The Israeli "Settlement" Myth And How Sinister It Is

[teddyearp]

Are Republicans and Democrats the same?

As a matter of fact, yes they are.

 

[Billo_Really]

FO&D


Israel did not give up "all" control in 2005. That is a lie.

 

[Billo_Really]

Again you ignore the hamas leadership that atates that gaza is not under occupation and has not been since August 2005. The UN being anti semitic does not see it this way.

You can't cherry-pick quotes out of context to prove the lies you tell. The occupation of Gaza never ended. They merely withdrew their troops from the immediate area, but still maintained effective control over the entire area ever since. That satisfy's the legal definition of an occupation.

 

[Billo_Really]

If they are Israeli citizens then they have full rights, unless you can link to an Israeli source that says otherwise ?

I don't give a shit about your personal feelings toward a particular website. That has nothing to do with the truth of falsehood of a claim, made at such website. So fuck you on that.

Now, as far as a link...

Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state
We do not have to identify the characteristics of South African apartheid in the civil rights discrimination in Israel in order to call Israel an apartheid state. It is best that we not try to evade the truth: The Citizenship Law's existence turns Israel into an apartheid state.

Back to you...

 

[CMike]

FO&D


Israel did not give up "all" control in 2005. That is a lie.

Not only did they give up control in Gaza, much to the shame of Israel it forcefully evicted Jews from their homes in that area.

 

[CMike]

If they are Israeli citizens then they have full rights, unless you can link to an Israeli source that says otherwise ?

I don't give a shit about your personal feelings toward a particular website. That has nothing to do with the truth of falsehood of a claim, made at such website. So fuck you on that.

Now, as far as a link...

Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state
We do not have to identify the characteristics of South African apartheid in the civil rights discrimination in Israel in order to call Israel an apartheid state. It is best that we not try to evade the truth: The Citizenship Law's existence turns Israel into an apartheid state.

Back to you...

Haaretz is a left wing newspaper. This is an editorial.

Unlike every other country in the middle east, Israel has a free press, so people have the legal right to write and publish stupid stuff.

 

[CMike]

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

PA still regards hamas as a terrorist group. Now they ahve called on the arab world to attack hamas.

Rather odd since Hamas is part of their government in the West Bank.

Obviously what you stated isn't true.

It is just as Abbas engineered a backlash to hamas when he put the grievance to the ICJ. He knew the outcome would be hamas being guilty of war crimes

I don't think the ICC would attack anyone but Israel.

 

[CMike]

Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories – UN report
30 September 2003 –
Israel is using excessive force in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT), violating human rights in the name of counter-terrorism, and its building of a “separation wall” and expansion of settlements bear the hallmarks of annexation and illegal “conquest,” according to a United Nations human rights report released today.
United Nations News Centre - Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories UN report

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

 

[CMike]

UN fails to help women in need from syria, sudan or a dozen other countries, but it blames Israel for conditions in gaza?
Hamas is the only one that can help the women in gaza, or make life harder for them.

Are you mad?

A population under occupation, cannot decide what life is for themselves, the occupiers make all the decisions.

If they don't like being under the Israeli government they can go home to their home country of Jordan.

However, they have a PA/Hamas government now that makes decisions for them.

 

[CMike]

Like these do you mean

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

The Avalon Project Hamas Covenant 1988

Hamas Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

A HRC 16 NGO 134 of 8 March 2011

Lets exclude Hamas, since they refuse to recognize Israel. Where the do the last to links specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism.

You can't exclude Hamas.

Hamas is the Gaza government, and they make up half the government in the West Bank.

I don't understand your question.

Also the Palestinian Authority is the same thing as Hamas except that the leader where's a tie and is more discreet about wanting to destroy all of Israel.

My question is specific to Phoenall's claim - so, I'd like to know it states: specifically say that the Jews will not be allowed to live in Palestine ( includes Israel by the way ) unless they are residents of Palestine from before the inception of Zionism

The PA is not the same as Hamas.

It's the same government.

Are Republicans and Democrats the same?

That's not the same. They have a coalition government.

It's not a two party system.

 

[Coyote]

UN fails to help women in need from syria, sudan or a dozen other countries, but it blames Israel for conditions in gaza?
Hamas is the only one that can help the women in gaza, or make life harder for them.

Are you mad?

A population under occupation, cannot decide what life is for themselves, the occupiers make all the decisions.

If they don't like being under the Israeli government they can go home to their home country of Jordan.

However, they have a PA/Hamas government now that makes decisions for them.

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

 

[Coyote]

Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories – UN report
30 September 2003 –
Israel is using excessive force in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT), violating human rights in the name of counter-terrorism, and its building of a “separation wall” and expansion of settlements bear the hallmarks of annexation and illegal “conquest,” according to a United Nations human rights report released today.
United Nations News Centre - Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories UN report

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

There is a disconnect here.

There is what FOX says: "top violator of women's rights around the world".

And there is what the UN report says, which isn't want FOX claims.

 

[teddyearp]

FO&D


Israel did not give up "all" control in 2005. That is a lie.

My Loony tunes smilies were in response to your claim that Israel and the US has drones flying everywhere.

 

[teddyearp]

The occupation of Gaza never ended. They merely withdrew their troops from the immediate area, but still maintained effective control over the entire area ever since. That satisfy's the legal definition of an occupation.

Maybe since you seem to like to cherry pick stuff, why not look for the distress that the Israeli's had when the IDF, YES THE FUCKING IDF, forcefully evicted them from Gaza in 2005. The Israeli's had just about made a garden of Eden out of the Gaza strip; look at it now.

Oh yeah, you're so ????????? you still lap up all the slop and blame everything on the Israelis. Do not dare look at what Hamas did to the strip, no don't dare.

Come on Bill, you are smarter than that.

 

[teddyearp]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

 

[Coyote]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

They lived in the area they live in now. Not in what is called "Jordan". If another country annexes your country -does that change your "home"? No.

 

[Billo_Really]

Not only did they give up control in Gaza, much to the shame of Israel it forcefully evicted Jews from their homes in that area.

They did not give up control. That is a lie.

Israel controls 80% of what goes in to (and out of) Gaza.

If they gave up control, then why can't Gazan's leave?

 

[Billo_Really]

Haaretz is a left wing newspaper. This is an editorial.

Unlike every other country in the middle east, Israel has a free press, so people have the legal right to write and publish stupid stuff.

So what are you saying, that the law doesn't exist?

 

[Billo_Really]

I don't think the ICC would attack anyone but Israel.

Israel should be attacked. They deserve to be attacked.

 

[Billo_Really]

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

This is not Jordan!