The Israeli "Settlement" Myth And How Sinister It Is

[aris2chat]

Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories – UN report
30 September 2003 –
Israel is using excessive force in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT), violating human rights in the name of counter-terrorism, and its building of a “separation wall” and expansion of settlements bear the hallmarks of annexation and illegal “conquest,” according to a United Nations human rights report released today.
United Nations News Centre - Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories UN report

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

There is a disconnect here.

There is what FOX says: "top violator of women's rights around the world".

And there is what the UN report says, which isn't want FOX claims.

17 pages of how palestinians women are victims, but Israel is named as responsible when it should be the PA and hamas. From education to health to violence against women........these are issues of the palestinians factions, sects and governing bodies, not Israelis that should make changes.

 

[Jroc]

FO&D


Israel did not give up "all" control in 2005. That is a lie.

Not only did they give up control in Gaza, much to the shame of Israel it forcefully evicted Jews from their homes in that area.

 

[Jroc]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

They lived in the area they live in now. Not in what is called "Jordan". If another country annexes your country -does that change your "home"? No.

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

They aren't. Since they are an invented people and the reason for their invention has to do with those pursuing the policy of Judenrein framing the conflict in such a way as to inverse the true social dynamics involved, if it wasn't one subset of Arabs created towards this end, it would be another.

These posters here who favor policies of Judenrein will resort to any ruse possible by way of masking their true intent, which is ultimately the destruction of the self determination of the Jewish people. By crafting these made-up groups of Arabs (who are far less distinct from other Arabs as are New Yorkers to Texans) they hope to frame the discussion as big bad Jews against some small group of Arabs instead of Arab supremacists persecuting Jews. The sooner these made-up groups are given control, the sooner they can embark upon the Judenfrei policies these posters seek.

 

[Coyote]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

They lived in the area they live in now. Not in what is called "Jordan". If another country annexes your country -does that change your "home"? No.

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

It has nothing to do with differences but what constitutes home.

 

[Coyote]

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

They aren't. Since they are an invented people and the reason for their invention has to do with those pursuing the policy of Judenrein framing the conflict in such a way as to inverse the true social dynamics involved, if it wasn't one subset of Arabs created towards this end, it would be another.

These posters here who favor policies of Judenrein will resort to any ruse possible by way of masking their true intent, which is ultimately the destruction of the self determination of the Jewish people. By crafting these made-up groups of Arabs (who are far less distinct from other Arabs as are New Yorkers to Texans) they hope to frame the discussion as big bad Jews against some small group of Arabs instead of Arab supremacists persecuting Jews. The sooner these made-up groups are given control, the sooner they can embark upon the Judenfrei policies these posters seek.

Who favors Judenrein?

 

[Coyote]

Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories – UN report
30 September 2003 –
Israel is using excessive force in the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT), violating human rights in the name of counter-terrorism, and its building of a “separation wall” and expansion of settlements bear the hallmarks of annexation and illegal “conquest,” according to a United Nations human rights report released today.
United Nations News Centre - Israel uses excessive force and annexation in Palestinian territories UN report

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

There is a disconnect here.

There is what FOX says: "top violator of women's rights around the world".

And there is what the UN report says, which isn't want FOX claims.

17 pages of how palestinians women are victims, but Israel is named as responsible when it should be the PA and hamas. From education to health to violence against women........these are issues of the palestinians factions, sects and governing bodies, not Israelis that should make changes.

Where did the UN claim that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world?

 

[irosie91]

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

There is a disconnect here.

There is what FOX says: "top violator of women's rights around the world".

And there is what the UN report says, which isn't want FOX claims.

17 pages of how palestinians women are victims, but Israel is named as responsible when it should be the PA and hamas. From education to health to violence against women........these are issues of the palestinians factions, sects and governing bodies, not Israelis that should make changes.

Where did the UN claim that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world?

must have been thrown in by the ambassador
from KHARTOUM (anyone here remember the movie----way back----I think in the 60s-------I was nauseated for two weeks) remember the MAHDI?---
If I remember correctly one of the signs of the MAHDI---
he got a space between his two front teeth----upper---
I wonder if the MAHDI in Iran got that orthodontic
problem. I had a space as a child----for awhile-----it closed itself ----I am not the MAHDI

 

[CMike]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

They lived in the area they live in now. Not in what is called "Jordan". If another country annexes your country -does that change your "home"? No.

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

It has nothing to do with differences but what constitutes home.

As far as I am concerned they are welcome to stay in Israel if they wish.

They need to take steps to become legal residents just like everyone else.

Otherwise they are free to return home to their palestinian state of Jordan.

 

[CMike]

BFD

The UN also claimed that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world despite women having full rights.

There was a woman prime minister, there are women as justices of the Supreme Court.

Let's compare this to the arab countries where women can't drive, vote, or even go out without a chaperone.

What the UN says is just vile hatred of Jews.

It's not an actual legitimate source.

I don't think they actually did say that - Fox said that.

The UN singled Israel out in regards to Palestinian women in on particular report: titled "Situation of and assistance to Palestinian women," Yemen, Saudi Arabia, all of those other countries have no bearing in regards to that. No where can I find anything claiming Israel is the number one violator of women in the world.

Top violator of women s rights around the world It s Israel says UN Fox News

E CN.6 2015 L.2 of 13 March 2015

Once again, not Syria, Iran, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, and all the other countries that truely don't give women rights, they only mention Israel.

There is a disconnect here.

There is what FOX says: "top violator of women's rights around the world".

And there is what the UN report says, which isn't want FOX claims.

17 pages of how palestinians women are victims, but Israel is named as responsible when it should be the PA and hamas. From education to health to violence against women........these are issues of the palestinians factions, sects and governing bodies, not Israelis that should make changes.

Where did the UN claim that Israel is the number one violator of women in the world?

The only violator of women's rights.

I posted the link from the UN.

 

[CMike]

Again you ignore the hamas leadership that atates that gaza is not under occupation and has not been since August 2005. The UN being anti semitic does not see it this way.

You can't cherry-pick quotes out of context to prove the lies you tell. The occupation of Gaza never ended. They merely withdrew their troops from the immediate area, but still maintained effective control over the entire area ever since. That satisfy's the legal definition of an occupation.

Like how?

 

[CMike]

UN fails to help women in need from syria, sudan or a dozen other countries, but it blames Israel for conditions in gaza?
Hamas is the only one that can help the women in gaza, or make life harder for them.

Are you mad?

A population under occupation, cannot decide what life is for themselves, the occupiers make all the decisions.

If they don't like being under the Israeli government they can go home to their home country of Jordan.

However, they have a PA/Hamas government now that makes decisions for them.

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Actually it is their home country.

After Jordan invaded israel, Jordan lost the west bank, thus the arabs still in that area are Jordanian.

BTW where were the calls for a "Palestinian State" when they were part of Jordan?

 

[CMike]

I don't think the ICC would attack anyone but Israel.

Israel should be attacked. They deserve to be attacked.

And here Israeli Arabs have the highest standard of living in the middle east.

Go figure!

 

[Billo_Really]

And here Israeli Arabs have the highest standard of living in the middle east.

Go figure!

Israeli Arabs are treated like 2nd class citizens.

 

[Billo_Really]

Actually it is their home country.

After Jordan invaded israel, Jordan lost the west bank, thus the arabs still in that area are Jordanian.

BTW where were the calls for a "Palestinian State" when they were part of Jordan?

No, it is not their home country.

And since the end of WWII, you cannot lose territory in a war.

 

[Billo_Really]

Like how?

What do you mean, "Like how?"?

If you "effectively control" an area, then you have not left it.

If Israel did end the occupation of Gaza in 2005, how come Gazans are not able to leave without Israeli permission?

 

[Billo_Really]

Shove that propaganda bullshit up your ass. Hamas did not "seize control", they were elected in a democratic election.

 

[CMike]

Like how?

What do you mean, "Like how?"?

If you "effectively control" an area, then you have not left it.

If Israel did end the occupation of Gaza in 2005, how come Gazans are not able to leave without Israeli permission?

They can leave to Egypt whenever they want. They share a border.

 

[CMike]

Actually it is their home country.

After Jordan invaded israel, Jordan lost the west bank, thus the arabs still in that area are Jordanian.

BTW where were the calls for a "Palestinian State" when they were part of Jordan?

No, it is not their home country.

And since the end of WWII, you cannot lose territory in a war.

In almost every war territory is either won or lost.

In any case the territory belonged to either Jordan or Egypt. There never was an independent muslim palestinian state.

 

[aris2chat]

Jordan isn't their "home country". These are people that have lived there for generations.

Jordan was their home country right after the 1948 war. Or did you forget? Oh yeah, no mention of how Jordan "occupied" the West Bank and annexed it into their country; or at least we do not dare mention it now.

They lived in the area they live in now. Not in what is called "Jordan". If another country annexes your country -does that change your "home"? No.

Who's they? The Arabs who live in Jordan are different than the Arabs who live in Jordan? How so?

It has nothing to do with differences but what constitutes home.

If you are born on a military base, is that your home or where ever you and your family happening to be at any one time?
If you are born in a hotel or apartment, is that home? Even if you were only there a few days, weeks or months?
If someone is working in saudi but their parents are american, is saudi home? Is america? What state, what town?
If someone is a migrant farmer, or seasonal farm worker, is the farm(s) their family work home? Which one?
If you live in a refugee camp and have never been to what ever farm your family might have lived on 50+ yrs ago, is the camp or the farm home?
If your parents or grandparents were born and lived in egypt till seeking work in the mandate, is the mandate your home or egypt, or the country where what ever camp you were born and lived in was located?
If you or your family did not have a legal deed to land, would any of the places you lived or worked your's to damand a right of return? Why should you be allowed into the country let along to the home/hut,apartment your family was located while working there?

Arab/palestinians of the mandate or post mandate identified by tribe, as arab, some even as syrian, egyptian or jordanian, but palestinian was a foreign name of a region in the levant where the mandate governed, be it french or english mandate. only at the end of the mandate were people/refugees who had lived and worked for a minimum of two years allowed to use the name palestinian for lack of any single identity. It was expediant for the UN ho needed a reason for so many refugees and how to handle the situation. It was not because they had a home or had lived generation in the same place in the land they had left.
When egypt and jordan controled G and the WB, why did they not create a state for the palestinians or close the camps and place them in homes there? Why did the palestinians attempt a coup in jordan when the king offered to give them jordanian citizenship, the only place many had ever known. Why would he offer Arafat the position of PM?

Palestinians are a fabrication, a meld of many groups and faith who's origins span europe and the middle east. They did not have a shared culture, history or religion. They had not had a state or government for themselves as palestinians. They barely share arabic as common language, with several dialects. For some, they did not even share arabic as a first language, but rather used it in a limited way for shopping and as a street language. French, english, syriac, greek, russian, farci, turkic, armenian, kurdish were all spoken by various groups.

For a people or a state there is a need to have been some commonality that united them all. Palestinians did not have that when the mandate ended. Those that left at the urging of the arab state that were about to attack, their status as refugees became their commonality. That is all they had or have. The refugee did not even all come from what is now Israel. They came from the WB and G as well before they left. They did not all leave at the same time, they left in phases and moved from town or camp over time and as the political situation changed.

Some that left has sold their land, others had never owned land, still other might have turned over their property (rented, allowed to use or registered with/without paying taxes) to church, mosque or to someone else that did not leave. There is not one story or group that was historically known as palestinian.




Just because palestinians might have lived and worked in the mandate, it does not make any place therein home.