The internet should have tighter controls..right? Only one hour a day with government permission.

[Nosmo King]

What problem are you seeking to solve? Has someone taken the internet into an elementary school and killed dozens of children? Did someone taketheinternetto a church and wipeoutworshipersthere? Did someone take the Internet into a crowded movie theater and start posting indiscriminately? Maybe someone had the Internet in a night club and posted so much 49 people were left dead.

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.......

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.....

Those shooters probably had drivers licenses, wore blue jeans, ate pizza, drank Coca Cola, used a credit card, wore sneakers, owned pets, shopped in supermarkets, enjoyed a sunny day, celebrated holidays, swam, threw a Frisbee, watched television, used a telephone, and scores of other every day activities. Should all that be banned as dangerous as a computer? Did they bash their victims heads in with a smart phone?

You're stretching a thread further than it can bear sense. Computers are not guns. No one every had a computer discharge and result in a death or two or 49.

Your analogy falls under the weight of poorly conceived logic.

 

[Dekster]

Yep that does not work for me. Each state should be able to determine what their internet laws are with no federal authority over it whatsoever under the pretense of some fictional "right".

see, that doesn't work......computer criminals in Chicago will simply go to Indiana to get their computers and internet equipment.......we need a federal law, and registration of computer users.......a national data base before you are allowed access.....

Trust me...I support the 1st Amendment, and even own a computer myself...I don't want to ban computers, I just want common sense computer and internet laws....

no one needs more than 1 hour of internet access a day......except for cops, soldiers and government officials.......

Then Indiana needs to build a giant wall to keep Chicago internet bandits out. I hear they are the latest trends in fool-proof border control.

No...we need common sense computer and internet laws...that is the only way....we also need to limit access to high speed internet....only criminals need that.......normal people do not need to speed through the internet.........

Dial up modums are more than enough for the one hour a day access that law abiding citizens will have...

again....I own computers..I am not against them.....I believe in the 1st Amendment...but no Right is unlimited.....you can't yell fire in a crowded theater...so we just need common sense computer laws.........

Microsoft, and Apple, the computer lobby own the politicians and actively want criminals to have access to computers....we need to stop these terrorist groups that have allowed sex traffickers, identity thieves, terrorists, and their sympathizers, and cyber bullies to get their hands on high tech, high speed computers that endanger the public.....

It would take my daily alotment of dial up time just to connect to the Federal Insurance Exchange site I would imagine. That is a non-starter. Government sites at least should be unrestricted. Civilian sites can be regulated.

The internet was obviously built just for the government....civilians do not need high speed access....you can do your correspondence with the Federal Postal Service......

So...do you see your computer as an extension of your penis? Is that why you don't support common sense computer laws?

Ok. Ok. Sure. Yes. No.

 

[Divine Wind]

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

If you are correct, then you should also say the LW ideology to ban guns, restrict honest, law-biding citizens or other restrictions on an enumerated right are equally flawed.

The bottom line here is that the LW fetish to ban guns will not cure mental illness nor stop gang violence. The gun laws we have now are sufficient; it's a matter of enforcing those laws, not enacting new laws. Focus on helping the mentally ill and solving the problem of inner city gang violence if you truly want to save lives.

 

[HenryBHough]

So....to control the nastiness on the internet...since people are so irresponsible...and need government control to make them responsible....here is how we handle the internet....

1) you must register your name and electronic devices with the government.

2) you must pay a fee and get a license to use the internet...failure to do so will revoke your internet priveldges for life.

3) you must go through training on how to use the internet...to make sure you only access legitimate sites and stay away from the illegal ones....

4) you must take mandatory classes on libel and slander laws before you are allowed to access the internet..failure to do so will ban you for life....with fines and possible prison sentences.

5) you will be allowed one hour of internet access a day....no one needs more than an hour a day besides criminals...so no more than an hour will be allowed.

6) you must undergo a background check before you are allowed access to the internet....this way various criminals.....sex traffickers, cyber bullies, terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, identity theives can be found and kept from using computers.......

7) to better control criminal behavior on the internet....internet access will only be allowed in government approved sites, libraries, public schools and other sites deemed acceptable by federal authoritites...

8) All sales of computer and internet equipment and software will require a background check.....to prevent criminals from buying this important equipment....

9) High speed internet access will be prohibited...since only criminals need it to commit crimes.....dial up modums are all normal people need for the internet...

Since the Founding Fathers could never have anticipated computers or the internet, there is no Constitutional issue with these provisions...

So....with these provisions I feel that if we stop one computer crime...our goal is achieved.........Big Brother appreciates your cooperation...

Goddamnit!

Didn't you read the caution not to release The Democrat Platform key positions before the election?

Turn in your party decoder ring IMMEDIFUCKINGTELY,

 

[Nosmo King]

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

If you are correct, then you should also say the LW ideology to ban guns, restrict honest, law-biding citizens or other restrictions on an enumerated right are equally flawed.

The bottom line here is that the LW fetish to ban guns will not cure mental illness nor stop gang violence. The gun laws we have now are sufficient; it's a matter of enforcing those laws, not enacting new laws. Focus on helping the mentally ill and solving the problem of inner city gang violence if you truly want to save lives.

Then let's take the reigns off of the ATF!

 

[Divine Wind]

Then let's take the reigns off of the ATF!

In what way? To allow Nanny Staters to violate the rights of law-abiding citizens? Street executions of gang-bangers? What are you trying to say here?

 

[2aguy]

What problem are you seeking to solve? Has someone taken the internet into an elementary school and killed dozens of children? Did someone taketheinternetto a church and wipeoutworshipersthere? Did someone take the Internet into a crowded movie theater and start posting indiscriminately? Maybe someone had the Internet in a night club and posted so much 49 people were left dead.

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.......

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.....

Those shooters probably had drivers licenses, wore blue jeans, ate pizza, drank Coca Cola, used a credit card, wore sneakers, owned pets, shopped in supermarkets, enjoyed a sunny day, celebrated holidays, swam, threw a Frisbee, watched television, used a telephone, and scores of other every day activities. Should all that be banned as dangerous as a computer? Did they bash their victims heads in with a smart phone?

You're stretching a thread further than it can bear sense. Computers are not guns. No one every had a computer discharge and result in a death or two or 49.

Your analogy falls under the weight of poorly conceived logic.

 

[2aguy]

What problem are you seeking to solve? Has someone taken the internet into an elementary school and killed dozens of children? Did someone taketheinternetto a church and wipeoutworshipersthere? Did someone take the Internet into a crowded movie theater and start posting indiscriminately? Maybe someone had the Internet in a night club and posted so much 49 people were left dead.

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.......

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.....

Those shooters probably had drivers licenses, wore blue jeans, ate pizza, drank Coca Cola, used a credit card, wore sneakers, owned pets, shopped in supermarkets, enjoyed a sunny day, celebrated holidays, swam, threw a Frisbee, watched television, used a telephone, and scores of other every day activities. Should all that be banned as dangerous as a computer? Did they bash their victims heads in with a smart phone?

You're stretching a thread further than it can bear sense. Computers are not guns. No one every had a computer discharge and result in a death or two or 49.

Your analogy falls under the weight of poorly conceived logic.

Wrong..every radicalized American terrorist visited jihadi websites...every single mass shooter used the computer to research mass shootings, plan their attacks and many used the Internet to brag about what they planned to do...the sandy hook shooter had a spread sheet 6' by 8' on mass shootings...terrorists move their money by computer...identity thieves use computers....

If these people had to use books and news papers it would have slowed them down.....if limiting access to the Internet saves one life it is worth it...........only criminals and mass shooters and terrorists need unlimited access to the Internet...and if they all had to use public internet access points...and we ended private computer ownership, it would make it harder for these killers to do what they do......

I can't believe that you are supporting the computer death industry.......are you being paid by Microsoft and Apple to push their blood and death machines?

 

[2aguy]

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

If you are correct, then you should also say the LW ideology to ban guns, restrict honest, law-biding citizens or other restrictions on an enumerated right are equally flawed.

The bottom line here is that the LW fetish to ban guns will not cure mental illness nor stop gang violence. The gun laws we have now are sufficient; it's a matter of enforcing those laws, not enacting new laws. Focus on helping the mentally ill and solving the problem of inner city gang violence if you truly want to save lives.

Then let's take the reigns off of the ATF!

We don't need the ATF..we need local and state prosecutors and judges to take gun criminals seriously.....for some fucking reason they still don't...they see no connection between violent Felons picked up on illegal gun possession, letting them out on bail and then giving them reduced sentences...and then these same people go out and comittimg murder.......often with multiple illegal gun arrests and repeated light sentences

We don't need the ATF....we need prosecutions and long sentences.......

I posted a story of a straw buyer....who gave a gun to a known felon who used that gun to kill a police officer....that straw buyer got 1 year probation and 40 hours of community service..fix that...leave law abiding gun owners alone.

 

[HUGGY]

So....to control the nastiness on the internet...since people are so irresponsible...and need government control to make them responsible....here is how we handle the internet....

1) you must register your name and electronic devices with the government.

2) you must pay a fee and get a license to use the internet...failure to do so will revoke your internet priveldges for life.

3) you must go through training on how to use the internet...to make sure you only access legitimate sites and stay away from the illegal ones....

4) you must take mandatory classes on libel and slander laws before you are allowed to access the internet..failure to do so will ban you for life....with fines and possible prison sentences.

5) you will be allowed one hour of internet access a day....no one needs more than an hour a day besides criminals...so no more than an hour will be allowed.

6) you must undergo a background check before you are allowed access to the internet....this way various criminals.....sex traffickers, cyber bullies, terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, identity theives can be found and kept from using computers.......

7) to better control criminal behavior on the internet....internet access will only be allowed in government approved sites, libraries, public schools and other sites deemed acceptable by federal authoritites...

8) All sales of computer and internet equipment and software will require a background check.....to prevent criminals from buying this important equipment....

9) High speed internet access will be prohibited...since only criminals need it to commit crimes.....dial up modums are all normal people need for the internet...

Since the Founding Fathers could never have anticipated computers or the internet, there is no Constitutional issue with these provisions...

So....with these provisions I feel that if we stop one computer crime...our goal is achieved.........Big Brother appreciates your cooperation...

Ah!! I see you would like to have us model our society after North Korea's. Good thinking!

 

[longknife]

2aguy you forgot to tell us that all of this is to be determined by the Trilateral Commission as directed by George Soros. He, in turn, is being controlled by beings from an advanced society based on Mars.

Thanks so much for the laughs.

 

[Nosmo King]

Then let's take the reigns off of the ATF!

In what way? To allow Nanny Staters to violate the rights of law-abiding citizens? Street executions of gang-bangers? What are you trying to say here?

I'm saying that the ATF...get ready for it...ENFORCES GUN LAWS!!!!

You say we don't need new laws!?!? Okay! You say enforce the laws on the books? Okay! Let the ATF gert fully funded, fully staffed, let them get a computer data base from which to work.

But if all you want to cry about is some crappy nanny state argument, realize that without adequate enforcement of the laws, we will continue to suffer chaotic gun crimes.

 

[Nosmo King]

What problem are you seeking to solve? Has someone taken the internet into an elementary school and killed dozens of children? Did someone taketheinternetto a church and wipeoutworshipersthere? Did someone take the Internet into a crowded movie theater and start posting indiscriminately? Maybe someone had the Internet in a night club and posted so much 49 people were left dead.

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.......

all of the shooters of children used computers to research and plan their attacks......the muslim terrorists used computers to plan and organize and to get radicalized....and the black cop killers......saw anti cop propaganda from black lies matter on the internet......

We just want to make it harder for these killers to use computers to engage in mass murder, sex slavery, child porn, identity theft, terrorism, terrorist support, stealing national secrets.....

the computer death industry has blood on it's hands...

you simply support the computer death industry.....you suck up the propaganda of Microsoft, and Apple as they push their computers for criminals and don't care when computers are used to kill children........

Every single mass public shooter had internet access and used computers to plan and organize their attacks......and you don't care......it is more important that you have your electric penis than to save the lives of those victims.....


I support the 1st Amendment....I even own computers......but the Founding Fathers could never have concieved of these death devices and would have never allowed them in this country if they had known.....

Those shooters probably had drivers licenses, wore blue jeans, ate pizza, drank Coca Cola, used a credit card, wore sneakers, owned pets, shopped in supermarkets, enjoyed a sunny day, celebrated holidays, swam, threw a Frisbee, watched television, used a telephone, and scores of other every day activities. Should all that be banned as dangerous as a computer? Did they bash their victims heads in with a smart phone?

You're stretching a thread further than it can bear sense. Computers are not guns. No one every had a computer discharge and result in a death or two or 49.

Your analogy falls under the weight of poorly conceived logic.

Wrong..every radicalized American terrorist visited jihadi websites...every single mass shooter used the computer to research mass shootings, plan their attacks and many used the Internet to brag about what they planned to do...the sandy hook shooter had a spread sheet 6' by 8' on mass shootings...terrorists move their money by computer...identity thieves use computers....

If these people had to use books and news papers it would have slowed them down.....if limiting access to the Internet saves one life it is worth it...........only criminals and mass shooters and terrorists need unlimited access to the Internet...and if they all had to use public internet access points...and we ended private computer ownership, it would make it harder for these killers to do what they do......

I can't believe that you are supporting the computer death industry.......are you being paid by Microsoft and Apple to push their blood and death machines?

Does this line of 'thinking' extend to automobile deaths? Every death by automobile involved an automobile. Loosen the tin foil and think about that!

 

[Nosmo King]

Your flimsy analogy falls flat on its face.

If you are correct, then you should also say the LW ideology to ban guns, restrict honest, law-biding citizens or other restrictions on an enumerated right are equally flawed.

The bottom line here is that the LW fetish to ban guns will not cure mental illness nor stop gang violence. The gun laws we have now are sufficient; it's a matter of enforcing those laws, not enacting new laws. Focus on helping the mentally ill and solving the problem of inner city gang violence if you truly want to save lives.

Then let's take the reigns off of the ATF!

We don't need the ATF..we need local and state prosecutors and judges to take gun criminals seriously.....for some fucking reason they still don't...they see no connection between violent Felons picked up on illegal gun possession, letting them out on bail and then giving them reduced sentences...and then these same people go out and comittimg murder.......often with multiple illegal gun arrests and repeated light sentences

We don't need the ATF....we need prosecutions and long sentences.......

I posted a story of a straw buyer....who gave a gun to a known felon who used that gun to kill a police officer....that straw buyer got 1 year probation and 40 hours of community service..fix that...leave law abiding gun owners alone.

What do you imagine does the ATF do?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Okay....but there are people trying to create alt internets that address some of the ad/hate/trolling issues people have

Dark web - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nosmo King]

So, ammosexuals, you claim to want current gun laws enforced in lieu of tougher common sense gun laws, but yet you don't want to fully fund, fully staff, upgrade and modernize the ATF, which enforces gun laws.

Cake? Eat it too?

Apparently you want no gun laws and the cry havoc and loose the dogs of war. Grand plan that!

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm saying that the ATF...get ready for it...ENFORCES GUN LAWS!!!!

You say we don't need new laws!?!? Okay! You say enforce the laws on the books? Okay! Let the ATF gert fully funded, fully staffed, let them get a computer data base from which to work.

But if all you want to cry about is some crappy nanny state argument, realize that without adequate enforcement of the laws, we will continue to suffer chaotic gun crimes.

I'm good with that, but doesn't local and state also enforce gun laws? That's my point. It's not just the ATF.

To advance your own point, if we don't properly fund and support our present laws, what kind of fucking moron thinks passing more laws will make things all better? Got any guesses, NK?

 

[Nosmo King]

I'm saying that the ATF...get ready for it...ENFORCES GUN LAWS!!!!

You say we don't need new laws!?!? Okay! You say enforce the laws on the books? Okay! Let the ATF gert fully funded, fully staffed, let them get a computer data base from which to work.

But if all you want to cry about is some crappy nanny state argument, realize that without adequate enforcement of the laws, we will continue to suffer chaotic gun crimes.

I'm good with that, but doesn't local and state also enforce gun laws? That's my point. It's not just the ATF.

To advance your own point, if we don't properly fund and support our present laws, what kind of fucking moron thinks passing more laws will make things all better? Got any guesses, NK?

The ATF can investigate those who commit infractions on a national basis, not just state or local infractions. The ATF should have the resources it needs to do its job more effectively.

 

[Divine Wind]

The ATF can investigate those who commit infractions on a national basis, not just state or local infractions. The ATF should have the resources it needs to do its job more effectively.

Ever read the ATF's mission? How about the Constitution? I have a copy. You can read mine. ...or just read it online:

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

U.S. Constitution



Oh yeah, since you don't seem to know: Organization, Mission and Functions Manual: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives | DOJ | Department of Justice

 

[Nosmo King]

The ATF can investigate those who commit infractions on a national basis, not just state or local infractions. The ATF should have the resources it needs to do its job more effectively.

Ever read the ATF's mission? How about the Constitution? I have a copy. You can read mine. ...or just read it online:

Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

U.S. Constitution



Oh yeah, since you don't seem to know: Organization, Mission and Functions Manual: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives | DOJ | Department of Justice

The major functions of ATF are to:

• Reduce the risk to public safety caused by illegal firearms trafficking.
  
• Reduce the risk to public safety caused by criminal possession and use of firearms.
  
• Reduce the risk to public safety caused by criminal organizations and gangs.
  
• Improve public safety by increasing compliance with Federal laws and regulations by firearms industry members.
  
• Reduce the risk to public safety caused by bombs and explosives.
  
• Reduce the risk to public safety caused by criminal use of fire.
  
• Improve public safety by increasing compliance with Federal laws and regulations by explosives industry members.
  
• Reduce the loss of tax revenues caused by contraband alcohol and tobacco trafficking.

What in this list subverts the constitution?