The Injustice of Obama raising the capital gains tax

[teapartysamurai]

How is it NEW income if it really is just inflated dollars.

Obviously didn't watch the video or it couldn't permeate your closed leftist mind.

But if you invest 5,000 dollars in 2000, sell it for 6,000 dollars in 2010, but with inflation you really lost money, then a capital gains tax is taking more than 100% of that, isn't it?

Why am I not surprised you can't see that.

You do know that the top 1% also control the price point which in turn causes inflation. Then charge more money to make more profits on products we need. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing rapidly. 1 in 7 people is in poverty. 1 in 7!!! Thats ridiculous in the "greatest country in the world"

Right now, our country isn't great anymore. It once was but since Reagan, it has gone downhill thanks to the republicans. The average wage has stayed the same, yet CEO pay increased 550X!!! WTF?

And you really making the case that these greedy heartless bastards don't want to make money? Investment doesn't create jobs as you can see. The DOW and Nasdaq are already bouncing back, but unemployment is still high. The fact that you sit there and defend people that would kill you to gain more profits is scary. These people are not to be trusted AT ALL.

Tax Capital Gains and use it to create jobs for the people. The people run this show, not the top 1%.

That's a nice thought, but who do think has more influence on policy makers in DC, us regular folk or the CEO of a top corporation?

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is your liberal socialist letting their true agenda out.

"It's a nice thought."

Doesn't matter THAT IT'S PRETTY DAMN OBVIOUS IT DOESN'T WORK. It doesn't matter, it's a nice thought.

You guys notice Greece lately?

 

[KissMy]

How is new income being taxed "double taxation"?

How about trading in that double taxation for unlimited liability?

Yeah, didn't think so.

How is it NEW income if it really is just inflated dollars.

Obviously didn't watch the video or it couldn't permeate your closed leftist mind.

But if you invest 5,000 dollars in 2000, sell it for 6,000 dollars in 2010, but with inflation you really lost money, then a capital gains tax is taking more than 100% of that, isn't it?

Why am I not surprised you can't see that.

You do know that the top 1% also control the price point which in turn causes inflation. Then charge more money to make more profits on products we need. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing rapidly. 1 in 7 people is in poverty. 1 in 7!!! Thats ridiculous in the "greatest country in the world"

Right now, our country isn't great anymore. It once was but since Reagan, it has gone downhill thanks to the republicans. The average wage has stayed the same, yet CEO pay increased 550X!!! WTF?

And you really making the case that these greedy heartless bastards don't want to make money? Investment doesn't create jobs as you can see. The DOW and Nasdaq are already bouncing back, but unemployment is still high. The fact that you sit there and defend people that would kill you to gain more profits is scary. These people are not to be trusted AT ALL.

Tax Capital Gains and use it to create jobs for the people. The people run this show, not the top 1%.

There are over a dozen new taxes on the average person & the poor from that health-care bill that gives you nothing. Now you want to raise more taxes on us for what? This is not a tax on the rich. It is a tax on everyone who saves money & does not live off the government.

The average saver makes less than the inflation rate on investments so this taxes their declining savings as well. Indexing the capital gains tax to the true rate of inflation would prevent this abusive tax from most Americans saving for retirement. They should also exempt the first $100k above inflation rates to prevent double taxing these savers & small business. The rich bankers, investors & broker dealers who make more than $100k on stocks, bonds, commodities arbitrage are the ones who need to pay this tax.

The regular working class of savers who live within their means & don't screw the system need to be left alone.

 

[teapartysamurai]

How is it NEW income if it really is just inflated dollars.

Obviously didn't watch the video or it couldn't permeate your closed leftist mind.

But if you invest 5,000 dollars in 2000, sell it for 6,000 dollars in 2010, but with inflation you really lost money, then a capital gains tax is taking more than 100% of that, isn't it?

Why am I not surprised you can't see that.

You do know that the top 1% also control the price point which in turn causes inflation. Then charge more money to make more profits on products we need. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing rapidly. 1 in 7 people is in poverty. 1 in 7!!! Thats ridiculous in the "greatest country in the world"

Right now, our country isn't great anymore. It once was but since Reagan, it has gone downhill thanks to the republicans. The average wage has stayed the same, yet CEO pay increased 550X!!! WTF?

And you really making the case that these greedy heartless bastards don't want to make money? Investment doesn't create jobs as you can see. The DOW and Nasdaq are already bouncing back, but unemployment is still high. The fact that you sit there and defend people that would kill you to gain more profits is scary. These people are not to be trusted AT ALL.

Tax Capital Gains and use it to create jobs for the people. The people run this show, not the top 1%.

There are over a dozen new taxes on the average person & the poor from that health-care bill that gives you nothing. Now you want to raise more taxes on us for what? This is not a tax on the rich. It is a tax on everyone who saves money & does not live off the government.

The average saver makes less than the inflation rate on investments so this taxes their declining savings as well. Indexing the capital gains tax to the true rate of inflation would prevent this abusive tax from most Americans saving for retirement. They should also exempt the first $100k above inflation rates to prevent double taxing these savers & small business. The rich bankers, investors & broker dealers who make more than $100k on stocks, bonds, commodities arbitrage are the ones who need to pay this tax.

The regular working class of savers who live within their means & don't screw the system need to be left alone.

That's the dirty secret.

Since time in memorium liberals have hidden the talk about taxes in the sheep's clothing that they are only going to tax the rich.

But the dirty secret is it hits the middle class the hardest.

Whether it hits them directly by the taxes they pay on their investments and savings, OR losing jobs, because the higher earners stop spending, it hurts the economy and it hurts the middle class the hardest.

Democrats in government know this. They don't care. Taxes to them are about keeping us dependent upon government. The more money we have, the less power they have over us, and THAT is what it is all about.

Hence, the new quote in my sig line.

 

[JFK_USA]

How is it NEW income if it really is just inflated dollars.

Obviously didn't watch the video or it couldn't permeate your closed leftist mind.

But if you invest 5,000 dollars in 2000, sell it for 6,000 dollars in 2010, but with inflation you really lost money, then a capital gains tax is taking more than 100% of that, isn't it?

Why am I not surprised you can't see that.

You do know that the top 1% also control the price point which in turn causes inflation. Then charge more money to make more profits on products we need. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing rapidly. 1 in 7 people is in poverty. 1 in 7!!! Thats ridiculous in the "greatest country in the world"

Right now, our country isn't great anymore. It once was but since Reagan, it has gone downhill thanks to the republicans. The average wage has stayed the same, yet CEO pay increased 550X!!! WTF?

And you really making the case that these greedy heartless bastards don't want to make money? Investment doesn't create jobs as you can see. The DOW and Nasdaq are already bouncing back, but unemployment is still high. The fact that you sit there and defend people that would kill you to gain more profits is scary. These people are not to be trusted AT ALL.

Tax Capital Gains and use it to create jobs for the people. The people run this show, not the top 1%.

That's a nice thought, but who do think has more influence on policy makers in DC, us regular folk or the CEO of a top corporation?

Thats the point I try to get across. Many of us feel disenchanted with the government and we don't care. I mean instead of compromising, polls show now that politicians should stick to their guns. Its pathetic. A house divided cannot stand. Remember that quote from a REPUBLICAN.

Here is an example.

"I believe that insurance companies should not be able to drop a customer as soon as they get sick."

Now that seems reasonable. But Republicans paint it as a communist plot. Why? Because you should be protected and actually receive care that you paid for in advance. They use fear to screw americans and republicans don't care unless it affects them.

Them demonize Unions. You know, the organization that makes employers pay you a livable wage, to actually have a middle class, and to have social mobility. "Well the market should determine your pay." THEY ARE THE MARKET. They would pay you nothing if they could get away with it.

The Union isn't perfect, I get that. But no unions at all is dangerous and hurts america and leds us down the path of becoming a third world country.

 

[Care4all]

samurai....

in 2000 you had $5000 to spare after all of your bills.

AND in 2000 your neighbor also had $5000 to spare.

you invested your money in stock, and sold it, giving you $6000 on the sale, a $1000 increase on your $5000.

your neighbor took his $5000 and put it in a safety deposit box, and took it out in 2010, and obviously had no increase on that $5000....so he had the original $5k....he owes no taxes on it, because he had already paid taxes on the $5k....

you are saying the neighbor's $5k is really only worth +/-$4k in 2010....due to inflation....

does your neighbor get to write off a capital LOSS for the $1000 bucks LESS his money is now worth?

NO, HE CAN NOT....

No, he can't, but what is your point?

That "fairness" demand the investor lose money as well?

I don't get you.

my point is that you are trying to PLAY tax FAVORITES, giving a break to one, while not the other samurai....

 

[8537]

I want YOU to explain WHY taxing people is so damn important regardless of the "vehicle."

Because taxing people is how we raise money so that we can, among other things, build highways, pay police officers and fund bullshit wars half way across the world.

 

[Mr Natural]

Because taxing people is how we raise money so that we can, among other things, build highways, pay police officers and fund bullshit wars half way across the world.

It's almost as if taxes are a new thing.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You do know that the top 1% also control the price point which in turn causes inflation. Then charge more money to make more profits on products we need. The gap between the rich and the poor is growing rapidly. 1 in 7 people is in poverty. 1 in 7!!! Thats ridiculous in the "greatest country in the world"

Right now, our country isn't great anymore. It once was but since Reagan, it has gone downhill thanks to the republicans. The average wage has stayed the same, yet CEO pay increased 550X!!! WTF?

And you really making the case that these greedy heartless bastards don't want to make money? Investment doesn't create jobs as you can see. The DOW and Nasdaq are already bouncing back, but unemployment is still high. The fact that you sit there and defend people that would kill you to gain more profits is scary. These people are not to be trusted AT ALL.

Tax Capital Gains and use it to create jobs for the people. The people run this show, not the top 1%.

That's a nice thought, but who do think has more influence on policy makers in DC, us regular folk or the CEO of a top corporation?

Thats the point I try to get across. Many of us feel disenchanted with the government and we don't care. I mean instead of compromising, polls show now that politicians should stick to their guns. Its pathetic. A house divided cannot stand. Remember that quote from a REPUBLICAN.

Here is an example.

"I believe that insurance companies should not be able to drop a customer as soon as they get sick."

Now that seems reasonable. But Republicans paint it as a communist plot. Why? Because you should be protected and actually receive care that you paid for in advance. They use fear to screw americans and republicans don't care unless it affects them.

Them demonize Unions. You know, the organization that makes employers pay you a livable wage, to actually have a middle class, and to have social mobility. "Well the market should determine your pay." THEY ARE THE MARKET. They would pay you nothing if they could get away with it.

The Union isn't perfect, I get that. But no unions at all is dangerous and hurts america and leds us down the path of becoming a third world country.

The only problem is, like all liberals you ignore the obvious alternatives which became clear this week.

You can't drop children with pre-existing conditions, so insurance companies, this week, dropped ALL CHILDREN only policies.

Now, liberals will cry it's an example of greedy companies, because they are so brain dead stupid about how companies make money.

They aren't charities. They are there to make a . . (cover your ears liberals, I know this will shock you) PROFIT!

They don't get this was DELIBERATE by the Obama health care bill. They want to make it so impossible for insurance companies to make a profit, they will all fold or drop people, they will have no choice.

Thus your ONLY alternative is the government.

Obama says he wants a single payer system. He can't have that if insurance companies still function.

 

[teapartysamurai]

samurai....

in 2000 you had $5000 to spare after all of your bills.

AND in 2000 your neighbor also had $5000 to spare.

you invested your money in stock, and sold it, giving you $6000 on the sale, a $1000 increase on your $5000.

your neighbor took his $5000 and put it in a safety deposit box, and took it out in 2010, and obviously had no increase on that $5000....so he had the original $5k....he owes no taxes on it, because he had already paid taxes on the $5k....

you are saying the neighbor's $5k is really only worth +/-$4k in 2010....due to inflation....

does your neighbor get to write off a capital LOSS for the $1000 bucks LESS his money is now worth?

NO, HE CAN NOT....

No, he can't, but what is your point?

That "fairness" demand the investor lose money as well?

I don't get you.

my point is that you are trying to PLAY tax FAVORITES, giving a break to one, while not the other samurai....

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Because taxing people is how we raise money so that we can, among other things, build highways, pay police officers and fund bullshit wars half way across the world.

I hate to break it to you but we are BROKE. If you took all the money from that 1% you think is so greedy, we couldn't pay the deficit, especially as much as Obama has added to it.

Does anyone remember that Bush cut the deficit in half? Of course you don't. That isn't part of the template.

But Obama spent more in his first four months than Bush spent on seven YEARS of war, but what is the template? It's all because of those eeeeeeeeevil wars.

You want to talk about wars we need to pay for. The war on poverty isn't paid. Welfare isn't paid. Obama's healthcare SURE AS HELL ISN'T PAID. And you want to bitch about war?

When was the last time a liberal worried if some etitlement was paid for?

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's almost as if taxes are a new thing.

How about the "new thing" that the money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the people that earned it. How about that?

 

[8537]

I hate to break it to you but we are BROKE.

That's what you get for 8 straight years of tax cuts and increased spending for wars, new unfunded 1.2T welfare programs, increased farm subsidies during a growing economy.

Does anyone remember that Bush cut the deficit in half? Of course you don't. That isn't part of the template.

Huh? Bush's first year in office saw a 55B on-budget surplus. His last year in office had a several hundred billion dollar deficit and his last budget had a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.

But Obama spent more in his first four months than Bush spent on seven YEARS of war,

Huh? Obama spent more in four months than Bush did in eight years? Let's hear about that.

You want to talk about wars we need to pay for. The war on poverty isn't paid. Welfare isn't paid. Obama's healthcare SURE AS HELL ISN'T PAID. And you want to bitch about war?

THe new healthcare reform bill is deficit neutral. The war on poverty was paid for for decades until Reagan and then Bush 2 created structural budget deficits.

You should really do some rudimentary level of research before posting random smilies.

 

[snjmom]

How about the "new thing" that the money doesn't belong to the government, it belongs to the people that earned it. How about that?

Well, that is a pretty "new" thing. Cause previously the government just claimed everything and killed ya if you squawked.

 

[Care4all]

No, he can't, but what is your point?

That "fairness" demand the investor lose money as well?

I don't get you.

my point is that you are trying to PLAY tax FAVORITES, giving a break to one, while not the other samurai....

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

what i see is you and others wanting to take the tax burden off of the wealthiest and put it on to the middle class's shoulders.

who's gonna pay taxes in the end if you eliminate the capital gains tax and eliminate the corporate income tax? who is gonna pay our debt that's accumilated over the years or just the $300 billion yearly interest payment on it, if YOU get YOUR way???

GUESS WHO???

us, the middle class will have to pay for it....

AND THAT SUCKS.....samurai.

Especially when these people like Buffet or Gates or Hilton, or Heinz who make a living off of their CAPITAL GAINS and not salary, will be paying NOTHING to the IRS....while we took the social security surplus monies collected from the WORKER who pays them and GAVE THEM to the ilks of the above for the most part, in tax breaks instead of the very people who paid the SS taxes and created the SS surplus.

you are dicking yourself and you don't even know it samurai, all for the sake of political posturing....very sad imho!

get a grip on what you are supporting

 

[teapartysamurai]

That's what you get for 8 straight years of tax cuts and increased spending for wars, new unfunded 1.2T welfare programs, increased farm subsidies during a growing economy.



Huh? Bush's first year in office saw a 55B on-budget surplus. His last year in office had a several hundred billion dollar deficit and his last budget had a 1.3 trillion dollar deficit.



Huh? Obama spent more in four months than Bush did in eight years? Let's hear about that.


THe new healthcare reform bill is deficit neutral. The war on poverty was paid for for decades until Reagan and then Bush 2 created structural budget deficits.

You should really do some rudimentary level of research before posting random smilies.

The healthcare bill is deficit neutral???????

I NEED to do my research??????????

Oh man, do I need to say a thing more after that pile of BS?

As for the Deficit:

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP:

2001 -1.25
2002 1.48
2003 3.39
2004 3.48
2005 2.52
2006 1.85
2007 1.14
2008 3.18
2009 9.91
2010 10.64

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP in United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local

Now, the deficit went UP after 9/11, but by 2007, Bush had cut that IN HALF.

Look when it jumps. AFTER OBAMA TAKES OFFICE. NOw you can BS and claim it was tax cuts and wars that caused the deficit, but the numbers don't lie. The deficit shot up AFTER OBAMA STARTED HIS BIG SPENDING.

As for healthcare being "deficit neutral." All I can say is

 

[teapartysamurai]

my point is that you are trying to PLAY tax FAVORITES, giving a break to one, while not the other samurai....

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

what i see is you and others wanting to take the tax burden off of the wealthiest and put it on to the middle class's shoulders.

who's gonna pay taxes in the end if you eliminate the capital gains tax and eliminate the corporate income tax? who is gonna pay our debt that's accumilated over the years or just the $300 billion yearly interest payment on it, if YOU get YOUR way???

GUESS WHO???

us, the middle class will have to pay for it....

AND THAT SUCKS.....samurai.

Especially when these people like Buffet or Gates or Hilton, or Heinz who make a living off of their CAPITAL GAINS and not salary, will be paying NOTHING to the IRS....while we took the social security surplus monies collected from the WORKER who pays them and GAVE THEM to the ilks of the above for the most part, in tax breaks instead of the very people who paid the SS taxes and created the SS surplus.

you are dicking yourself and you don't even know it samurai, all for the sake of political posturing....very sad imho!

get a grip on what you are supporting

You don't get who really pays taxes no matter where the taxes are raised.

If you raises taxes on the "rich" (aka corporations) where do you think those taxes get paid?

Do you think corporations just eat that?

YOU PAY those taxes, in either higher prices, lost wages, or lost jobs.

Where do you think corps get the money to pay those taxes? From the money fairy?

They either have to raise prices, cut the wages to their employers, cut some jobs or all three. Or even worse, move jobs overseas! The money has to come from SOMEWHERE.

Corporations don't eat it. WE DO!

Now liberals in government KNOW that's the truth. They KNOW when they play class envy politics, it's really you and me that are going to pay the price. They don't care! As long as they can get people to vote for them with the promise that the "rich" are going to pay more of their "fair share," they will keep right on playing that game.

Or how about the individual rich man? You think he pays those taxes?

Read "Do as I say not as I do" and see where the rich put their money to avoid paying taxes.

And what rich am I talking about? Michael Moore, the late Ted Kennedy, Noam Chomsky, Hillary and Bill Clinton.

They talk a great game of "paying your fair share" but when it comes to THEIR MONEY, they put it places, the tax man will never be able to reach, and it's the same for all of them.

When you raise taxes on the "rich," you again HURT THE MIDDLE CLASS, because when that money gets shelved to avoid paying taxes, it's not going into the economy to fuel jobs.

No matter how you slice it, WE PAY THOSE TAXES. That's the dirty little secret liberal politicians hope you never figure out.

 

[Full-Auto]

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

what i see is you and others wanting to take the tax burden off of the wealthiest and put it on to the middle class's shoulders.

who's gonna pay taxes in the end if you eliminate the capital gains tax and eliminate the corporate income tax? who is gonna pay our debt that's accumilated over the years or just the $300 billion yearly interest payment on it, if YOU get YOUR way???

GUESS WHO???

us, the middle class will have to pay for it....

AND THAT SUCKS.....samurai.

Especially when these people like Buffet or Gates or Hilton, or Heinz who make a living off of their CAPITAL GAINS and not salary, will be paying NOTHING to the IRS....while we took the social security surplus monies collected from the WORKER who pays them and GAVE THEM to the ilks of the above for the most part, in tax breaks instead of the very people who paid the SS taxes and created the SS surplus.

you are dicking yourself and you don't even know it samurai, all for the sake of political posturing....very sad imho!

get a grip on what you are supporting

You don't get who really pays taxes no matter where the taxes are raised.

If you raises taxes on the "rich" (aka corporations) where do you think those taxes get paid?

Do you think corporations just eat that?

YOU PAY those taxes, in either higher prices, lost wages, or lost jobs.

Where do you think corps get the money to pay those taxes? From the money fairy?

They either have to raise prices, cut the wages to their employers, cut some jobs or all three. Or even worse, move jobs overseas! The money has to come from SOMEWHERE.

Corporations don't eat it. WE DO!

Now liberals in government KNOW that's the truth. They KNOW when they play class envy politics, it's really you and me that are going to pay the price. They don't care! As long as they can get people to vote for them with the promise that the "rich" are going to pay more of their "fair share," they will keep right on playing that game.

Or how about the individual rich man? You think he pays those taxes?

Read "Do as I say not as I do" and see where the rich put their money to avoid paying taxes.

And what rich am I talking about? Michael Moore, the late Ted Kennedy, Noam Chomsky, Hillary and Bill Clinton.

They talk a great game of "paying your fair share" but when it comes to THEIR MONEY, they put it places, the tax man will never be able to reach, and it's the same for all of them.

When you raise taxes on the "rich," you again HURT THE MIDDLE CLASS, because when that money gets shelved to avoid paying taxes, it's not going into the economy to fuel jobs.

No matter how you slice it, WE PAY THOSE TAXES. That's the dirty little secret liberal politicians hope you never figure out.

I have just read your posts. It is far to much logic for the liberal mind to comprehend.

I dont know how the rep points work but you deserve several along with my thanks for such informative replys Hat tip

 

[Chris]

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

what i see is you and others wanting to take the tax burden off of the wealthiest and put it on to the middle class's shoulders.

who's gonna pay taxes in the end if you eliminate the capital gains tax and eliminate the corporate income tax? who is gonna pay our debt that's accumilated over the years or just the $300 billion yearly interest payment on it, if YOU get YOUR way???

GUESS WHO???

us, the middle class will have to pay for it....

AND THAT SUCKS.....samurai.

Especially when these people like Buffet or Gates or Hilton, or Heinz who make a living off of their CAPITAL GAINS and not salary, will be paying NOTHING to the IRS....while we took the social security surplus monies collected from the WORKER who pays them and GAVE THEM to the ilks of the above for the most part, in tax breaks instead of the very people who paid the SS taxes and created the SS surplus.

you are dicking yourself and you don't even know it samurai, all for the sake of political posturing....very sad imho!

get a grip on what you are supporting

You don't get who really pays taxes no matter where the taxes are raised.

If you raises taxes on the "rich" (aka corporations) where do you think those taxes get paid?

Do you think corporations just eat that?

YOU PAY those taxes, in either higher prices, lost wages, or lost jobs.

Where do you think corps get the money to pay those taxes? From the money fairy?

They either have to raise prices, cut the wages to their employers, cut some jobs or all three. Or even worse, move jobs overseas! The money has to come from SOMEWHERE.

Corporations don't eat it. WE DO!

Now liberals in government KNOW that's the truth. They KNOW when they play class envy politics, it's really you and me that are going to pay the price. They don't care! As long as they can get people to vote for them with the promise that the "rich" are going to pay more of their "fair share," they will keep right on playing that game.

Or how about the individual rich man? You think he pays those taxes?

Read "Do as I say not as I do" and see where the rich put their money to avoid paying taxes.

And what rich am I talking about? Michael Moore, the late Ted Kennedy, Noam Chomsky, Hillary and Bill Clinton.

They talk a great game of "paying your fair share" but when it comes to THEIR MONEY, they put it places, the tax man will never be able to reach, and it's the same for all of them.

When you raise taxes on the "rich," you again HURT THE MIDDLE CLASS, because when that money gets shelved to avoid paying taxes, it's not going into the economy to fuel jobs.

No matter how you slice it, WE PAY THOSE TAXES. That's the dirty little secret liberal politicians hope you never figure out.

This is complete bullshit.

One of the things that kept the gap between rich and poor from becoming too great in the 20th century was the progressive nature of the tax structure and the estate tax.

That is why Republicans and their wealthy masters have fought so hard to get rid of both.

Reagan and the two Bushes helped them do this, and in the process created 92% of the National Debt.

Click on the link and follow the links to the Treasury website for proof....

ReaganBushDebt.org

 

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The healthcare bill is deficit neutral???????

I NEED to do my research??????????

yes, according to the CBO the health care reform bill is deficit neutral (or positive, actually).

not to be confused with the last major Republican health care initiative, Medicare Part D, which was revenue-negative to the tune of 1.2T dollars - wholly, completely and totally unfunded mandate. Just lopped it onto the deficit with no regard for fiscal restraing.

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP:

2001 -1.25
2002 1.48
2003 3.39
2004 3.48
2005 2.52
2006 1.85
2007 1.14
2008 3.18
2009 9.91
2010 10.64

US Federal Deficit As Percent Of GDP in United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local

Now, the deficit went UP after 9/11, but by 2007, Bush had cut that IN HALF.

Huh? The deficit was -1.25 During Bush's first year in office. It went to +3.18 his last year, it went to 9.91 under his last budget.

 

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my point is that you are trying to PLAY tax FAVORITES, giving a break to one, while not the other samurai....

Play favorites???????

This is not kindergarten where everyone has to "play fair."

One person took a risk in the market, while the other decided to put his under a rock.

I mean this is not a new concept. Did you never read in the Bible about the 10 talents that the rich man distributed to his servants, and what happened to the man who simply hid his talent in the ground?

Life isn't fair.

I mean for PITY SAKE. I can't believe you think that.

This is like saying it's no fair the person who put his money in the bank got 5% interest, because the man who put his money in the mattress didn't.

Taxes are NOT a way to make things "fair."

I can't believe liberals see taxes as a way to keep someone from making more money than someone else.

As a side note, I came from a, ONCE, very wealthy family, but because my great, great, (great maybe?) grandfather didn't trust banks (to be fair, many of them did fail in those days), he kept his money in a wall in the house.

The house burned down, killing him, and leaving my family destitute.

You think that's fair? I can't get the money back.

Life isn't fair people.

what i see is you and others wanting to take the tax burden off of the wealthiest and put it on to the middle class's shoulders.

who's gonna pay taxes in the end if you eliminate the capital gains tax and eliminate the corporate income tax? who is gonna pay our debt that's accumilated over the years or just the $300 billion yearly interest payment on it, if YOU get YOUR way???

GUESS WHO???

us, the middle class will have to pay for it....

AND THAT SUCKS.....samurai.

Especially when these people like Buffet or Gates or Hilton, or Heinz who make a living off of their CAPITAL GAINS and not salary, will be paying NOTHING to the IRS....while we took the social security surplus monies collected from the WORKER who pays them and GAVE THEM to the ilks of the above for the most part, in tax breaks instead of the very people who paid the SS taxes and created the SS surplus.

you are dicking yourself and you don't even know it samurai, all for the sake of political posturing....very sad imho!

get a grip on what you are supporting

The far-right cultural elite in this country have done an incredible, amazing job over the last 30 years of convincing millions of right-leaning Americans to vote against their own self-interest. It's breathtaking to watch.