The growth of extremism in US politics

[Papageorgio]

Yes, we do have a problem with extremism in the US. The idiocy on the Malhuer Game Refuge just highlighted the seriousness of that problem. And that so many here were cheering the felons on, is an example of that very extremism.

But, in many way, that area is an example of the behavior that has created the extremism. In 1973, Harney County, Oregon had the highest per capital income of any county in Oregon. They were harvesting timber way ahead of growth, and everyone there was making money. A strong lad with only a grade school education could get a job on the green chain, and make upper middle class wages.

But when you harvest ahead of growth, it has to end sometime, and it ended. And now, even when the growth is ready to cut, the mills will only hire a third of the people that the old mills used to. And they will process more wood with those people. If you do not already have work experiance, with referances, you are not going to get any kind of job. High school education, minimum, preferably community college. Without a definate skill set, you are not going to make upper middle class wages, even if you do get hired.

For those that are middle aged, this is a real bummer. Most do not have the means or time to go back to school, and the good paying jobs they had are gone. So now they have seen their standard of living in steady decline, and continuing to do so. So they look for someone to blame. And since the good jobs now require an education they don't have, those damned educated liberals are keeping them from having a decent life. A situation rife with possibilities for demagogues.

So we see groups like the militias and the Sovereign Citizen movement. A sad comment on a lot of people's ability to reason.

My dad pulled green chain in the 70's, middle class wages were not what he made. He studied while pulling chain and became an electrician, that paid well. Green chain didn't.

Also, you have colleges today that produce lots of graduates that can't find a job that pays well.

Most the people in my circle of friends do well. Education or not they do well. They have enough years under their belt that they get God jobs.

Work with your "educated" liberals in telephony, and they were smart but not street smart to find solutions for issues that we had to confront daily.

Today's graduates expect to come out of college, jump to the top of a business and make the big bucks. It isn't happening. It takes years to get to the top and the grad doesn't want to put in the time.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yes, we do have a problem with extremism in the US. The idiocy on the Malhuer Game Refuge just highlighted the seriousness of that problem. And that so many here were cheering the felons on, is an example of that very extremism.

But, in many way, that area is an example of the behavior that has created the extremism. In 1973, Harney County, Oregon had the highest per capital income of any county in Oregon. They were harvesting timber way ahead of growth, and everyone there was making money. A strong lad with only a grade school education could get a job on the green chain, and make upper middle class wages.

But when you harvest ahead of growth, it has to end sometime, and it ended. And now, even when the growth is ready to cut, the mills will only hire a third of the people that the old mills used to. And they will process more wood with those people. If you do not already have work experiance, with referances, you are not going to get any kind of job. High school education, minimum, preferably community college. Without a definate skill set, you are not going to make upper middle class wages, even if you do get hired.

For those that are middle aged, this is a real bummer. Most do not have the means or time to go back to school, and the good paying jobs they had are gone. So now they have seen their standard of living in steady decline, and continuing to do so. So they look for someone to blame. And since the good jobs now require an education they don't have, those damned educated liberals are keeping them from having a decent life. A situation rife with possibilities for demagogues.

So we see groups like the militias and the Sovereign Citizen movement. A sad comment on a lot of people's ability to reason.

Tommy Tainant: "Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?
It a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth."


In my opinion, this is worldwide. I love the distant USA, and will do everything I do go there at sometime in the future. In the US, free will is valid, there is no dictatorship. You do not know when the extremes themselves the government, and they are the laws.

I hope you get the chance to go there.Its a great place to visit. I think that those freedoms you mention are under attack. Much of the right wing rhetoric is authoritarian and particularly in respect to religious and personal freedoms.

I have been reading about the links between anti gay religious "leaders" and people like Cruz. Anti gay rhetoric is an issue that unites christian and muslim loons and it appears that Gays should be second class citizens in the new world order. Hitler hated gays as well.

But back to my initial point, the Republicans and Democrats should be distancing themselves from religious extremists and not courting their support.

Our freedoms are under attack from people that don't tolerate real free speech. We are under attack from people that want to control the 2nd amendment rights. Our freedoms are under attack from those that want to force Americans to buy a product or get a tax penalty. Our freedoms are under attack by people that want to force their values of right and wrong on them with no tolerance for disagreement. Take the homosexual issue. If you don't agree with the gay lifestyle and that gay marriage should be legal, you are homophobic, you hate gays. You are uneducated and on and on. It's not true, the reality most people don't care who is gay or not, we don't need to embrace it. In Washington state it is now legal for men and women to use whichever public restroom they "feel" comfortable with. This infringes on American freedom.

Sorry but the infringement on freedom can be found on extremist from both sides, your interpretation is way off.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Yes, we do have a problem with extremism in the US. The idiocy on the Malhuer Game Refuge just highlighted the seriousness of that problem. And that so many here were cheering the felons on, is an example of that very extremism.

But, in many way, that area is an example of the behavior that has created the extremism. In 1973, Harney County, Oregon had the highest per capital income of any county in Oregon. They were harvesting timber way ahead of growth, and everyone there was making money. A strong lad with only a grade school education could get a job on the green chain, and make upper middle class wages.

But when you harvest ahead of growth, it has to end sometime, and it ended. And now, even when the growth is ready to cut, the mills will only hire a third of the people that the old mills used to. And they will process more wood with those people. If you do not already have work experiance, with referances, you are not going to get any kind of job. High school education, minimum, preferably community college. Without a definate skill set, you are not going to make upper middle class wages, even if you do get hired.

For those that are middle aged, this is a real bummer. Most do not have the means or time to go back to school, and the good paying jobs they had are gone. So now they have seen their standard of living in steady decline, and continuing to do so. So they look for someone to blame. And since the good jobs now require an education they don't have, those damned educated liberals are keeping them from having a decent life. A situation rife with possibilities for demagogues.

So we see groups like the militias and the Sovereign Citizen movement. A sad comment on a lot of people's ability to reason.

Tommy Tainant: "Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?
It a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth."


In my opinion, this is worldwide. I love the distant USA, and will do everything I do go there at sometime in the future. In the US, free will is valid, there is no dictatorship. You do not know when the extremes themselves the government, and they are the laws.

I hope you get the chance to go there.Its a great place to visit. I think that those freedoms you mention are under attack. Much of the right wing rhetoric is authoritarian and particularly in respect to religious and personal freedoms.

I have been reading about the links between anti gay religious "leaders" and people like Cruz. Anti gay rhetoric is an issue that unites christian and muslim loons and it appears that Gays should be second class citizens in the new world order. Hitler hated gays as well.

But back to my initial point, the Republicans and Democrats should be distancing themselves from religious extremists and not courting their support.

Our freedoms are under attack from people that don't tolerate real free speech. We are under attack from people that want to control the 2nd amendment rights. Our freedoms are under attack from those that want to force Americans to buy a product or get a tax penalty. Our freedoms are under attack by people that want to force their values of right and wrong on them with no tolerance for disagreement. Take the homosexual issue. If you don't agree with the gay lifestyle and that gay marriage should be legal, you are homophobic, you hate gays. You are uneducated and on and on. It's not true, the reality most people don't care who is gay or not, we don't need to embrace it. In Washington state it is now legal for men and women to use whichever public restroom they "feel" comfortable with. This infringes on American freedom.

Sorry but the infringement on freedom can be found on extremist from both sides, your interpretation is way off.

LOL, you're speaking real free speech now.


You try so hard to appear middle of the road. It's entertaining.

 

[CremeBrulee]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

That is how you go wrong. The latitude is pretty wide on what is acceptable here. There are going to be racists, homophobes, and bigots in general. All you can do is ignore them and/or not participate in their threads. It's the internet and unavoidable. In reality these people are dismissed. Most of the crap they spew in support of political, social, or economic ideologies would be disavowed by the very same people they vote for to enact them. America isn't all doom and gloom. Most of us are sensible, moderate, and civil.

do we owe you for this psycho babble of how everyone is in YOUR opinion? pfeeeeesh what a snob

Bigotry, racism, and homophobia is the norm? Is it the norm for you? Just because you are not civil, moderate, or sensible doesn't mean the rest of us don't have to be. What exactly do you think is psycho babble?

 

[Papageorgio]

Yes, we do have a problem with extremism in the US. The idiocy on the Malhuer Game Refuge just highlighted the seriousness of that problem. And that so many here were cheering the felons on, is an example of that very extremism.

But, in many way, that area is an example of the behavior that has created the extremism. In 1973, Harney County, Oregon had the highest per capital income of any county in Oregon. They were harvesting timber way ahead of growth, and everyone there was making money. A strong lad with only a grade school education could get a job on the green chain, and make upper middle class wages.

But when you harvest ahead of growth, it has to end sometime, and it ended. And now, even when the growth is ready to cut, the mills will only hire a third of the people that the old mills used to. And they will process more wood with those people. If you do not already have work experiance, with referances, you are not going to get any kind of job. High school education, minimum, preferably community college. Without a definate skill set, you are not going to make upper middle class wages, even if you do get hired.

For those that are middle aged, this is a real bummer. Most do not have the means or time to go back to school, and the good paying jobs they had are gone. So now they have seen their standard of living in steady decline, and continuing to do so. So they look for someone to blame. And since the good jobs now require an education they don't have, those damned educated liberals are keeping them from having a decent life. A situation rife with possibilities for demagogues.

So we see groups like the militias and the Sovereign Citizen movement. A sad comment on a lot of people's ability to reason.

Tommy Tainant: "Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?
It a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth."


In my opinion, this is worldwide. I love the distant USA, and will do everything I do go there at sometime in the future. In the US, free will is valid, there is no dictatorship. You do not know when the extremes themselves the government, and they are the laws.

I hope you get the chance to go there.Its a great place to visit. I think that those freedoms you mention are under attack. Much of the right wing rhetoric is authoritarian and particularly in respect to religious and personal freedoms.

I have been reading about the links between anti gay religious "leaders" and people like Cruz. Anti gay rhetoric is an issue that unites christian and muslim loons and it appears that Gays should be second class citizens in the new world order. Hitler hated gays as well.

But back to my initial point, the Republicans and Democrats should be distancing themselves from religious extremists and not courting their support.

Our freedoms are under attack from people that don't tolerate real free speech. We are under attack from people that want to control the 2nd amendment rights. Our freedoms are under attack from those that want to force Americans to buy a product or get a tax penalty. Our freedoms are under attack by people that want to force their values of right and wrong on them with no tolerance for disagreement. Take the homosexual issue. If you don't agree with the gay lifestyle and that gay marriage should be legal, you are homophobic, you hate gays. You are uneducated and on and on. It's not true, the reality most people don't care who is gay or not, we don't need to embrace it. In Washington state it is now legal for men and women to use whichever public restroom they "feel" comfortable with. This infringes on American freedom.

Sorry but the infringement on freedom can be found on extremist from both sides, your interpretation is way off.

LOL, you're speaking real free speech now.


You try so hard to appear middle of the road. It's entertaining.

As usual you make no sense. Free speech is the ability to spew hate as many extremists on the left and the right do. I can disagree with it but you have a right to spew it. In Europe free speech is defined differently. I believe in England you are laws on how you can talk about minorities. A lot of the hate speech on this board would not be allowed there.

The First Amendment is something no other country has and needs to be cherished.

As far as middle of the road? I try to be fair, I tolerate others beliefs, I tolerate others lifestyles, yet I don't have to approve of them.

You can be who you want to be, be don't tell others who they can and cannot be or what they can and cannot think. That is my issues with the extremes.

 

[Stephanie]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

That is how you go wrong. The latitude is pretty wide on what is acceptable here. There are going to be racists, homophobes, and bigots in general. All you can do is ignore them and/or not participate in their threads. It's the internet and unavoidable. In reality these people are dismissed. Most of the crap they spew in support of political, social, or economic ideologies would be disavowed by the very same people they vote for to enact them. America isn't all doom and gloom. Most of us are sensible, moderate, and civil.

do we owe you for this psycho babble of how everyone is in YOUR opinion? pfeeeeesh what a snob

Bigotry, racism, and homophobia is the norm? Is it the norm for you? Just because you are not civil, moderate, or sensible doesn't mean the rest of us don't have to be. What exactly do you think is psycho babble?

No, it's the norm for you and people like. you can't just live your life. You judge this and see all that you listed which unfortunately for you is LIFE. You have to try and live everyone else's life too because you are so saintly and high and mighty. go live your own life.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Donald Trump is the best Used Car salesman in America, and Cruz in the reincarnation of Tailgunner Joe. The only rational candidate is Kasich, and, in todays GOP, he doesn't stand a chance.

I am interested in where the normal conservatives have disappeared to.
When I was young I asked my Dad about the parties in American politics. He told me that they were pretty much the same but that the Democrats were slightly to the left of the middle and the Republicans were slightly to the right. He told me to buy a magnifying glass to help me spot the differences.
From a distance it looks like the Republicans have gone off the scale completely. I have no idea where the Democrats are. Mrs Clinton seems to be despised and Mr Sanders is being described as a socialist but I am not convinced of that.I saw a picture of him marching with Martin Luther King the other day and that suggests his heart is in the right place.

I will have a look at Mr Kasich.

You have it backwards...
The left has gone off the deep end.
And bernie is an admitted socialist so there shouldnt be any convincing needed.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Donald Trump is the best Used Car salesman in America, and Cruz in the reincarnation of Tailgunner Joe. The only rational candidate is Kasich, and, in todays GOP, he doesn't stand a chance.

I am interested in where the normal conservatives have disappeared to.
When I was young I asked my Dad about the parties in American politics. He told me that they were pretty much the same but that the Democrats were slightly to the left of the middle and the Republicans were slightly to the right. He told me to buy a magnifying glass to help me spot the differences.
From a distance it looks like the Republicans have gone off the scale completely. I have no idea where the Democrats are. Mrs Clinton seems to be despised and Mr Sanders is being described as a socialist but I am not convinced of that.I saw a picture of him marching with Martin Luther King the other day and that suggests his heart is in the right place.

I will have a look at Mr Kasich.

John Kasich and Rand Paul are the two sane candidates on the right, but neither are qualified to be President, in my opinion.

True, neither one is a community organizer, nor do they own a Nobel Peace Prize.

Obama, who was a senator, studied and taught Constitutional law. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when he took office. You give him no credit because you've been listening to right wing hate media.

I am yet to figure out what's wrong with being a community organizer. You say it as if it were a dirty thing.

He was a lecturer on constitutional law not a professor as he likes to claim.
And he never published a single law paper.
You want to cry about rightwing hate media while you spout lies about barry's qualifications....thats rich.

 

[Iceweasel]

Donald Trump is the best Used Car salesman in America, and Cruz in the reincarnation of Tailgunner Joe. The only rational candidate is Kasich, and, in todays GOP, he doesn't stand a chance.

I am interested in where the normal conservatives have disappeared to.
When I was young I asked my Dad about the parties in American politics. He told me that they were pretty much the same but that the Democrats were slightly to the left of the middle and the Republicans were slightly to the right. He told me to buy a magnifying glass to help me spot the differences.
From a distance it looks like the Republicans have gone off the scale completely. I have no idea where the Democrats are. Mrs Clinton seems to be despised and Mr Sanders is being described as a socialist but I am not convinced of that.I saw a picture of him marching with Martin Luther King the other day and that suggests his heart is in the right place.

I will have a look at Mr Kasich.

John Kasich and Rand Paul are the two sane candidates on the right, but neither are qualified to be President, in my opinion.

All I hear from Kasich is we need unity.

Really? Do we want all Americans to either embrace socialism or a limited government? Is there one method of government that we should all religiously embrace as superior? Should the state force a conservative state to embrace socialism or a socialist state to embrace conservatism? Wouldn't it be preferable for states to pursue their own beliefs and let them succeed or fail based on their own merits?

Dumb, dumb, dumb, naive and childish. smh...

Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the union, with almost half of their GPD from federal welfare. Their school system is one of the worst in the nation, and 20% are on food assistance.

Mississippi receives over two federal dollars in return for every dollar it pays into the federal tax system.

No wonder you think comedy skits are relevant. You have no clue what GDP even means. let along how receiving public money translates into production. How did Mississippi even get brought up?

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) Definition | Investopedia
Gross domestic product (GDP) is the monetary value of all the finished goods and services produced within a country's borders in a specific time period.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

 

[Papageorgio]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Papageorgio]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

So you calling people "frothers", "latter day Nazis", "yahoos", "imbecility", is not inflammatory? Sounds similar to me.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

So you calling people "frothers", "latter day Nazis", "yahoos", "imbecility", is not inflammatory? Sounds similar to me.

Its really difficult when dealing with rabid extremism.

 

[Papageorgio]

Considering that you use the term "Nazi" to refer to anybody who is rightfully appalled by the waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe, I would think anybody with even an average IQ should be able to spot the extremist.

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

So you calling people "frothers", "latter day Nazis", "yahoos", "imbecility", is not inflammatory? Sounds similar to me.

Its really difficult when dealing with rabid extremism.

I agree, however if they agree with you, you say nothing of your and their inflammatory posts, however if they disagree, you call them out.

You are on the other side of the extremism you rant against. Your extremism is difficult to deal with also.

Bottom line, you are no better than those you rail about, you use the same tactics they do.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

When you use deliberately inflammatory language like that it is clear that you have a hate agenda. It is possible to discuss issues without telling lies.

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

So you calling people "frothers", "latter day Nazis", "yahoos", "imbecility", is not inflammatory? Sounds similar to me.

Its really difficult when dealing with rabid extremism.

I agree, however if they agree with you, you say nothing of your and their inflammatory posts, however if they disagree, you call them out.

You are on the other side of the extremism you rant against. Your extremism is difficult to deal with also.

Bottom line, you are no better than those you rail about, you use the same tactics they do.

I see what you are saying. But my targets are those who promote hate. I am more than happy to debate politics with anybody who can form an argument.Life is too short to waste time on those who use fear and hate to demonise whole swathes of mankind.

 

[Tilly]

What inflammatory language did he use? He used your words from your post.

waves of Muslim rape gangs rampaging through Europe - hysterical bollox

So you calling people "frothers", "latter day Nazis", "yahoos", "imbecility", is not inflammatory? Sounds similar to me.

Its really difficult when dealing with rabid extremism.

I agree, however if they agree with you, you say nothing of your and their inflammatory posts, however if they disagree, you call them out.

You are on the other side of the extremism you rant against. Your extremism is difficult to deal with also.

Bottom line, you are no better than those you rail about, you use the same tactics they do.

I see what you are saying. But my targets are those who promote hate. I am more than happy to debate politics with anybody who can form an argument.Life is too short to waste time on those who use fear and hate to demonise whole swathes of mankind.

You display your hate and attempt to demonise all who disagree with you. When you air your disgust of non lefties, you usually refer to right wingers, not even the far right. You are an anti American, anti British, anti western, anti Israel, pro Islamist troll

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Leonard Pitts Jr.: Standing up to the language of hatred

An excellent appraisal of the rise of Trump.