The growth of extremism in US politics

[Old Rocks]

You want to see extremism. take this thread for an example.

Yes, after all, you are posting in it.

 

[Old Rocks]

The choice between Clinton and Sanders is one that I will put off until the primary. Wish the GOP was sane, and would offer us someone like Huntsman of Utah. Not going to happen until they have suffered the kind of setback they had with Goldwater. Weird thing is, Goldwater would be a Rino by todays standards.

 

[Old Rocks]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.





The President is a communist muslim.

.

Wrong. Obama is a Nazi Muslim.

Not at all, Obama is a Communist Nazi Muslim Atheist. See, got to cover all the bases.

 

[Stephanie]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.





The President is a communist muslim.

.

Wrong. Obama is a Nazi Muslim.

sheesh, I can't remember all the things they had Bush. hell they had him the devil himself. they are still harping over that petty crap about Obama. see that is a people who has nothing else

 

[Votto]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.





The President is a communist muslim.

.

Wrong. Obama is a Nazi Muslim.

Not at all, Obama is a Communist Nazi Muslim Atheist. See, got to cover all the bases.

You forgot gay.

 

[Votto]

So America has two roads to hoe. Either it will further empower the institution that they hate and is clearly corrupt beyond measure by voting for someone like a Bernie Sanders, or they can have an intervention via the Article V movement. Through the Constitution, states can rise up and withdraw power from the federal government, since checks and balances within the federal government have clearly failed.

There are two amendments about 80% of Americans support. Namely, term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some type. That would be a good beginning.

It's like Hillary. Everyone admits she broke the law, but there is this lingering question as to whether or not anyone gives a damn to do anything about it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Donald Trump is the best Used Car salesman in America, and Cruz in the reincarnation of Tailgunner Joe. The only rational candidate is Kasich, and, in todays GOP, he doesn't stand a chance.

I am interested in where the normal conservatives have disappeared to.
When I was young I asked my Dad about the parties in American politics. He told me that they were pretty much the same but that the Democrats were slightly to the left of the middle and the Republicans were slightly to the right. He told me to buy a magnifying glass to help me spot the differences.
From a distance it looks like the Republicans have gone off the scale completely. I have no idea where the Democrats are. Mrs Clinton seems to be despised and Mr Sanders is being described as a socialist but I am not convinced of that.I saw a picture of him marching with Martin Luther King the other day and that suggests his heart is in the right place.

I will have a look at Mr Kasich.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So America has two roads to hoe. Either it will further empower the institution that they hate and is clearly corrupt beyond measure by voting for someone like a Bernie Sanders, or they can have an intervention via the Article V movement. Through the Constitution, states can rise up and withdraw power from the federal government, since checks and balances within the federal government have clearly failed.

There are two amendments about 80% of Americans support. Namely, term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some type. That would be a good beginning.

It's like Hillary. Everyone admits she broke the law, but there is this lingering question as to whether or not anyone gives a damn to do anything about it.

What did Hillary actually do ?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

 

[Iceweasel]

So America has two roads to hoe. Either it will further empower the institution that they hate and is clearly corrupt beyond measure by voting for someone like a Bernie Sanders, or they can have an intervention via the Article V movement. Through the Constitution, states can rise up and withdraw power from the federal government, since checks and balances within the federal government have clearly failed.

There are two amendments about 80% of Americans support. Namely, term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some type. That would be a good beginning.

It's like Hillary. Everyone admits she broke the law, but there is this lingering question as to whether or not anyone gives a damn to do anything about it.

What did Hillary actually do ?

Read the news. So you can't define homophobe. I didn't think you could.

 

[Iceweasel]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

You're full of shit and can't defend your policies so you hurl insults. You fool no one.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Donald Trump is the best Used Car salesman in America, and Cruz in the reincarnation of Tailgunner Joe. The only rational candidate is Kasich, and, in todays GOP, he doesn't stand a chance.

I am interested in where the normal conservatives have disappeared to.
When I was young I asked my Dad about the parties in American politics. He told me that they were pretty much the same but that the Democrats were slightly to the left of the middle and the Republicans were slightly to the right. He told me to buy a magnifying glass to help me spot the differences.
From a distance it looks like the Republicans have gone off the scale completely. I have no idea where the Democrats are. Mrs Clinton seems to be despised and Mr Sanders is being described as a socialist but I am not convinced of that.I saw a picture of him marching with Martin Luther King the other day and that suggests his heart is in the right place.

I will have a look at Mr Kasich.

John Kasich and Rand Paul are the two sane candidates on the right, but neither are qualified to be President, in my opinion.

 

[Stephanie]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

You're full of shit and can't defend your policies so you hurl insults. You fool no one.

the usual for them

 

[Carla_Danger]

So America has two roads to hoe. Either it will further empower the institution that they hate and is clearly corrupt beyond measure by voting for someone like a Bernie Sanders, or they can have an intervention via the Article V movement. Through the Constitution, states can rise up and withdraw power from the federal government, since checks and balances within the federal government have clearly failed.

There are two amendments about 80% of Americans support. Namely, term limits for Congress and a balanced budget amendment of some type. That would be a good beginning.

It's like Hillary. Everyone admits she broke the law, but there is this lingering question as to whether or not anyone gives a damn to do anything about it.

What did Hillary actually do ?

Read the news. So you can't define homophobe. I didn't think you could.

That's easy.

Definition of homophobe in English:
noun
A person with an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexualpeople:


That's the definition. Aren't those dictionaries handy?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

You're full of shit and can't defend your policies so you hurl insults. You fool no one.

What's the matter, do you resemble that remark?

 

[Iceweasel]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

You're full of shit and can't defend your policies so you hurl insults. You fool no one.

What's the matter, do you resemble that remark?

I haven't heard that since the fifth grade. Liberals have an infantile personality disorder.

 

[Votto]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.





The President is a communist muslim.

.

Wrong. Obama is a Nazi Muslim.

sheesh, I can't remember all the things they had Bush. hell they had him the devil himself. they are still harping over that petty crap about Obama. see that is a people who has nothing else

Interestingly, both "W" and Obama pursued pretty much the same agenda.

1. Limitless spending.
2. Create wars abroad.
3. Create massive entitlements
4. Ignore illegal immigration.
5. Tinker with schools with such failed programs as No Child Left Behind or Common Core
6. Crap on the Constitution with programs like the Patriot Act and the NDAA. etc.

People are just tired of it.

Both the left and right fight have traditionally fought for bigger government. The left fights for bigger government at home and the right fights for it abroad, while both left and right are deluded about constraining the said government from acting either at home or abroad.

Again, another massive entitlement via Bernie Sanders is not going to remedy anything. What we need is to have the federal government restrained via the Article V movement.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.

There seems to be a huge appetite for unpleasant, authoritarian,jingoistic politics.

Much of the rhetoric on here is intolerant,racist and akin to what I would expect to read on a 30s message board in Nazi Germany.

People spout the most vile racist accusations but can never back them up with actual facts. Anybody with an alternative view is shouted down and there is little or no discussion, there is a default ideological position for every issue.

It seems that you cannot criticize the Israeli state without being an anti semite.

I have been a member for nearly two weeks and I have learned that -

The KKK were a neighbourhood watch group who only strung up black racists

That a Hollywood film was produced in order to forment a racial holocaust amongst the black population.

That socialism is akin to marxism/communism

That helping out a neighbour is Anti- American.

That decent drinking water is not a right.

that there is no connection between bombing somebodies home and them becoming a refugee.

That a realistic foreign policy is to bomb Syria and everyone in it.

That European politicians encourage "Muslim Rape gangs".

The President is a communist muslim.

That Donald Trump is a force for good.

Knowledge of Europe is minimal. I am sure that some frothers think that we are being raped every day by armed communist/muslim gangs. Its a hysterical agenda whipped up by people who seem happy to behave as latter day Nazis. There are problems in Europe and they can be traced back to the Bush/Blair illegal wars in the middle east. This seems to be beyond the ken of the frothers.

When any of these things is challenged with boring facts then this is ignored and the yahoos continue to reiterate their half baked crap.

It seems that moderate voices are drowned out be a tidal wave of ignorant semi literate hate speech.

Is this modern America or are the smart folks talking elsewhere ?

I believe this must be the case as America has rejected right wing politics for the past two elections. You dont hear much of the democratic candidates though. Where are they ?

Is right wing imbecility gaining ground in the US or is the media just highlighting, for example, Trumps followers for comic value ?

Its a worry for those of us who live on Planet Earth.

Tommy, you hit the nail on the head. I had a feeling you were a quick study. Fortunately, these people are a minority, however, this forum does seems to draw in the extremists.

It's mostly old white men, who have been listening to right wing hate radio. These are not highly educated people and are motivated by fear.

They are frothing away on this thread. I am ignoring them until one of them can make a reasonable point.

Politics of fear sums it up I think. I am not familiar with hate radio, we dont have it over here.

I sense that they are uncomfortable with facts as well. They really struggle to produce supporting information when spouting gibberish. When you ask them to prove something they either get abusive or disappear, or both.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Yes, we do have a problem with extremism in the US. The idiocy on the Malhuer Game Refuge just highlighted the seriousness of that problem. And that so many here were cheering the felons on, is an example of that very extremism.

But, in many way, that area is an example of the behavior that has created the extremism. In 1973, Harney County, Oregon had the highest per capital income of any county in Oregon. They were harvesting timber way ahead of growth, and everyone there was making money. A strong lad with only a grade school education could get a job on the green chain, and make upper middle class wages.

But when you harvest ahead of growth, it has to end sometime, and it ended. And now, even when the growth is ready to cut, the mills will only hire a third of the people that the old mills used to. And they will process more wood with those people. If you do not already have work experiance, with referances, you are not going to get any kind of job. High school education, minimum, preferably community college. Without a definate skill set, you are not going to make upper middle class wages, even if you do get hired.

For those that are middle aged, this is a real bummer. Most do not have the means or time to go back to school, and the good paying jobs they had are gone. So now they have seen their standard of living in steady decline, and continuing to do so. So they look for someone to blame. And since the good jobs now require an education they don't have, those damned educated liberals are keeping them from having a decent life. A situation rife with possibilities for demagogues.

So we see groups like the militias and the Sovereign Citizen movement. A sad comment on a lot of people's ability to reason.

Economic slumps are a key ingredient for right wing extremists. Hitler would have got nowhere if the German economy had been strong.The message that your hardships are caused by that group of people is quite attractive to a low educated, low intellect demographic.
Is the situation in Oregon localised or is it a similar picture across the US ?

It's a small group of nitwits, however, they do have quite a few sympathizers for their idiot cause.

Here's some entertainment for you. This is what's left over, out at the bird sanctuary.

 

[Stephanie]

Admittedly taken from conversations on here.





The President is a communist muslim.

.

Wrong. Obama is a Nazi Muslim.

sheesh, I can't remember all the things they had Bush. hell they had him the devil himself. they are still harping over that petty crap about Obama. see that is a people who has nothing else

Interestingly, both "W" and Obama pursued pretty much the same agenda.

1. Limitless spending.
2. Create wars abroad.
3. Create massive entitlements
4. Ignore illegal immigration.
5. Tinker with schools with such failed programs as No Child Left Behind or Common Core
6. Crap on the Constitution with programs like the Patriot Act and the NDAA. etc.

People are just tired of it.

Both the left and right fight have traditionally fought for bigger government. The left fights for bigger government at home and the right fights for it abroad, while both left and right are deluded about constraining the said government from acting either at home or abroad.

Again, another massive entitlement via Bernie Sanders is not going to remedy anything. What we need is to have the federal government restrained via the Article V movement.

you can't say that. Obama has been our savior, don't ya know?