Oddball
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Hegelian dialectic not spoken here, fool.
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While I would much prefer Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich or Sheldon Whitehouse I think Russell Feingold would be an effective and productive replacement for Obama. I definitely would vote for him.Alex Cockburn speculated recently he doesn't think Republican elites will tolerate Sarah Palin if she wins her party's nomination in 2012. Michael Bloomberg will be pressed into service, and Obama could face an independent challenge from Russ Feingold.
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Obama ran on nothing more than "hope" and "change"...and you bought it.The Republican base are the ones talking revolution. What is it those dumb fucks plan to do other than "make things different"?
Making things different that what they are now is a good thing.
The trouble with those people who are on the right and are making average wages is they lack class consciousness, which is why they vote against their interests.
Having class consciousness means that people of lower and middle classes do not fall for stupid tricks that pit them against their own class. They do not make stupid statements like
Oh, stop with the class warfare horseshit. You want more than what you've got, get off your ass and get to work. Nobody's keeping you down, and nobody owes you anything.
People who are one step above whaleshit believe stories about welfare queens and that these are the people bringing America to her knees. The truth is, they are far closer to the welfare queen class wise than they are to the CEO making 500 times the average worker. They don't want to see themselves that way, so they cheer for the CEO.
Nader's a whackjob. Paul has good ideas about the Constitution, but I don't like his foreign policy. It's simply not realistic. I do admire him for sticking to his principles, however. Not enough of that in DC.How about Ron Paul (libertarian version) against Ralph (Green Party) Nader for the 2012 White House with the loser serving as VP?FLUSHING Obama in 2012 seems like a good place to start.
Your problem is you want to replace him with someone even further left. And that would be disaster for America.
I live on base, so I don't receive the housing allowance. Given the house I'm in, I'm losing money on the deal. But I like living on base.Subsidized rent or special shopping privileges?Like what?Do you and yours enjoy any economic privileges the majority of Americans don't?
Yes.Do you pay Federal Taxes?
Probably. My wife's had to have three major surgeries in the 20 years we've been in. Our out-of-pocket expenses were less an a hundred dollars.I'm guessing your family's medical expenses consume a smaller portion of your budget than most Americans.
"The Man" is an excuse people use to explain their own failures and bad choices.Speaking of stupid statements, who the fuck are you to tell anyone what is or isn't in their best interests?
It makes more sense to align your interests with your own class vs. The Man. I'm not telling anyone here to do anything, just pointing out stupidity.
You're welcome.
You listen to Rush far more than I do.Obama ran on nothing more than "hope" and "change"...and you bought it.The Republican base are the ones talking revolution. What is it those dumb fucks plan to do other than "make things different"?
Making things different that what they are now is a good thing.
Yea, and I just posted a link on another thread that showed for the first time in a decade, American Manufacturing is growing. Hundreds of thousands of jobs worth.
Get it? In a decade? That the last two years PLUS EIGHT MORE!
What did Republicans do? Moved millions of jobs to China. Worked to close more than 40,000 American factories.
And recently, Republicans held millions hostage to get tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.
What is wrong with the right wing. Their leadership is screwing them deep and hard. They must like it. Don't know why.
Like Rush says, bend over and grab the ankles, here comes Boehner.
You worked for fifteen years with him -- or for him? And since you harbor such admiration for the Horatio Alger syndrome, what held you back? Or should we assume you are making $150 million a year, too?I worked for 15 with a guy who built a company from a borrowed $50,000 to the point where making $150,000,000 would be a really off year for him now.
If I had access to interview two thirds of the world's billionaires, as your condescending commentary suggests you've had, I'd be working on articles for premier magazines and newspapers rather than opinionizing on an Internet forum. And what makes you think that even with such privileged access all those billionaires would tell the truth about how they managed to amass such inordinate treasure?Put down "the Audacity of Hope" get out there and talk to people, meet people. 2/3 of the worlds billionaires started from scratch, go talk with them.
Did you ever notice how leftists define everyone's self-interest as "voting to keep leftists in power"?
That's because leftists really don't give a shit about people. They just want power.
Meanwhile, draper, who is The Man that's keeping you down?
Clearly, the greatest redistribution of wealth happened first, under Bush, when more than a trillions dollars went to the top 1%. Then when the Republicans held the US unemployed hostage, forcing Obama to send another trillion to the same millionaires and billionaires.
Take a look at the insurance company Cigna. A few years ago, the CEO received a 120 MILLION dollar paycheck. This from a "middle man". A company without doctors or nurses or hospitals that sets up health care between doctors and patients.
How many policies do you have to skim to make a single 120 million dollar paycheck. Add the two private jets, the other executives. The dropped policies of sick people. This is one tiny reason how wealth is "transferred". Then you have Republicans defending this.
So how is The Man keeping you down?Did you ever notice how leftists define everyone's self-interest as "voting to keep leftists in power"?
That's because leftists really don't give a shit about people. They just want power.
Meanwhile, draper, who is The Man that's keeping you down?
Define leftists that are in power. I see no leftists in power.
The Man = A congress that is bought many times over by corporate interests. Corporations do not have anyones interests at heart but their own. Their only obligation is to their shareholders. Nobody and nothing else.
Oh, stop with the class warfare horseshit. You want more than what you've got, get off your ass and get to work. Nobody's keeping you down, and nobody owes you anything.If you can't understand it I suggest you stop listening to Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly and the rest of the millionaire propagandists because they apparently have taken control of your thoughts and enlisted you into serving the corporatist agenda. That is unless you happen to be a multi-billionaire, which I kinda doubt.
You are free to do as you choose... live by your decisions, efforts, achievements, etc... I certainly do not fault others in getting what they can in this free society...
"Legislation that is expected to reach the House floor this week would give corporations and other large donors a greater role in presidential elections by dismantling the public campaign finance system.
Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) introduced a bill that would end public financing of presidential elections on the anniversary of the infamous Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision. The bill, HR 359, would eliminate the Presidential Election Campaign Fund and the Presidential Primary Matching Payment Account. It currently has 18 cosponsors, all of whom are Republican.
"A vote for HR 359 is a great way to tell the American people that you want to give corporations more power over our government rather than make democracy work for ordinary Americans," David Arkush, director of Public Citizen's Congress Watch division, warned in a prepared statement.
The Citizens United decision overturned nearly a century of restrictions on campaign spending, allowing corporations, unions and other groups to spend unlimited amounts on political campaigns without having to identify themselves. In a 5-4 decision last year, the US Supreme Court ruled that restrictions on spending amounted to a violation of First Amendment rights.
The decision allowed a torrential downpour of private dollars into the November midterm elections, with interest groups spending over $80 million on the elections, up from just $16 million in 2006."
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A certain percentage of those losing their homes to foreclosure who have worked as hard as you throughout their adult lives might feel Wall Street owes them something.Oh, stop with the class warfare horseshit. You want more than what you've got, get off your ass and get to work. Nobody's keeping you down, and nobody owes you anything.If you can't understand it I suggest you stop listening to Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly and the rest of the millionaire propagandists because they apparently have taken control of your thoughts and enlisted you into serving the corporatist agenda. That is unless you happen to be a multi-billionaire, which I kinda doubt.
I live on base, so I don't receive the housing allowance. Given the house I'm in, I'm losing money on the deal. But I like living on base.Subsidized rent or special shopping privileges?Like what?
Yes.Do you pay Federal Taxes?
Probably. My wife's had to have three major surgeries in the 20 years we've been in. Our out-of-pocket expenses were less an a hundred dollars.I'm guessing your family's medical expenses consume a smaller portion of your budget than most Americans.
So?
Shall we count up what all I've done to earn those benefits? The years I've spent away from my family in dangerous places? The millions of dollars of assets I've saved from destruction? The billion dollars of assets I've managed efficiently?
What I've received, I've earned. That was the contract I signed with Uncle Sam. You signed the same contract, but you chickened out after a couple of weeks.
I'm rapidly approaching a point where I would prefer anyone but Obama. It's become very clear to me why Goldman Sachs gave him four times as much money in 2008 as McCain.While I would much prefer Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich or Sheldon Whitehouse I think Russell Feingold would be an effective and productive replacement for Obama. I definitely would vote for him.Alex Cockburn speculated recently he doesn't think Republican elites will tolerate Sarah Palin if she wins her party's nomination in 2012. Michael Bloomberg will be pressed into service, and Obama could face an independent challenge from Russ Feingold.
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