The Greatest Navy That Ever Sailed The Seas

[Douger]

murkaz navy.
The ocean going division of the slaughter machine.
You know when it shows up in front of a country it's time to buy body bags for the civilians.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Royal Navy was good enough to whup the Argentines in the Falklands.

Actually - the small US Navy more than held their own against the Royal Navy in the War of 1812.

Not true at all. The US navy was forced to flee and hide in that war. It was not until the french joined us that we were able to move at all on the seas.

 

[Charles_Main]

War of 1812 - A JUST WAR.

We got in the last word in the Battle of New Orleans - over 2000 British casualties, 13 Americans dead. Those 13 died in glory.

A battle that should never had happened because the war had been over for 2 weeks. Those men died for nothing because the Treaty of Ghent had been signed the previous month.

It did make General Jackson an American hero and paved the way for his presidency and the "Trail of Tears."

I would hardly say they died for Nothing. The war may have been over. But by handing the Brits a stunning defeat we showed the world we were not a push over, and the British Army was not invincible.

Also if the Brits had managed to win that battle. Peace treaty or not, they would not have given New Orleans back and would have controlled the Mississippi and stopped further western expansion of the US.

 

[zzzz]

War of 1812 - A JUST WAR.

We got in the last word in the Battle of New Orleans - over 2000 British casualties, 13 Americans dead. Those 13 died in glory.

A battle that should never had happened because the war had been over for 2 weeks. Those men died for nothing because the Treaty of Ghent had been signed the previous month.

It did make General Jackson an American hero and paved the way for his presidency and the "Trail of Tears."

I would hardly say they died for Nothing. The war may have been over. But by handing the Brits a stunning defeat we showed the world we were not a push over, and the British Army was not invincible.

Also if the Brits had managed to win that battle. Peace treaty or not, they would not have given New Orleans back and would have controlled the Mississippi and stopped further western expansion of the US.

Don't get me wrong here, it was a great American victory but in the plus and minus' of the war it meant nothing. I think the British would have upheld the Treaty because France was the main threat and they needed to disengage from us. If they would have violated the treaty the War may have continued which was not what they wanted.

 

[Godboy]

World War II began for the United States when Japanese bombers and midget submarines attacked the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Several large ships were sunk and many were damaged. But the Navy quickly grew in strength.

At the end of the war, 24 battleships, 35 aircraft carriers, 77 escort carriers, 92 cruisers, 501 destroyers, 406 destroyer escorts, and 262 submarines were in service.

This was the greatest navy that ever sailed the seas.

World Book

Not true. Theres several things that todays Navy has going for it that they didnt have back then.

For example, We have nuclear powered subs and carriers that have an unlimited range. This is a key advantage we hold over other nations today, because we never have to refuel. When your ship has a range of 15,000 miles, that means you can only go 7,500 miles before you have to turn back around to refuel, and you have to maintain a slower speed in order to make the most of its fuel consumption. With nuclear power, you can go as fast as you want and it makes no difference whatsoever.

Trident subs give us the ability to literally destroy a country. It only takes one ship to do it and you cant see it coming.

Carriers are almost indestructable today. With all defenses they have, the battle to overcome a carrier takes place hundreds of miles away. You have to get through all of its attack aircraft before you get that close. The phalanx guns on it make it impossible to get a missle or rocket to hit it. A carrier group also comes with 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships,and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates. No sub, ship or plane can get near one today. As a bonus, carriers come with cruise missles, making it possible to do long range strikes inland. You could even put nuclear warheads on those if you wanted.

The advantages in technology we have today far exceed the advantages we had back in the 40's. The US Navy today could beat the Naval forces of every country on earth combined.

 

[JW Frogen]

The US Navy has bigger tallywackers, that can not be desputed.

 

[JW Frogen]

Now I am no slouch in that department but I once was in a US Naval shower with the Hull Tech who could have used his to free those trapped miners in Chile.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Royal Navy was good enough to whup the Argentines in the Falklands.

Actually - the small US Navy more than held their own against the Royal Navy in the War of 1812.

The US Navy had some good one on one victories, but spent most of the war bottled up in ports.

 

[Harry Dresden]

murkaz navy.
The ocean going division of the slaughter machine.
You know when it shows up in front of a country it's time to buy body bags for the civilians.

yep they even have a body bag for cowardly X American assholes like you......

 

[westwall]

The Royal Navy was good enough to whup the Argentines in the Falklands.

Actually - the small US Navy more than held their own against the Royal Navy in the War of 1812.

Actually the Royal navy in the War of 1812 was embroiled with France more than the US. Even then the Royal Navy had free reign over the coast of the US. Heck they landed their Marines at will wherever they wanted, even burned Washington DC to the ground. We did have a few ships that could muster, "Ironsides" for example and Commadore Perry up on lake Erie fought a good battle. But by and large the Royal Navy was "BOSS"

Actually the USS Constitution was more than a match for any frigate the Royal Navy could send at her. In fact the Admiralty pulled the top deck off of a few of their 74 gun ships of the line to make a 50 gun Razzee that was fast enough and tough enough to deal with her and her cohorts the USS President and the USS United States (all designed by Samual Humphreys). The problem the US Navy had was numbers. The RN had 6 or 7 times the number of ships sailing offshore as the American Navy had in total. But, when our ships could get out they did terrific damage. The USS Essex pretty much wiped out the entire British Pacific whaling fleet before having to fight the Cherub and Phoebe which mounted long 18s to the Essex's 32 pounder caronades. The RN ships stayed out of range of the caronades and pounded the Essex into submission.

All that being said though, I have to agree in terms of total ship to ship victories and impact on national policy no navy comes close to the RN. It held the line against all comers for over two hundred years and fought over 375 single ship actions while losing I think 8 of those actions....and of that I think 6 were to the US during the War of 1812.

The RN is the reason why the sun never set on the English Empire.

 

[Terry]

They weren't called the Greatest Generation for no reason.

One officer in Task Force 58 in 1944 was quoted: "We can go anywhere we please, and the Japs can't do a damned thing about it."

Meanwhile - the so-called war in Afg is reaching 10 years.

Why so few Medal of Honor winners? cause we arent fighting anybody

You seem to know a lot about history.

 

[zzzz]

Carriers are almost indestructable today. With all defenses they have, the battle to overcome a carrier takes place hundreds of miles away. You have to get through all of its attack aircraft before you get that close. The phalanx guns on it make it impossible to get a missle or rocket to hit it. A carrier group also comes with 2 Guided Missile Cruisers, 2 Anti Aircraft Warships,and 1-2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates. No sub, ship or plane can get near one today. As a bonus, carriers come with cruise missles, making it possible to do long range strikes inland. You could even put nuclear warheads on those if you wanted.

The advantages in technology we have today far exceed the advantages we had back in the 40's. The US Navy today could beat the Naval forces of every country on earth combined.

I have to take issue with this assertion. Nothing, I repeat, nothing is indestructible.

A carrier battle group is an awesome array of defensive and offensive weaponry. There are mainly 4 ways to attack a battle group:
1.Air attack with bombers – This kind of attack like at Midway is obsolete in this day and age and stands no chance of succeeding.

2.Air attack with stand off missile launches of anti ship missile – the Argentines and Iraqi’s proved that this method with sea skimming missiles is capable of getting through ship defenses. The problem against a carrier group is getting the aircraft close enough to launch missiles.

3.Attack with land based anti ship missiles – This method of attack is feasible if the group strays into range of these missiles, but the Navy will no put carriers in a position for this to happen. This is why in a possible war over Taiwan the carriers will not be permitted too close to Taiwan or mainland China. The Chinese land based anti ship missiles are very potent and plentiful and massive salvo of missiles would overload any defense.

4.Attack by submarines – This is the main threat of attack against carriers. A torpedo is a very powerful weapon as proved in the cruiser being sunk by the British in the Falklands war. Who has the capability to get through ASW defenses? The Chinese have nuclear and diesel subs that are very quiet. The diesel subs are very quiet and pose a very real threat. this is another reason why in a war the carriers would keep their distance from Taiwan.

The carrier is a very potent weapon and a lot of resources are spent to protect it. The loss of a carrier would be a big blow to the American psyche and to the Navy therefore all care is taken not to put them in harm’s way. The battles that have been fought against sub standard forces in the last few decades has brainwashed the public that no country can stand up and fight the US. This is a dangerous assumption.

I do not believe that in a stand up fight that another country can beat the US head to head but that the costs in a war could be considerable depending on the enemy and the theater of operations. And the one country that poses the biggest threat is China. They are getting more modern forces and equipement every day and through exercises with other countries (Turkey) are getting operational experience in modern warfare. Our previous conflict with China over Korea was against a foe that had "hand me down" Russian weapons. Any future conflict would be against modern weaponry and the Chinese also have ballistic missiles that could hit the US with non-nuclear weapons. We have to accept the reality that in a war with China oveer Taiwan that if we bomb mainland China we may get bombed in return with missiles and we have a limited anti missile defense.

We have been the number one armed force on the planet and still are but other countries are evolving too and with the rise of the Chinese economy and the modernization of their forces in a few years they may be on par with us. Not in the carrier area because they do not believe that the costs of building and maintaining a carrier battle group is worth it. Who knows history may judge the carriers as obselete in the 21st century just like battleships became obselete in WWII.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There has never been a mutiny in the United States Navy.

A forward to The Caine Muntiny - 1954 - starring Bogey.

Please research histories of the US Navy in Vietnam, particularly about the carriers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A battle that should never had happened because the war had been over for 2 weeks. Those men died for nothing because the Treaty of Ghent had been signed the previous month.

It did make General Jackson an American hero and paved the way for his presidency and the "Trail of Tears."

I would hardly say they died for Nothing. The war may have been over. But by handing the Brits a stunning defeat we showed the world we were not a push over, and the British Army was not invincible.

Also if the Brits had managed to win that battle. Peace treaty or not, they would not have given New Orleans back and would have controlled the Mississippi and stopped further western expansion of the US.

Don't get me wrong here, it was a great American victory but in the plus and minus' of the war it meant nothing. I think the British would have upheld the Treaty because France was the main threat and they needed to disengage from us. If they would have violated the treaty the War may have continued which was not what they wanted.

In Dec 1814, Napoleon was safely in exile at Elba. At least safely until he decided not to the next spring. The Brits would have had the lynch pin to the entire American west if it took New Orleans. It would have given it up for good concessions rather than fight a US that would bought a huge army for the time to beat the Brits head in if they did not leave.

 

[Blagger]

The Royal Navy was good enough to whup the Argentines in the Falklands.

Actually - the small US Navy more than held their own against the Royal Navy in the War of 1812.

Actually the Royal navy in the War of 1812 was embroiled with France more than the US. Even then the Royal Navy had free reign over the coast of the US. Heck they landed their Marines at will wherever they wanted, even burned Washington DC to the ground. We did have a few ships that could muster, "Ironsides" for example and Commadore Perry up on lake Erie fought a good battle. But by and large the Royal Navy was "BOSS"

Actually the USS Constitution was more than a match for any frigate the Royal Navy could send at her. In fact the Admiralty pulled the top deck off of a few of their 74 gun ships of the line to make a 50 gun Razzee that was fast enough and tough enough to deal with her and her cohorts the USS President and the USS United States (all designed by Samual Humphreys). The problem the US Navy had was numbers. The RN had 6 or 7 times the number of ships sailing offshore as the American Navy had in total. But, when our ships could get out they did terrific damage. The USS Essex pretty much wiped out the entire British Pacific whaling fleet before having to fight the Cherub and Phoebe which mounted long 18s to the Essex's 32 pounder caronades. The RN ships stayed out of range of the caronades and pounded the Essex into submission.

All that being said though, I have to agree in terms of total ship to ship victories and impact on national policy no navy comes close to the RN. It held the line against all comers for over two hundred years and fought over 375 single ship actions while losing I think 8 of those actions....and of that I think 6 were to the US during the War of 1812.

The RN is the reason why the sun never set on the English Empire.

At last! Sanity prevails.

 

[westwall]

Actually the Royal navy in the War of 1812 was embroiled with France more than the US. Even then the Royal Navy had free reign over the coast of the US. Heck they landed their Marines at will wherever they wanted, even burned Washington DC to the ground. We did have a few ships that could muster, "Ironsides" for example and Commadore Perry up on lake Erie fought a good battle. But by and large the Royal Navy was "BOSS"

Actually the USS Constitution was more than a match for any frigate the Royal Navy could send at her. In fact the Admiralty pulled the top deck off of a few of their 74 gun ships of the line to make a 50 gun Razzee that was fast enough and tough enough to deal with her and her cohorts the USS President and the USS United States (all designed by Samual Humphreys). The problem the US Navy had was numbers. The RN had 6 or 7 times the number of ships sailing offshore as the American Navy had in total. But, when our ships could get out they did terrific damage. The USS Essex pretty much wiped out the entire British Pacific whaling fleet before having to fight the Cherub and Phoebe which mounted long 18s to the Essex's 32 pounder caronades. The RN ships stayed out of range of the caronades and pounded the Essex into submission.

All that being said though, I have to agree in terms of total ship to ship victories and impact on national policy no navy comes close to the RN. It held the line against all comers for over two hundred years and fought over 375 single ship actions while losing I think 8 of those actions....and of that I think 6 were to the US during the War of 1812.

The RN is the reason why the sun never set on the English Empire.

At last! Sanity prevails.

Not sanity, just a simple historical fact.

 

[ginscpy]

Actually the Royal navy in the War of 1812 was embroiled with France more than the US. Even then the Royal Navy had free reign over the coast of the US. Heck they landed their Marines at will wherever they wanted, even burned Washington DC to the ground. We did have a few ships that could muster, "Ironsides" for example and Commadore Perry up on lake Erie fought a good battle. But by and large the Royal Navy was "BOSS"

Actually the USS Constitution was more than a match for any frigate the Royal Navy could send at her. In fact the Admiralty pulled the top deck off of a few of their 74 gun ships of the line to make a 50 gun Razzee that was fast enough and tough enough to deal with her and her cohorts the USS President and the USS United States (all designed by Samual Humphreys). The problem the US Navy had was numbers. The RN had 6 or 7 times the number of ships sailing offshore as the American Navy had in total. But, when our ships could get out they did terrific damage. The USS Essex pretty much wiped out the entire British Pacific whaling fleet before having to fight the Cherub and Phoebe which mounted long 18s to the Essex's 32 pounder caronades. The RN ships stayed out of range of the caronades and pounded the Essex into submission.

All that being said though, I have to agree in terms of total ship to ship victories and impact on national policy no navy comes close to the RN. It held the line against all comers for over two hundred years and fought over 375 single ship actions while losing I think 8 of those actions....and of that I think 6 were to the US during the War of 1812.

The RN is the reason why the sun never set on the English Empire.

At last! Sanity prevails.

The RN may have been boss for centuries - but no navy was more BOSS than the US Navy in WW2 - esp 1943 to 1945.

The Greatest Navy That Ever Sailed The Seas. An officer in in 1944: "Talk About Ruling The Waves - We can go anywhere we please - and the Japs can't do a damned thing about it." ( note NO Political Correctness) Source: Carrier War (wartime publication that I inherited from my Dad)

 

[westwall]

Actually the USS Constitution was more than a match for any frigate the Royal Navy could send at her. In fact the Admiralty pulled the top deck off of a few of their 74 gun ships of the line to make a 50 gun Razzee that was fast enough and tough enough to deal with her and her cohorts the USS President and the USS United States (all designed by Samual Humphreys). The problem the US Navy had was numbers. The RN had 6 or 7 times the number of ships sailing offshore as the American Navy had in total. But, when our ships could get out they did terrific damage. The USS Essex pretty much wiped out the entire British Pacific whaling fleet before having to fight the Cherub and Phoebe which mounted long 18s to the Essex's 32 pounder caronades. The RN ships stayed out of range of the caronades and pounded the Essex into submission.

All that being said though, I have to agree in terms of total ship to ship victories and impact on national policy no navy comes close to the RN. It held the line against all comers for over two hundred years and fought over 375 single ship actions while losing I think 8 of those actions....and of that I think 6 were to the US during the War of 1812.

The RN is the reason why the sun never set on the English Empire.

At last! Sanity prevails.

The RN may have been boss for centuries - but no navy was more BOSS than the US Navy in WW2 - esp 1943 to 1945.

The Greatest Navy That Ever Sailed The Seas. An officer in in 1944: "Talk About Ruling The Waves - We can go anywhere we please - and the Japs can't do a damned thing about it." ( note NO Political Correctness) Source: Carrier War (wartime publication that I inherited from my Dad)

You realllllly need to get a better foundation in history young man. The USN of WWII was certainly the most powerful navy ever floated up to that time. However its impact on world history doesn't hold a candle to the RN. It certainly won it's share of WWII. However, it did not lay the groundwork for 100 years of safety from invasion as Nelson's victory at Trafalgar did. You would do well to study the victories of Nelson, Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Collingwood, and a whole host of others who defeated major enemy forces...without having to have the biggest stick on the block.

That is what made them great.

 

[ginscpy]

At last! Sanity prevails.

The RN may have been boss for centuries - but no navy was more BOSS than the US Navy in WW2 - esp 1943 to 1945.

The Greatest Navy That Ever Sailed The Seas. An officer in in 1944: "Talk About Ruling The Waves - We can go anywhere we please - and the Japs can't do a damned thing about it." ( note NO Political Correctness) Source: Carrier War (wartime publication that I inherited from my Dad)

You realllllly need to get a better foundation in history young man. The USN of WWII was certainly the most powerful navy ever floated up to that time. However its impact on world history doesn't hold a candle to the RN. It certainly won it's share of WWII. However, it did not lay the groundwork for 100 years of safety from invasion as Nelson's victory at Trafalgar did. You would do well to study the victories of Nelson, Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Collingwood, and a whole host of others who defeated major enemy forces...without having to have the biggest stick on the block.

That is what made them great.

We didnt use Flogging Thru the Fleet or Press Gangs

RN was never as dominant as the US Navy was from 1943 to 1945.

Today the US Navy has nobody to fight against.

 

[westwall]

The RN may have been boss for centuries - but no navy was more BOSS than the US Navy in WW2 - esp 1943 to 1945.

The Greatest Navy That Ever Sailed The Seas. An officer in in 1944: "Talk About Ruling The Waves - We can go anywhere we please - and the Japs can't do a damned thing about it." ( note NO Political Correctness) Source: Carrier War (wartime publication that I inherited from my Dad)

You realllllly need to get a better foundation in history young man. The USN of WWII was certainly the most powerful navy ever floated up to that time. However its impact on world history doesn't hold a candle to the RN. It certainly won it's share of WWII. However, it did not lay the groundwork for 100 years of safety from invasion as Nelson's victory at Trafalgar did. You would do well to study the victories of Nelson, Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Collingwood, and a whole host of others who defeated major enemy forces...without having to have the biggest stick on the block.

That is what made them great.

We didnt use Flogging Thru the Fleet or Press Gangs

RN was never as dominant as the US Navy was from 1943 to 1945.

Today the US Navy has nobody to fight against.

Read some history. You are flat wrong on all counts (well you are correct that we didn't use Press Gangs)

Flogging in the Navy

The Royal Navy had ONE ship The Speedy I think she was called under the command of Lord Thomas Cochrane. She was an 8 gun brig mounting I believe 4 pounders and under his command she obliterated French shipping in the Med. Cochrane also made many landings up and down the coast and France was forced to garrison the south coast with over 50,000 troops...to combat the depradations of one ship wih under 200 men aboard.
In all over a period of 13 months he destroyed, captured or ran aground over 50 ships and finally a squadron of ships of the line were sent to capture him which they eventually did.

This was one ship and while very few captains were as gifted as Cochrane they did have plenty of very saavy captains and their sailors were the best in the world.

You are correct that the US Navy has no challenger at the current time but we did almost lose the Cole to a suicide bombing in Yemen, and that is still a concern. And don't forget the Chinese and their rapidly building bluewater navy....in other words in a few years there will most certainly be a significant challenge to the US Navy.