Who started WW II.

[AZrailwhale]

What's a totally wrong impression from you. No one in Europe is able "to beat" France. There was a little miscalculation of the leaders of the French army (Maginot line) and a new form of attack (parachuters) which made it possible that France lost in a first attack. But this meant nearly nothing for Germany except to win some time.



What a nonsense.



No idea what Churchill "thought" - if he thought at all. The strategy of the Brits had it been to bring Germany and Russia into a war against each other. They called this politics ironically "appeasement" policy. It had been clear to them that first Poland will have to fall in such a case because it needed a common border between Germany and Russia to start a war. The moment when this had happened was their success. A fisherman had only to wait now. But suddenly Captain Ahab Churchill liked to hunt the swastika tiger shark Germany - although sharks are only good enough for a soup and the Brits on their own had been nothing else than Germanics and Celts.

Airborne troops had nothing to do with the defeat of France. They weren't even used anywhere in France. They were used to defeat the Belgium fortress at Eban Emal. The Germans defeated France by a combination of better troops, far better leadership and good coordination between the Luftwaffe and Heer. The death knell for the French was the Germans getting inside the French decision loop and staying there. The French high command was responding to moves the Germs had made two or even three steps before.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What's a totally wrong impression from you. No one in Europe is able "to beat" France. There was a little miscalculation of the leaders of the French army (Maginot line) and a new form of attack (parachuters) which made it possible that France lost in a first attack. But this meant nearly nothing for Germany except to win some time.



What a nonsense.



No idea what Churchill "thought" - if he thought at all. The strategy of the Brits had it been to bring Germany and Russia into a war against each other. They called this politics ironically "appeasement" policy. It had been clear to them that first Poland will have to fall in such a case because it needed a common border between Germany and Russia to start a war. The moment when this had happened was their success. A fisherman had only to wait now. But suddenly Captain Ahab Churchill liked to hunt the swastika tiger shark Germany - although sharks are only good enough for a soup and the Brits on their own had been nothing else than Germanics and Celts.

The British had no policy of getting Russia and Germany to go to war. Germany attacked Russia without provocation. Just like it had Poland, Greece, the Balkans, France, Holland and Great Britain. Oddly enough, the only country Germany went to war with for cause was the USA because it was already waging an undeclared war against the German Navy U Boats.

 

[rupol2000]

The Swastika dates back to Snake Religions that could reach back prior to Gobekli Tepi and Karahan Tepi

I don't think so, it's considered a solar symbol.

But this is not about that. It was a symbol of the nation and a mass media stamp in the USA and only then came to Europe. Hitler just took it from the culture of the roaring 20s.

 

[rupol2000]

Hitler never started to make cheap folk cars.

all the more it proves the backwardness of Germany in relation to the United States. But he had a project.

 

[rupol2000]

Try to start to study real history and not only weird ideas about history.

For me, real history is not a history written by the feds and fascists for zombies and slaves.

 

[rupol2000]

Cities go hand in hand with a growing of freedom and not with slavery.

Yes, that's why the USA already had towers and skyscrapers in 1900, and Germany still has huts and brothels.

 

[rupol2000]

Slavery is by the way an US-American theme - and not a German theme.

Slavery has existed in Germany since the Neolithic, and was abolished in the 1860s. But the state of von Bismarck is almost the same slavery of the bureaucratic state, instead of court servants.

 

[Failzero]

I don't think so, it's considered a solar symbol.

But this is not about that. It was a symbol of the nation and a mass media stamp in the USA and only then came to Europe. Hitler just took it from the culture of the roaring 20s.

It is also thought to be 4 Snakes moving

 

[Failzero]

It is also thought to be 4 Snakes moving

And knowing what a symbol that is over 5 thousand years old means is still debated

 

[rupol2000]

Slavery is by the way an US-American theme - and not a German theme

In the US, slavery existed only in the British colonies. That is why they drove out the British and defeated three empires to stay free.
But the British are the same German slaves.

 

[Billo_Really]

FDR. That's who. It has been uncovered that there were a number of things suggested for FDR to do to goad the Japanese into attacking the U.S. All of them were done. Also, FDR knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor. But because that is what he wanted, he did nothing. Except make sure that our two most important ships there, our aircraft carriers, were out to sea when the attack happened.

They may have even been able to decode this message that admiral Yamamoto sent back to Japan. "The task force, keeping its movements strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow." Why was this and probably other messages sent? Probably because admiral Yamamoto himself didn't want to pull off a sneak attack. They no doubt knew that doing so is exactly what FDR would have wanted.

Though what FDR really wanted was to go to war with Germany. He saw to it that also happened. Sure, Germany may have declared war on the U.S. But we were basically already at war with them anyway. By supplying England with weapons and other supplies. No doubt a deal was also secretly made with Stalin to attack Germany. Knowing that the U.S. would support them too. A former Russian military intelligence officer named Vladmir Rezun wrote a book about it called, "Icebreaker: Who Started The Second World War." Supposedly, this book has been "debunked." But who would know better than a Russian military intelligence officer.

The whole reason reason that Germany attacked Russia was because they found out that the Russians were about to attack them! At the time, here is how the two opposing military forces stacked up against each other.


View attachment 781422

FDR started the war in the Pacific by disrespecting Japanese delegates. But the war in Europe was Hitler's baby!

 

[rupol2000]

It is also thought to be 4 Snakes moving

Yes, I saw it. Probably a fake or imitation. The Germans did not have iron, there was the Neolithic.
In any case, at the time when they worshiped snakes, they did not have metal.
If these medallions are not fake, then they are not ancient medallions.

 

[San Souci]

Perhaps, but I think it’s more likely that a long and bloody staleMate would have happened, grinding down the manpower of both countries until Germany ran out of manpower sometime in the early fifties and the Soviets, while exhausted, would have conquered the remains of Western Europe. The USSR might collapse after that from internal stress.

Meanwhile ,the Manhattan Project would have gone on. Besides ,Japan might have stepped in. They defeated the Ruskies before. Without Lend-Lease ,the Russki military was a joke. The Russkies were like the Italians. Lots of guts as individuals. But pretty weak as military powers.

 

[dimensional]

World War 1 started World War 2. It is only one war.

Wrong.

 

[dimensional]

You need to do some research. The IJN never had a fleet train like the USN developed after WWI. They used the slow, over-the-stern refuelling method. The IJN almost always refueled their ships at their bases like the RN did. Pearl Harbor was a one-off operation that even the USN couldn’t have pulled off in 1941.
No one knew the Japanese were even considering attacking Pearl Harbor. All their preparations were geared towards attacking the Philippines, Malaysia and the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese were very good at keeping secrets before the war. Look at the precautions they took to keep the Yamato Class battleships secret for example. New docks in places completely off limits to foreigners, huge curtains blocking the views of the building and fitting out docks, deliberately mislabeling the main guns as sixteen inch special weapons rather than eighteen inch guns. Even at the time of Pearl Harbor the USN wasn’t reading the Japanese military codes, just the much less secure diplomatic codes.
It’s been EIGHTY THREE YEARS since the Pearl Harbor attack, if anyone had known, by now it would be common knowledge like the USN reading the Japanese naval codes in June 1942. A secret that big can’t be kept.

As far as I know, the Japanese had what for the time would be considered a modern navy. And if the U.S. has aircraft carriers, they were capable of pulling off a Pear harbor or any other kind of attack. Next, from what I have been reading here and there, the U.S. did crack the Japanese military code before Pearl Harbor. But for obvious reasons, it was kept secret. Neither did the Japanese fleet maintain radio silence. Next, the U.S. can keep any kind of secret it wants to. For example, the Mafia could silence anybody they wanted to. And the mafia is small potatoes compared to the U.S. military. Killing is their business.

Also, the U.S. military recovered a vast treasure from Victorio Peak. But you'll never hear them admit to it. Another thing is that Patton was almost certainly assassinated. Though it took him two weeks to die. If he ever said what he thought happened to him, nobody would say for fear of their lives. The U.S. also has recovered flying saucers. But you will never hear them admit to it. Etc. etc. etc. The U.S. is very good at keeping secrets.

 

[dimensional]

Most everything and you know it, you are a conspiracy nut that believes in conspiracies that thousands and thousands of people were involved in a cover up. You go against logic and eyewitness accounts. The Holocaust , the start of WWII are all conjured up to help bolster your fragile ego.

I will show you a picture with a quote of a Russian historian and novelist. He was also a Nobel Laureate. If you think you know better than this person, you are BEYOND delusional.

 

[dimensional]

Aren't you glad that the next world war won't have anyone to debate who did what to whom?

The next world war will without the slightest thread of a doubt happen because in WW II, we backed the wrong side.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Hitler. Thread over.

fake news!

would the trumptards scream, had they existed in the 50s 60s..

 

[dimensional]

FDR started the war in the Pacific by disrespecting Japanese delegates. But the war in Europe was Hitler's baby!

I don't recall FDR disrespecting the Japanese. He wanted them to put a stop to their invasion of China. He cut off their oil for that reason. The Japanese might have found that disrespectful, but I don't. Also the overly harsh terms of the Treaty of Versailles is what led to Hitler coming to power. But even then, Hitler was never the biggest threat. Stalin was.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Meanwhile ,the Manhattan Project would have gone on. Besides ,Japan might have stepped in. They defeated the Ruskies before. Without Lend-Lease ,the Russki military was a joke. The Russkies were like the Italians. Lots of guts as individuals. But pretty weak as military powers.

The IJA was no better. It was a first world war infantry army that was very short on logistics ability.