Who started WW II.

[Failzero]

They repeat this banal garbage all the time to hide the fact that in America of the roaring 20s it was actually a national symbol, and it appeared long before Mussolini came, and Hitler was a corporal at that time.

The Swastika dates back to Snake Religions that could reach back prior to Gobekli Tepi and Karahan Tepi

 

[dimensional]

The Swastika dates back to Snake Religions that could reach back prior to Gobekli Tepi and Karahan Tepi

For you and rupol2000. I have had a thread closed down to debate because the discussion went off topic. This thread is about who started WW II. Not about the Germans or the origins of the swastika.

 

[zaangalewa]

Trapped in a Cocoon Her Whole Life

Arendt was the mistress of Martin Heidegger, who became a Nazi, though she became anti-totalitarianism. That's how confused long years in academia, sheltered from reality, made her. So I look deeper into anything she writes and find nothing to respect.

Absorbing herself in abstract books instead of real life, she easily fell under the sway of a blowhard like Heidegger, whose reputation is being revived in this decadent New Age.

Or with other words: You are banal ("Who cares about philosophy?") and evil ("The Jew Hannah Ahrendt fucked a Nazi!") - and not shy to murder as many people as you like to murder on the 'moral' reason: "right or wrong, my country". And you are sure "you" (=no one who is murdering for the USA) will be punished for any of the own crimes.

 

[zaangalewa]

The Swastika dates back to Snake Religions

?

that could reach back

You could also be an alien.

prior to Gobekli Tepi and Karahan Tepi

What for heavens sake is "Karahan Tepi"? ... Ah yeah - the same civilisation like the Göbekli Tepe civilisation - kurdish name is by the way "Xirabreşk". Karahan Tepe seems to be younger (9500-6500 BC).

 

[zaangalewa]

For you and rupol2000. I have had a thread closed down to debate because the discussion went off topic. This thread is about who started WW II. Not about the Germans or the origins of the swastika.

World War 1 started World War 2. It is only one war.

 

[zaangalewa]

America was full of Fords in 1910 and Hitler started making cheap folk cars around 1940

Hitler never started to make cheap folk cars.

 

[zaangalewa]

... In the slave German communities there has always been socialism and equality, individualism and rebellion were condemned by priests and slave owners. ,,,

Try to start to study real history and not only weird ideas about history. Cities go hand in hand with a growing of freedom and not with slavery. Slavery is by the way an US-American theme - and not a German theme. Here never existed something what is comparable with your form of slavery. And what you call "dark age" and we call "late antiquity" and "middle ages" is a time where the city-lisation grew. Without this "dark age" the USA is not thinkable too. Your will to destroy all German cities - specially also the rormantic middle age cities which burned damned good - is somehow also a kind of "Freudian" problem where you tried to murder your own past and tried to castrate yourselve.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Of course FDR knew. It would have been impossible for him to not know. There is also most likely evidence. But it is buried so deep that you will never see it. Also, I doubt very much if there was any limit to the range of the Japanese fleet. You don't create such a fleet without making sure of their fuel. Another thing is that one of the possible targets they talked about was the Panama Canal. That's much further away from Japan than Hawaii. Neither do I think anybody underestimated them. Years earlier they defeated the Russian navy.

You need to do some research. The IJN never had a fleet train like the USN developed after WWI. They used the slow, over-the-stern refuelling method. The IJN almost always refueled their ships at their bases like the RN did. Pearl Harbor was a one-off operation that even the USN couldn’t have pulled off in 1941.
No one knew the Japanese were even considering attacking Pearl Harbor. All their preparations were geared towards attacking the Philippines, Malaysia and the Dutch East Indies. The Japanese were very good at keeping secrets before the war. Look at the precautions they took to keep the Yamato Class battleships secret for example. New docks in places completely off limits to foreigners, huge curtains blocking the views of the building and fitting out docks, deliberately mislabeling the main guns as sixteen inch special weapons rather than eighteen inch guns. Even at the time of Pearl Harbor the USN wasn’t reading the Japanese military codes, just the much less secure diplomatic codes.
It’s been EIGHTY THREE YEARS since the Pearl Harbor attack, if anyone had known, by now it would be common knowledge like the USN reading the Japanese naval codes in June 1942. A secret that big can’t be kept.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hitler never started to make cheap folk cars.

Every hear the term “VOLKSWAGON”? That was a cheap car for the people and Hitkervwas directly responsible for its design by Ferdinand Porsche and produced by Volkswagenwerk created by the German Labor Front, a Nazi Party organization. So yes Hitler DID make cheap folk cars.

 

[zaangalewa]

Every hear the term “VOLKSWAGON”?

Volkswagen, short "VW". Ferdinand Porsche got in 1934 the order to make a cheap car for everyone - a "Volks-Wagen" (a car for all people). Background is perhaps that Adolf Hitler admired the US-American anti-Semite Henry Ford. In Mai 26th the project was renamed in KdF-Wagen (KdF: "power by joy") when the first factory was opened. Some few cars had been produced; they had been used as models on reason of propaganda. In 1945 the Brits started the production in the Wolfsburg Motor Works and called the project again "Volkswagen". The only Volkswagen in the next 5 years had been "the beetle". A legendary car.

That was a cheap car for the people and Hitkervwas directly responsible for its design by Ferdinand Porsche

The origin was the Tatra V570 (1933) (Hans Ledwinka)

and produced by Volkswagenwerk created by the German Labor Front, a Nazi Party organization.

This never had happened.

So yes Hitler DID make cheap folk cars.

Hitler used the idea "cheap folk cars" as a propaganda instrument. This was specially in the USA very popular.

The NY times wrote in 1938 for example:
...In a short time Der Fuehrer is going to plaster his great sweeps of smooth motor highways with thousands and thousands of shiny little beetles, purring along from the Baltic to Switzerland and from Poland to France, with father, mother and up to three kids packed inside and seeing their Fatherland for the first time through their own windshield. ...

Instead of this vision came war. All VW-cars had been produced after world war 2.

 

[San Souci]

Hitler. Thread over.

No. We could have minded our own business. If Japan had crushed China ,there would be no Communism. If Hitler and Stalin had destroyed each other ,the World would have been better off.

 

[Papageorgio]

I've started a number of threads. Tell me something I said in any of them that you think isn't true.

Most everything and you know it, you are a conspiracy nut that believes in conspiracies that thousands and thousands of people were involved in a cover up. You go against logic and eyewitness accounts. The Holocaust , the start of WWII are all conjured up to help bolster your fragile ego.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No. We could have minded our own business. If Japan had crushed China ,there would be no Communism. If Hitler and Stalin had destroyed each other ,the World would have been better off.

Stalin and Hitler wouldn’t have “destroyed each other”. One would have beaten the other after a long and bloody series of stalemates. I think Stalin would have eventually won leaving the USA to face a USSR that ran from the Arctic Circle to the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic/English Channel to the Pacific. Even as a conquered territory using slave labor, the industrial capacity would at least match the USA.
China would be a stalemate, Japan never had the industrial capacity or manpower to conquer it, but China was a hotbed of warlordism and corruption.

 

[zaangalewa]

Stalin and Hitler wouldn’t have “destroyed each other”.

Hitler had for sure tried to destroy Stalin.

One would have beaten the other after a long and bloody series of stalemates. ...

And so France, England and others had been able to beaten the rest of the surviving Nazis and Soviets. Or perhaps better to say only: The rest of the surviving Nazis - because I think without the help of the USA Stalin and his Soviet system not had survived. ... And in world war 1 Russia also had lost without the help of the USA. And it looks like we are now in a kind of frozen history where the problems of the 19th century are still our problems - unsolvable problems now - because of the existence of nukes. ... hmm ... History not knows experiments: ignoramus, ignorabimus. We will see.

 

[Markle]

No. We could have minded our own business. If Japan had crushed China ,there would be no Communism. If Hitler and Stalin had destroyed each other ,the World would have been better off.

 

[San Souci]

Stalin and Hitler wouldn’t have “destroyed each other”. One would have beaten the other after a long and bloody series of stalemates. I think Stalin would have eventually won leaving the USA to face a USSR that ran from the Arctic Circle to the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic/English Channel to the Pacific. Even as a conquered territory using slave labor, the industrial capacity would at least match the USA.
China would be a stalemate, Japan never had the industrial capacity or manpower to conquer it, but China was a hotbed of warlordism and corruption.

Without Lend Lease , the Russkies would have lost. Bigtime. But the Nazis could never have held on for long. Main thing is , Stalin and his sycophants would have been hanged. And Hitler probably would have been assassinated. Japan may not have conquered all of China ,but Mao would never have come to power.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Hitler had for sure tried to destroy Stalin.



And so France, England and others had been able to beaten the rest of the surviving Nazis and Soviets. Or perhaps better to say only: The rest of the surviving Nazis - because I think without the help of the USA Stalin and his Soviet system not had survived. ... And in world war 1 Russia also had lost without the help of the USA. And it looks like we are now in a kind of frozen history where the problems of the 19th century are still our problems - unsolvable problems now - because of the existence of nukes. ... hmm ... History not knows experiments: ignoramus, ignorabimus. We will see.

France would have already been beaten and the UK couldnt get at the Germans without vast amounts of American aid and manpower. That’s why Churchill wanted to fight the Germans in North Africa and the Balkans.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Without Lend Lease , the Russkies would have lost. Bigtime. But the Nazis could never have held on for long. Main thing is , Stalin and his sycophants would have been hanged. And Hitler probably would have been assassinated. Japan may not have conquered all of China ,but Mao would never have come to power.

Perhaps, but I think it’s more likely that a long and bloody staleMate would have happened, grinding down the manpower of both countries until Germany ran out of manpower sometime in the early fifties and the Soviets, while exhausted, would have conquered the remains of Western Europe. The USSR might collapse after that from internal stress.

 

[Esdraelon]

Yes. That's what most people in the U.S. are for thinking that Hitler was the bad guy.

Aren't you glad that the next world war won't have anyone to debate who did what to whom?

 

[zaangalewa]

France would have already been beaten

What's a totally wrong impression from you. No one in Europe is able "to beat" France. There was a little miscalculation of the leaders of the French army (Maginot line) and a new form of attack (parachuters) which made it possible that France lost in a first attack. But this meant nearly nothing for Germany except to win some time.

and the UK couldnt get at the Germans without vast amounts of American aid and manpower.

What a nonsense.

That’s why Churchill wanted to fight the Germans in North Africa and the Balkans.

No idea what Churchill "thought" - if he thought at all. The strategy of the Brits had it been to bring Germany and Russia into a war against each other. They called this politics ironically "appeasement" policy. It had been clear to them that first Poland will have to fall in such a case because it needed a common border between Germany and Russia to start a war. The moment when this had happened was their success. A fisherman had only to wait now. But suddenly Captain Ahab Churchill liked to hunt the swastika tiger shark Germany - although sharks are only good enough for a soup and the Brits on their own had been nothing else than Germanics and Celts.