The GOP Path to Prosperity — 6 TRILLION in Budget Cuts

[The Rabbi]

where are your facts to rebut Rabbi's post?

Facts? She don' need no stinkin' facts.

no, pretend rabbi, i don't waste my time with losers like you.

go cry to your friend who needs a spoon.. you can be the board beavis and butthead.

You have never posted an argument that was decently constructed which you then defended. Ypu have never provided a shred of evidence for any view you have. You are a fraud. You are a hemorrhoid on this board. You simply cuss out and neg rep anyone who disagrees with you.
And quit posing as something other than the charwoman you really are. You haven't convinced anyone.

 

[Trajan]

Read the plan.

sorry, thats not how it works, you made the claim, I await your particulars, fire away Flanagan.

it privatizes medicare, instead giving seniors vouchers which are to be used toward private health insurance, thereby putting more $ into insurance company coffers. the problem is that the vouchers are not intended to go up in value every year while the costs of insurance will... leaving seniors to carry greater and greater a share of their health insurance.

i'd say that's destroying medicare, wouldn't you?

granny votes and is she ticked off...

Not really, it revamps it, a rose by another name and all that, the issue is will seniors get the coverage they require. I'll wait to hear from NY carb. before I plate my view thx.

 

[The Rabbi]

sorry, thats not how it works, you made the claim, I await your particulars, fire away Flanagan.

it privatizes medicare, instead giving seniors vouchers which are to be used toward private health insurance, thereby putting more $ into insurance company coffers. the problem is that the vouchers are not intended to go up in value every year while the costs of insurance will... leaving seniors to carry greater and greater a share of their health insurance.

i'd say that's destroying medicare, wouldn't you?

granny votes and is she ticked off...

Not really, it revamps it, a rose by another name and all that, the issue is will seniors get the coverage they require. I'll wait to hear from NY carb. before I plate my view thx.

It changes the way services and the attendent finance are delivered. That is not destroying it. Keeping the current system will destroy it.

 

[Greenbeard]

It changes the way services and the attendent finance are delivered. That is not destroying it. Keeping the current system will destroy it.

Medicare is the name of a payer that provides a certain benefit to seniors. If you introduce a proposal that eliminates that payer and eliminates that particular benefit then, yes, Medicare is no more. There may be merit in that proposal but there's nothing to be gained by disguising what it is.

 

[jillian]

sorry, thats not how it works, you made the claim, I await your particulars, fire away Flanagan.

it privatizes medicare, instead giving seniors vouchers which are to be used toward private health insurance, thereby putting more $ into insurance company coffers. the problem is that the vouchers are not intended to go up in value every year while the costs of insurance will... leaving seniors to carry greater and greater a share of their health insurance.

i'd say that's destroying medicare, wouldn't you?

granny votes and is she ticked off...

Not really, it revamps it, a rose by another name and all that, the issue is will seniors get the coverage they require. I'll wait to hear from NY carb. before I plate my view thx.

privatizing is not revamping. and no, they will not get what they require. they can't.

the GOP has tried to destroy social security and medicare since Roosevelt.

 

[MarcATL]

Dude. seriously? It is the legislators responsibility to ensure that an industry never goes by the wayside? Times change... it;s why we don;t have ice houses and buggy whip factories.

Sounds to me like you should be a strong supporter of new and clean energy.

Getting oil OUT of the equation.

Yes?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Conservatism is economic enslavement by the money interests. Do you think further privatizing healthcare where private for-profit interests have already inflated the cost of healthcare to all but intolerable levels is a formula for economic freedom? Do you think taking the oppressive cost of a grossly bloated defense budget off the table is a asset to economic freedom?

And Progressivism is the intellectual enslavement of gullible morons.

Funny, I manage to have no debt, a home that's paid for, two cars that are paid for, a job that I only need every other paycheck to live on, and not a single worry, financially,

all on making mid five figures and paying more taxes than anyone in my brackets,

and I'm the moron??

How are the rest of you doing? How many of you can claim the same financial independence and security?

Ha. Not many. So STFU.

oh and a credit score of 830.

All of which confirms that good conservative capitalism works.
You...1) live within your means. 2) do not spend money you do not have. 3) do not use credit where cash will do. 4) do not burden others with your financial affairs...
See where we are going here?. Because you believe in a progressive lib socialist type government, you think you are one of them. You are not. You practice capitalism in your every day life.
BTW, I have three cars, all paid for. Little outstanding debt. Our house will be paid for in a few short years. We do not spend more than we earn. No toys unless we pay cash..We live within our means...We are political and fiscal conservatives.

 

[MarcATL]

The funniest thing about it is...these Far RW reactionary radicals really and truly think themselves to be normal.


lol

Sad really...

 

[The Rabbi]

It changes the way services and the attendent finance are delivered. That is not destroying it. Keeping the current system will destroy it.

Medicare is the name of a payer that provides a certain benefit to seniors. If you introduce a proposal that eliminates that payer and eliminates that particular benefit then, yes, Medicare is no more. There may be merit in that proposal but there's nothing to be gained by disguising what it is.

Changing the particular manner a program delivers aid is not destroying it. This sounds like a Dem talking point. Oh look, the GOP wants to DESTROY MEDICARE. They'll put granny on ice floes.
Bullshit.
The revamped system will deliver more sustainable care. Doesn't the Left care about sustainibility?

 

[The Rabbi]

The funniest thing about it is...these Far RW reactionary radicals really and truly think themselves to be normal.


lol

Sad really...

You mean the vast majority of people who voted for Republicans in 2010?
The amazing thing is that leftists think the rest of America is filled with ignorant stump broke rednecks who really don't matter.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And Progressivism is the intellectual enslavement of gullible morons.

Funny, I manage to have no debt, a home that's paid for, two cars that are paid for, a job that I only need every other paycheck to live on, and not a single worry, financially,

all on making mid five figures and paying more taxes than anyone in my brackets,

and I'm the moron??

How are the rest of you doing? How many of you can claim the same financial independence and security?

Ha. Not many. So STFU.

oh and a credit score of 830.

We have one thing in common: our credit score.

But I earned mine doing real work in the private sector instead of being a parasite.

same here. No government slug shit for me . No union thuggery either. Private sector. No entitlements.

 

[Mr Liberty]

Destroying medicare is the path to prosperity?

Increasing joblessness in the face of a fragile economy is the path to prosperity?

I hope Ryan gets smacked down.

Let me know when you want to talk about cutting military expenses.

You obviously didn't read the editorial. I know this because I know you cannot read.
He specifically mentions implementing the cuts that Sec Gates has proposed.
Where do you see "destroying medicare" anywhere in there? The object here is to save medicare. The Dems are interested in destroying it by letting its costs get out of control. The GOP wants to save it by letting states take block grants and come up with their own solutions. An idea the Founders would have applauded, since they wanted gov't devolved to the lowest levels.

Why are the founders relevant?

Do you remember the Constitution? If full of things like liberty, limiting power and rights. Perhaps you think that's not relevant.

 

[Greenbeard]

Changing the particular manner a program delivers aid is not destroying it.

Somehow I suspect that if every private insurance company in the United States were disbanded and its role taken on by Medicare, you'd be of the opinion that private insurance was destroyed. And you'd be correct.

Not surprisingly, the same principle holds for the opposite scenario. Ryan may want to keep the name around, but Medicare would no longer exist in 2022 if he were to get his way.

 

[The Rabbi]

Changing the particular manner a program delivers aid is not destroying it.

Somehow I suspect that if every private insurance company in the United States were disbanded and its role taken on by Medicare, you'd be of the opinion that private insurance was destroyed. And you'd be correct.

Not surprisingly, the same principle holds for the opposite scenario. Ryan may want to keep the name around, but Medicare would no longer exist in 2022 if he were to get his way.

The two are like chalk and cheese.
Currently the Federal gov't provides funds for medical care. After the plan is implemented the gov't will provide funds for medical care. See the difference? Me neither.

 

[thereisnospoon]

A post office worker is a parasite now? Jesus christ.

Maybe not a parasite. At the end of the day, any person who's job performance results in the entity for which he works to lose money is a non producer.
Government work produces nothing. It only consumes. It is funded through the confiscation and transfer of wealth against the will of the person who own the wealth.
No one would complain about government, taxes or the wages and benefits of government workers if the government functioned properly on time and within budget. Few would complain if government looked out for the interests of the taxpayers first.
Since none of that happens, government will always be distrusted, government workers and the unions which represent them will always be looked upon with disdain.
The USPS is a dysfunctional pile of waste upon waste.
I avoid the US mail at all costs. I stay away from the post office. If the USPS went out of business tomorrow, I could not care less.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You obviously didn't read the editorial. I know this because I know you cannot read.
He specifically mentions implementing the cuts that Sec Gates has proposed.
Where do you see "destroying medicare" anywhere in there? The object here is to save medicare. The Dems are interested in destroying it by letting its costs get out of control. The GOP wants to save it by letting states take block grants and come up with their own solutions. An idea the Founders would have applauded, since they wanted gov't devolved to the lowest levels.

Why are the founders relevant?

Do you remember the Constitution? If full of things like liberty, limiting power and rights. Perhaps you think that's not relevant.

Liberals, especially the under-educated posers such as Jillian, only concern themselves with the Constitution when -their- ox is gored, or -they- can make polotical hay against a Republican.

Consider The Obama stating that the CinC has no Constitutional authority to commit US forces to action in an instance that does not involve a direct threat to the US w/o Congressional approval -- and then does exactly that, to the full support of the Demo-libs that swooned over His prior statement.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Ryan's idiocy is the same rightwing radical nonsense that the crackpots who surrounded Reagan in 1980 wanted to pull.

Meanwhile, Democrats and liberals race one another to see who can more quickly grow the deficit.

No, they don't. Republican policy is responsible for almost all of our accumulated debt AND our current deficit.

This is, of course, a lie.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Indeed, they are. The Post Office is an antiquated, inefficient organization which is consistently bailed out by taxpayers.

Sorry, PO Workers themselves aren't parasites simply because you feel they're inefficient or they're insufficiently managed. Unless you're taking the irrational position that every postal worker is in Management.

ahh yes, the old union mantra of " it isn't US...Blame management"....Please.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The funniest thing about it is...these Far RW reactionary radicals really and truly think themselves to be normal.


lol

Sad really...

So sayeth the King of non-sequiturs

 

[Liberty]

if they got it right there would be no need for amendments.

Oh man let me clean the coffee off my keyboard that I spit out during uncontrollable laughter.

Amendments were part of the design by the founders because they knew the country had to change with the times and that is the method by which they implemented to achieve that end. I feel bad for you that you don't know that.

If they got it right( your word) they they would have covered everything. Jefferson would not of had to of said" These things need to be looked at every 20 years to make sure its working correctly. "Paraphrasing

But no your right, The FF had it perfectly the first time, to where they never needed to change anything.

I find it interesting you admit that they added it to change with the times, and yet so often its the rhetoric of the right that we need to repeal certain amendments and get it back to the way the founders had it....

i love righty logic, it always contradicts itself.

repealing amendments can also be a tool for changing with the times, moron. I can't believe how fucking stupid you are. As long as it is LEGAL and follows the CONSTITUTIONAL METHODS, then who gives a flying fuck what it is? You want to pass an amendment guaranteeing every person get free health care...THEN FUCKING DO IT! WHAT IS STOPPING YOU? Oh yeah, it is called the voice of fucking reason.

Get a grip.