The George Zimmerman the Press Doesnt Want You to Know

[koshergrl]

How odd that the crime rate in DC sky rocketed when they ramped up gun laws.

How odd that crime rates are lower in the US in places where everybody is armed.

In other words, you're full of shit.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't think Zimmerman was happy about it, nor is he the 'happy' shooter that some of his detractors would make him out to be.

The crux of the matter is this (IMO). Why did he keep on following the guy?

Because he was trying to see where the kid was fleeing to. They had had a rash of robbies and break-ins and Zimmerman and a few others in that neighborhood were trying to help authorities catch the perps. Martin was not a perp, but Zimmerman couldnt know that.

Zimmerman has every right to fllow anyone he damned well pleases.

What gives him the right to walk around the street armed and looking for trouble? Is he a security guard? No. A cop? No. He was a self-appointed neighbourhood watch dude.

That is an attitude that simply amazes me. The history of being allowed to carry a weapon is similar in at least one respect; the only peeople not allowed to carry weapons were peasants, slaves and serfs who were generally considered to be some form of property.

Only free people could carry weapons, and in most places up until World War 1 most people could carry some kind of weapon. It was considered the right of all free people to be able to defend themselves from violence. Were it not for Zimmerman being armed, he could very likely be dead today due to internal injuries from being repeatedly in the abdomen.

Why do you think a person that is not a cop or a security guard does NOT have the right to protect their own life? Because a mistake might be made?

From the outside looking in (and when I mean outside, I mean outside the US), this is why the country's guns laws are fucked. This is why the second amendment fundametally sux...

No, the second amendment is why Zimmerman and millions of other people in this country are able to prevent criminals from making them into victims each year.

And in my judgement this is a good thing.

Why do you think people should be made into helpless little bunnies who can only try to flee the wolf?

So he was fleeing, was he? So now you're not allowed to even walk the streets of America minding your own business without being hassled. So you're walking along the street and some random guy - no markings indicating what he is or isn't - is following you, hassling you etc. You ok with that? Interesting if you are...

Maybe some crimes are prevented, but you also have instances like the Zimmerman incident, too...shrug

I think any civilised society has moved on from having to carry around guns for protection. Think about it- the countries who feel the same way I do include most of western Europe, Canada and Australia. The ones that feel the same way you do include Mexico, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Which camp would you rather be in.

Fundamentally, we live in different societies. As one very pro gun poster from Ohio said to me a long time ago on another board - our country is a lot more violent than yours. I didn't disagree.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't think Zimmerman was happy about it, nor is he the 'happy' shooter that some of his detractors would make him out to be.

The crux of the matter is this (IMO). Why did he keep on following the guy? What gives him the right to walk around the street armed and looking for trouble? Is he a security guard? No. A cop? No. He was a self-appointed neighbourhood watch dude. From the outside looking in (and when I mean outside, I mean outside the US), this is why the country's guns laws are fucked. This is why the second amendment fundametally sux...

Not meaning to get into a gun rights argument, but what gave him the right to carry a gun is the Second Amendment and his conceal carry permit.

And, if one looks at fatal shootings in the USA, the majority of them are done with illegal guns.

Maybe if we enforced illegal gun law, there might be less fatal shootings.

It's been a long time since I talked the second with Yanks...;o) Thought I might jump into the fray again...heh...

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't think Zimmerman was happy about it, nor is he the 'happy' shooter that some of his detractors would make him out to be.

The crux of the matter is this (IMO). Why did he keep on following the guy? What gives him the right to walk around the street armed and looking for trouble? Is he a security guard? No. A cop? No. He was a self-appointed neighbourhood watch dude. From the outside looking in (and when I mean outside, I mean outside the US), this is why the country's guns laws are fucked. This is why the second amendment fundametally sux...

he's on the neighborhood crime watch idiot !!

Self appointed, Sock.

Using your logic I can go around calling myself President of the US because I said I am...

 

[Amelia]

I don't think Zimmerman was happy about it, nor is he the 'happy' shooter that some of his detractors would make him out to be.

The crux of the matter is this (IMO). Why did he keep on following the guy? What gives him the right to walk around the street armed and looking for trouble? Is he a security guard? No. A cop? No. He was a self-appointed neighbourhood watch dude. From the outside looking in (and when I mean outside, I mean outside the US), this is why the country's guns laws are fucked. This is why the second amendment fundametally sux...

Go suck an egg, you have no idea what our rights mean to us. Anyone that would willingly give up the right to arms to a government deserves the eventual loss of all rights.

As for what he was he was a neighborhood watch Captain, it is his responsibility to watch for suspicious activity and to act if he sees it.

All he did is approach the person and he got attacked for it. So bad it broke his nose caused bleeding on the back of his head and knocked him to the ground. He did not shoot until all that happened and even then the person he shot was still facing him. What exactly about him calling for help before he acted don't you understand? What part of he was physically attacked don't you understand? hell if he hadn't been armed he might have been beaten even worse or killed.

"All he did was approach"

B.S.

 

[Amelia]

The George Zimmerman the Press Doesnt Want You to Know

Isn't Reuters "the Press"?

 

[Dr Grump]

How odd that the crime rate in DC sky rocketed when they ramped up gun laws.

How odd that crime rates are lower in the US in places where everybody is armed.

In other words, you're full of shit.

you might want to rethink who is full of shit around here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

 

[koshergrl]

How odd that the crime rate in DC sky rocketed when they ramped up gun laws.

How odd that crime rates are lower in the US in places where everybody is armed.

In other words, you're full of shit.

you might want to rethink who is full of shit around here...

Crime in Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't do wikipedia.

Particularly when it conflicts with the CDC.

"Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

"
In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence. References and key findings are listed (Table)."

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

 

[Triton]

Who cares about the militia.

The 2nd amendment simply states that a well regulated one is necessary for the security of a free state.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed is the statement that keeps the psychopathic control freaks from disarming us.


Oh, and England along with its massive surveillance sucks.

 

[Dr Grump]

How odd that the crime rate in DC sky rocketed when they ramped up gun laws.

How odd that crime rates are lower in the US in places where everybody is armed.

In other words, you're full of shit.

you might want to rethink who is full of shit around here...

Crime in Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't do wikipedia.

Particularly when it conflicts with the CDC.

"Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

"
In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence. References and key findings are listed (Table)."

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The stats from Wiki are from the FBI...

From your own link:
"Bans on specified firearms or ammunition. Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

Maybe you should read your link before posting it...

 

[Amelia]

Zimmerman is probably a nice guy.

But he looked at himself as a self appointed protector of the neighborhood. You stepped on his turf and you were a suspect....especially if you were a black teen

Nothing wrong with that either, as long as he called the police and reported it. Where he crossed the line is when he left his truck with a pistol. At that point, he became a vigilante. He never should have gotten within a hundred feet of the kid.

At that point, it is Martin who has the right to stand his ground, it is Martin who has the right to be left alone and it is Martin who has the right to defend himself

Actually I do not think he was self appointed I think he was part of a group supported by the Sanford PD.

City of Sanford Florida Police Department

Zimmerman went against the advice of the police liaison who helped his neighborhood set up their watch.

 

[koshergrl]

you might want to rethink who is full of shit around here...

Crime in Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't do wikipedia.

Particularly when it conflicts with the CDC.

"Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

"
In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence. References and key findings are listed (Table)."

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The stats from Wiki are from the FBI...

From your own link:
"Bans on specified firearms or ammunition. Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

Maybe you should read your link before posting it...

You fucking idiot, I quoted that.

INCONSISTENT. Doesn't prove one way or the other.

Which illuminates your statement as a flat out lie.

 

[koshergrl]

Zimmerman is probably a nice guy.

But he looked at himself as a self appointed protector of the neighborhood. You stepped on his turf and you were a suspect....especially if you were a black teen

Nothing wrong with that either, as long as he called the police and reported it. Where he crossed the line is when he left his truck with a pistol. At that point, he became a vigilante. He never should have gotten within a hundred feet of the kid.

At that point, it is Martin who has the right to stand his ground, it is Martin who has the right to be left alone and it is Martin who has the right to defend himself

Actually I do not think he was self appointed I think he was part of a group supported by the Sanford PD.

City of Sanford Florida Police Department

Zimmerman went against the advice of the police liaison who helped his neighborhood set up their watch.

Police liaison?
Seriously?

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. By all accounts, he was walking away. ALL ACCOUNTS.

911 operators aren't cops. They aren't cop liaisons. They're 911 operators. There's a difference. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you know what the FUCK you're talking about? hmmmmmmm?

 

[Dr Grump]

don't do wikipedia.

Particularly when it conflicts with the CDC.

"Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

"
In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence References and key findings are listed (First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The stats from Wiki are from the FBI...

From your own link:
"Bans on specified firearms or ammunition. Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

Maybe you should read your link before posting it...

You fucking idiot, I quoted that.

INCONSISTENT. Doesn't prove one way or the other.

Which illuminates your statement as a flat out lie.

God, sarcasm is lost on you isn't it? I must remember I have to spell everything out for you...

Talk about idiots: You say "How odd that crime rates are lower in the US in places where everybody is armed."

You then post a statement that says the stats are inconsistent (ie don't prove it one way or another)..

So which is correct, your first or second statement? (you see, this is a rhetorical question ((rhetorical means that I already know the answer but am posing the question for shits and giggles)), because your first statement followed by the second shows you haven't got a clue what you are talking about).

 

[Peach]

Actually I do not think he was self appointed I think he was part of a group supported by the Sanford PD.

City of Sanford Florida Police Department

Zimmerman went against the advice of the police liaison who helped his neighborhood set up their watch.

Police liaison?
Seriously?


Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. By all accounts, he was walking away. ALL ACCOUNTS.

911 operators aren't cops. They aren't cop liaisons. They're 911 operators. There's a difference. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you know what the FUCK you're talking about? hmmmmmmm?

Walking away as he shot the victim in the chest? he was FOUND standing over the victim, no CPR, just straddling him.

 

[Dr Grump]

Actually I do not think he was self appointed I think he was part of a group supported by the Sanford PD.

City of Sanford Florida Police Department

Zimmerman went against the advice of the police liaison who helped his neighborhood set up their watch.

Police liaison?
Seriously?

Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. By all accounts, he was walking away. ALL ACCOUNTS.

911 operators aren't cops. They aren't cop liaisons. They're 911 operators. There's a difference. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you know what the FUCK you're talking about? hmmmmmmm?

What do you mean ALL accounts.....As far as I'm aware there is only one witness plus Zimmerman....

 

[koshergrl]

you might want to rethink who is full of shit around here...

Crime in Washington, D.C. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

don't do wikipedia.

Particularly when it conflicts with the CDC.

"Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

"
In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence. References and key findings are listed (Table)."

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

The stats from Wiki are from the FBI...

From your own link:
"Bans on specified firearms or ammunition. Results of studies of firearms and ammunition bans were inconsistent: certain studies indicated decreases in violence associated with bans, and others indicated increases."

Maybe you should read your link before posting it...

Thanks, I'll take the CDC reports over the FBI.

Not that I trust that they really are from the FBI, but I don't do wiki. It's not a reliable source, and people who use it, particularly when they never use anything else, are pathetic. You are now officially on the level of Dragon.

Though admittedly, you are doing better than rightwinger at this point in time, who claims any supporting evidence is to be dismissed as it is verification that the person who provides it doesn't know what they're talking about. That's right! Verify your statements with supporting evidence, use citations and references, and it's proof you don't know what you're talking about!

Sorry, that floors me. Anyway, the cdc stats are better. If you want to post the fbi stats I bet they don't even come close to proving what you said. Because I do believe they get their numbers from the CDC. Almost everybody does.

 

[Dr Grump]

Zimmerman went against the advice of the police liaison who helped his neighborhood set up their watch.

Police liaison?
Seriously?


Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. By all accounts, he was walking away. ALL ACCOUNTS.

911 operators aren't cops. They aren't cop liaisons. They're 911 operators. There's a difference. Perhaps you should refrain from commenting until you know what the FUCK you're talking about? hmmmmmmm?

Walking away as he shot the victim in the chest? he was FOUND standing over the victim, no CPR, just straddling him.

Yeah, poor widdle Zimmerman. He was so scared, he stalked the guy, got out of his vehicle and confronted the guy. He musta been really scared...

 

[Salt Jones]

The media has now created "White Hispanics?"

Unbelieveable...

Ever been to Spain, Cuba, Mexico, Argentina, etc?

 

[koshergrl]

White hispanics weren't created by the media, they were created by your fed government, as a way to track hispanics getting foodstamps.

For a while, hispanic was a race definition, but hispanics still chose black or white, so they had to add the ethnicity coding to get a more accurate picture of who is applying for foodstamps.

Also I do believe the different races have organic racial distinctions...eye orbits, skeletal structure, and such. Hispanics do not, other than whatever race (not Hispanic origin) they take after.

Thank you federal government for helping us to eliminate racial lines, by making them more important.