The Founders Would Not Recognize Originalism, Why Should We?

America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. "not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will". What Pope? Me? Where did mob rule enter the discussion? What inferior people, Constitutionalists?
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.

"Self appointed supremacy document?" Could you possibly be any more of an America hating douchebag?
Constitutionazis Slurping and Drooling

An 18th Century document that empowers an oligarchy doesn't stand for America. It stands in America's way. Could you possibly be any more of a suck-up to the status quo?
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. "not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will". What Pope? Me? Where did mob rule enter the discussion? What inferior people, Constitutionalists?
Puppets Programmed by the Plutocracy: Why They Allowed This Copycat Internet

Typical Netwit dodge. Pretend you're confused because you can't handle forbidden perspectives.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.

"Self appointed supremacy document?" Could you possibly be any more of an America hating douchebag?
Constitutionazis Slurping and Drooling

An 18th Century document that empowers an oligarchy doesn't stand for America. It stands in America's way. Could you possibly be any more of a suck-up to the status quo?

Deal with child. It is what makes us who we are.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.

"Self appointed supremacy document?" Could you possibly be any more of an America hating douchebag?
Constitutionazis Slurping and Drooling

An 18th Century document that empowers an oligarchy doesn't stand for America. It stands in America's way. Could you possibly be any more of a suck-up to the status quo?

Denigrating the Constitution indicates only that you're a worthless piece of shit who isn't worth talking to.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.

"Self appointed supremacy document?" Could you possibly be any more of an America hating douchebag?
Constitutionazis Slurping and Drooling

An 18th Century document that empowers an oligarchy doesn't stand for America. It stands in America's way. Could you possibly be any more of a suck-up to the status quo?
we allege to subscribe to Capitalism. only lousy management stands in America's way.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
Inferior People Have a Pathetic Need to Feel Superior to the Majority

Americans should make their own political decisions, not be tied down for centuries by shallow and primitive aristocratic ideas from the horse-and-buggy era. You want to be some entitled bully bossing everybody around by telling us we can't ask only whether some proposal is good for the country, but first have to check with some self-appointed supremacy document. Believing that majority rule is "mob rule" is the lowest form of self-glorifying treason. If you don't like what the majority thinks, the only option you should be allowed is to try to persuade us to change our opinions, not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will.
I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make. "not to play some infallible Pope forcing us to bend to your will". What Pope? Me? Where did mob rule enter the discussion? What inferior people, Constitutionalists?
Puppets Programmed by the Plutocracy: Why They Allowed This Copycat Internet

Typical Netwit dodge. Pretend you're confused because you can't handle forbidden perspectives.
some on the left call it, crony capitalism.
 
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What do historians make of originalism? Jack Rakove, the Stanford historian and one of the foremost experts on the revolutionary era, argues that there wasn’t just one meaning of the Constitution at the time it was written and then ratified, but rather the founders had disagreements among themselves over its meaning.

He points to the great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Marshall, who wrote that “historians can never forget that it is a debate they are interpreting.”

The inability to recognize the extent to which the Founding Fathers argued among themselves is a major flaw in the conservative case for originalism since it is dependent on the theory that people in the 18th century shared a common interpretation of the Constitution.

In fact, they did not, as one of the earliest debates over the meaning of the Constitution shows.

The Founders Would Not Recognize Originalism—Why Should We?

Swish ...

The founding fathers didn't say that 5/9 could change the Constitution. They said 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4 could. Epic fail
 
Our federal Constitution was, intelligently designed, to be Both, gender and race neutral, from Inception.
Disagree. It was a document for white men with property.
right wing Intelligence?

They Wrote the federal doctrine, after the Declaration of Independence.

They had to work with what they had at the time.
The constitution was written to preserve the wealth of the elite. Jefferson believed in the self-government of the educated and property (slave) owning white male.

Jacksonian democracy broadened the message to the ill educated and laboring classes ... of white males.
That was what they had to work with; what they Wrote, was something else, from Inception.
They didn't have some requirement to limit the vote to the minority of property owners. They believed that only the educated and moneyed should vote. Both Adams and Jefferson thought that. So did Washington.

Swish.

They thought land owners should be able to vote. It didn't matter how you established yourself. Hard work was sufficient, lying dick
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.
 
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What do historians make of originalism? Jack Rakove, the Stanford historian and one of the foremost experts on the revolutionary era, argues that there wasn’t just one meaning of the Constitution at the time it was written and then ratified, but rather the founders had disagreements among themselves over its meaning.

He points to the great Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Marshall, who wrote that “historians can never forget that it is a debate they are interpreting.”

The inability to recognize the extent to which the Founding Fathers argued among themselves is a major flaw in the conservative case for originalism since it is dependent on the theory that people in the 18th century shared a common interpretation of the Constitution.

In fact, they did not, as one of the earliest debates over the meaning of the Constitution shows.

The Founders Would Not Recognize Originalism—Why Should We?
Here is what the founders wouldn't recognize:

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IT'S ALIVE!!! IT'S ALIVE!!!

They deliberately made the Amendment process difficult.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.
The Supreme Court of the United States has been interpreting the Constitution on a case-by-case basis for 230 years.

In doing so, it is a Last Line of Defense against despotism in the Oval Office.

But thank you for your feedback anyway...
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.

It's almost as though they included a process for changing the Constitution because they DIDN'T want it "changing by interpretation".
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.
The Supreme Court of the United States has been interpreting the Constitution on a case-by-case basis for 230 years.

In doing so, it is a Last Line of Defense against despotism in the Oval Office.

But thank you for your feedback anyway...

So you figure that wrong becomes right if you just do it long enough?
 
I don't think the founders would have any issues with how the Constitution has held up over the last couple hundred years. The Constitution put in place ways to deal with an over bearing judiciary if needed. For example, if the courts were to water down free speech or freedom of the press through interpretation in way the people of the country found objectionable, a constitutional amendment could be used to deal with the situation and the courts would be powerless to stop it if enacted by the proper process. Or, like prohibition, an amendment can be used to change or repeal a prior amendment that the people find objectionable.

I have always thought that the prohibition battle was very similar to modern day anti 2nd amendment arguments. I think we can all agree that consumption of alcohol has been responsible for countless deaths over the years. Yet, the effort to prohibit it did not last very long. It was simply, for better or for worse, too much part of the culture to stop. Same with guns. There number of gun owners and the long tradition of gun ownership makes any change to the second amendment unlikely. In fact, I think if it were to be limited by the courts beyond a certain point, I could see an amendment designed to expand the second amendment gaining steam. It all depends on the will of the people to make whatever change they ultimately see fit.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.
The Supreme Court of the United States has been interpreting the Constitution on a case-by-case basis for 230 years.

In doing so, it is a Last Line of Defense against despotism in the Oval Office.

But thank you for your feedback anyway...

The Supreme Court has been a mechanism for moving this country irreversibly towards totalitarianism.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.

Fuck the change by interpretation. That's not how it's supposed to work. the Founding Fathers sure as hell wouldn't be fine with it.

It's almost as though they included a process for changing the Constitution because they DIDN'T want it "changing by interpretation".

The arguments for the so-called "living Constitution" are all beyond stupid.
 
America did not happen by accident. Without the Constitution as the guiding document and the STRICT interpretation of it, America would be Northern Mexico.
The Constitution of the United States is Evolutionary in nature, not Stagnant.

Its interpretation changes to match the changing needs of The People and their Republic.

The Founding Fathers would be just fine with that; most would probably applaud that.

And for the handful who would not be fine with that, we'll just have to settle for disagreeing at a distance of 230 years or so.
Have you heard about the amendment process?
 

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