The federal government has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport. NONE.

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What does the Constitution have to say about defending the sovereignty of the country?

In 1787 it was NOT understood that the federal government was going to represent a the government.

It was then understood that thirteen sovereign states were forming a federal union with SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS.

None of the aliens come here with the intention to take over and harm us.

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada and there was no harm caused.


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Incorrect.

The authority of the Federal government and its supremacy was given directly by the people, not the states, who are subordinate to the Federal government. Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee (1816).

 

[Listening]

Oh, as the House will tell you, "stfu" and let us deal with this, Conty. You have your own legal worries."

Even though you are a low life communist scumbag I would defend you if the federal government tries to deport you.


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In his case, let it go......

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Consequently, the states are subject to Federal immigration law, the states have no authority whatsoever to interfere with that law, and the states have no authority to 'grant' citizenship to immigrants, particularly those undocumented.

 

[Listening]

What does the Constitution have to say about defending the sovereignty of the country?

In 1787 it was NOT understood that the federal government was going to represent a the government.

It was then understood that thirteen sovereign states were forming a federal union with SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS.

None of the aliens come here with the intention to take over and harm us.

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada and there was no harm caused.


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Incorrect.

The authority of the Federal government and its supremacy was given directly by the people, not the states, who are subordinate to the Federal government. Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee (1816).

This is a case involving a treaty....something clearly within the scope of the federal government.

Supremacy is only within a limited scope.

 

[Listening]

Consequently, the states are subject to Federal immigration law, the states have no authority whatsoever to interfere with that law, and the states have no authority to 'grant' citizenship to immigrants, particularly those undocumented.

Correct.

Does not mean states can't pass laws to further enforce existing laws.

Especially when the Affirmative Action Failure of a POTUS won't.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

This is a point many have made. The tenth amendment gives the states, not the feds, authority to deport illegals. So how did the feds get it? They just grabbed it and the states let them.

States need to stand up and start deporting illegals. The constitution is on their side.

 

[Contumacious]

So, because Jefferson said it, it has to be true?

Fucking idiot. The Federal government doesn't just have authority to deport illegals, it has a positive duty to get them the fuck out as quickly as possible.

OK Dingle Berry,

let me teach how to debate

your response should have stated that


Article ________, Section ___________ Clause ________ states that the federal government has the authority to interdict, detain and deport.

Don't quote the KKK Bylaws nor the rules of the welfare state.


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The Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law. “But that's not in the Constitution” is a failed and ignorant 'argument.'

Amazing how the dingle berries proclaim to know more that the FATHER of the Constitution , James Madison and Founding Father and 3rd President Thomas Jefferson.

"That the General Assembly doth particularly protest against the palpable and alarming infractions of the Constitution, in the two late cases of the "Alien and Sedition Acts" passed at the last session of Congress; the first of which exercises a power no where delegated to the federal government, and which by uniting legislative and judicial powers to those of executive, subverts the general principles of free government; as well as the particular organization, and positive provisions of the federal constitution; and the other of which acts, exercises in like manner, a power not delegated by the constitution, but on the contrary, expressly and positively forbidden by one of the amendments thereto; a power, which more than any other, ought to produce universal alarm, because it is levelled against that right of freely examining public characters and measures, and of free communication among the people thereon, which has ever been justly deemed, the only effectual guardian of every other right."

James Madison

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[westwall]

What does the Constitution have to say about defending the sovereignty of the country?

In 1787 it was NOT understood that the federal government was going to represent a the government.

It was then understood that thirteen sovereign states were forming a federal union with SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS.

None of the aliens come here with the intention to take over and harm us.

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada and there was no harm caused.


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They don't? Hmmm, La Raza sure seems to be intent on that very thing....

Bullshit.

They are merely reacting to neonazi skin heads dogma.

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No, they are ignoring the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo where after defeating the Mexicans in the 1847 war, we then purchased that which we had taken. Something no country before, or since has ever done. They think we are squatters on their land. They are wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are not squatters on Mexican land: we bought it after the war.

The EO can't be touched: the protection part of the President's power; the financing is self funding, out of reach of Congress; the 5 million are protected by the federal law, and untouchable as illegals to the state governments.

Here in Utah, one of the great red states, much of the population supports immigration reform because of the LDS Church's stance "don't separate families."

Obama is probably not going to worry about the other 6.5 million.

 

[Contumacious]

4. Resolved, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the - day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson

Here is the US Code that covers illegal entry into the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

The US Code is valid only if authorized by an SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED Constitutional (1787) proviso.

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Incorrect.

The Constitution affords Congress powers both expressed and implied. McCulloch v. Maryland (1819).

Bullshit.

As previously stated


Nor have the several States surrendered the power of conferring these rights and privileges by adopting the Constitution of the United States. Each State may still confer them upon an alien, or any one it thinks proper, or upon any class or description of persons; yet he would not be a citizen in the sense in
[ 143 U.S. Page 160]
which that word is used in the Constitution of the United States,


BOYD v. NEBRASKA EX REL. THAYER., 12 S. Ct. 375, 143 U.S. 135 (U.S. 02/01/1892)


As stated the States NEVER gave up their right to control aliens within their borders, back then (1787) the states were sovereign.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Libertarian philosophy influences nothing, certainly not lawmakers.

Conty, cool down, kid. You will blow a gasket.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The EO can't be touched: the protection part of the President's power; the financing is self funding, out of reach of Congress; the 5 million are protected by the federal law, and untouchable as illegals to the state governments.

HAHAHA. Protected by federal law???? Federal law says just the opposite, you fool. THINK

 

[Contumacious]

4. Resolved, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the - day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson

Here is the US Code that covers illegal entry into the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

The US Code is valid only if authorized by an SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED Constitutional (1787) proviso.

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Are there any other US Codes that are invalid?

99.9 % , possibly more, of what the federal government does is UNConstitutional.

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Incorrect.

Acts of Congress are presumed to be Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise. US v. Morrison (2000).

Bullshit.


"But if the execution of the laws of the national government should not require the intervention of the State legislatures, if they were to pass into immediate operation upon the citizens themselves, the particular governments could not interrupt their progress without an open and violent exertion of an unconstitutional power. No omissions nor evasions would answer the end. They would be obliged to act, and in such a manner as would leave no doubt that they had encroached on the national rights. An experiment of this nature would always be hazardous in the face of a constitution in any degree competent to its own defense, and of a people enlightened enough to distinguish between a legal exercise and an illegal usurpation of authority. The success of it would require not merely a factious majority in the legislature, but the concurrence of the courts of justice and of the body of the people. If the judges were not embarked in a conspiracy with the legislature, they would pronounce the resolutions of such a majority to be contrary to the supreme law of the land, unconstitutional, and void. If the people were not tainted with the spirit of their State representatives, they, as the natural guardians of the Constitution, would throw their weight into the national scale and give it a decided preponderancy in the contest. Attempts of this kind would not often be made with levity or rashness, because they could seldom be made without danger to the authors, unless in cases of a tyrannical exercise of the federal authority."

Alexander Hamilton

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[Contumacious]

Here is the US Code that covers illegal entry into the US.

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien
Current through Pub. L. 113-185. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

The US Code is valid only if authorized by an SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED Constitutional (1787) proviso.

.

Are there any other US Codes that are invalid?

99.9 % , possibly more, of what the federal government does is UNConstitutional.

.

Incorrect.

Acts of Congress are presumed to be Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise. US v. Morrison (2000).

I wish I was smart enough to have said that. I hope you recognized the sarcasm in my question.

Sarcasm.........no.............stupidity , ignorass.....yes.

 

[Contumacious]

What does the Constitution have to say about defending the sovereignty of the country?

In 1787 it was NOT understood that the federal government was going to represent a the government.

It was then understood that thirteen sovereign states were forming a federal union with SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS.

None of the aliens come here with the intention to take over and harm us.

Prior to 1965 we had open borders with Mexico and Canada and there was no harm caused.


.

Incorrect.

The authority of the Federal government and its supremacy was given directly by the people, not the states, who are subordinate to the Federal government. Martin v. Hunter’s Lessee (1816).

True as to those areas where the federal government was given specific authority. No specific authority was granted as repeatedly shown hereinabove.

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[IlarMeilyr]

The OP is as right as acid rain.

NO nation has any legal or historical or moral right, authority or justification to prevent ANYBODY from entering their borders and moving right the fuck on in. NO nation has the sovereign right to such power. In fact, there are no such things as "borders." There is no such thing as "sovereignty." Indeed, there is no such thing as "nations."

The author of the completely sub-moronic OP has difficulty with such things as rationality, reality and using forks. He has long been a total fuckin' moron. He really IS Confusedatious.

 

[saveliberty]

I think they have a right to a hearing, so you bring forth the body and have a hearing. Not sure why you have to bring the dead guy?

 

[Contumacious]

The OP is as right as acid rain.

NO nation has any legal or historical or moral right, authority or justification to prevent ANYBODY from entering their borders and moving right the fuck on in. NO nation has the sovereign right to such power. In fact, there are no such things as "borders." There is no such thing as "sovereignty." Indeed, there is no such thing as "nations."

The author of the completely sub-moronic OP has difficulty with such things as rationality, reality and using forks. He has long been a total fuckin' moron. He really IS Confusedatious.

Of course, the cum swallower did not, and could not refute the historical evidence showing that the Founding Fathers left the matter of aliens to the THEN sovereign individual states. He /it is happy and proud to show that he is an ignorass.


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[TooTall]

The US Code is valid only if authorized by an SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED Constitutional (1787) proviso.

.

Are there any other US Codes that are invalid?

99.9 % , possibly more, of what the federal government does is UNConstitutional.

.

Incorrect.

Acts of Congress are presumed to be Constitutional until the Supreme Court rules otherwise. US v. Morrison (2000).

I wish I was smart enough to have said that. I hope you recognized the sarcasm in my question.

Sarcasm.........no.............stupidity , ignorass.....yes.

I know when I use sarcasm, and if I want any shit out of you I will scrape it off of your teeth.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The OP is as right as acid rain.

NO nation has any legal or historical or moral right, authority or justification to prevent ANYBODY from entering their borders and moving right the fuck on in. NO nation has the sovereign right to such power. In fact, there are no such things as "borders." There is no such thing as "sovereignty." Indeed, there is no such thing as "nations."

The author of the completely sub-moronic OP has difficulty with such things as rationality, reality and using forks. He has long been a total fuckin' moron. He really IS Confusedatious.

Of course, the cum swallower did not, and could not refute the historical evidence showing that the Founding Fathers left the matter of aliens to the THEN sovereign individual states. He /it is happy and proud to show that he is an ignorass.


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Naturally, the always dishonest hack bitch Confusedatious, ignores the constitution which vests the legislative branch alone with authority over naturalization. Confuzedatious is deliberately dishonest and a completely ignorant twat.