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That's why those five people died.
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect had visited FBI office in Alaska last year
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
He was a clear danger to society. Mentally unstable and pledging himself to terrorist cause. He should had been locked up or committed into a mental ward.
Really? He was "pledging himself to ISIS"? Do you have a link for that?
Oh, and he was taken into custody for a mental health evaluation. The medical professionals didn't see him as a threat.
Unless a person is an eminent threat to himself or others, you can't just lock them up.
He said voices were telling him to fight for ISIS.
The article linked in the OP does not say that.
Once again, do you have a link for that?
Triage.How can you predict what an insane person will do?
Most are not violent.
So what are you going to do?
Extremely unfair to blame the FBI for this. They cannot hold people if they haven't committed a crime. Being insane isn't a crime until they actually do something illegal.
These LEOs have to deal with functionally insane people all the time. It is not a solid indicator of future criminal behavior at all.Extremely unfair to blame the FBI for this. They cannot hold people if they haven't committed a crime. Being insane isn't a crime until they actually do something illegal.
They didn't even put him on the no-fly list. They dropped the ball big time.
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
He was a clear danger to society. Mentally unstable and pledging himself to terrorist cause. He should had been locked up or committed into a mental ward.
Really? He was "pledging himself to ISIS"? Do you have a link for that?
Oh, and he was taken into custody for a mental health evaluation. The medical professionals didn't see him as a threat.
Unless a person is an eminent threat to himself or others, you can't just lock them up.
He said voices were telling him to fight for ISIS.
The article linked in the OP does not say that.
Once again, do you have a link for that?
Federal law enforcement officials investigated Santiago last year. He told FBI agents that he heard voices in his head that told him to watch Islamic State materials, but he said he was in control and had no intention of hurting anyone, according to The New York Times.
Official: FLL shooter told FBI that gov't controlled his mind
Someone claiming they are being forced to watch ISIS videos should be locked up.
Extremely unfair to blame the FBI for this. They cannot hold people if they haven't committed a crime. Being insane isn't a crime until they actually do something illegal.
They didn't even put him on the no-fly list. They dropped the ball big time.
Has our society lost the concept of what innocense is?Put him on a no-fly list because he has mental problems? Lock him up too? lol
He didn't break any laws and he is not associated with any terrorist organization. There is no rason to put him on a no-fly list. Your monday morning quarterbacking is ridiculous.
Has our society lost the concept of what innocense is?Put him on a no-fly list because he has mental problems? Lock him up too? lol
He didn't break any laws and he is not associated with any terrorist organization. There is no rason to put him on a no-fly list. Your monday morning quarterbacking is ridiculous.
I ask seriously because I found the movie "Minority Report" and its idea of future crime prevention to be ghastly while most people I knew were quite comfortable with the idea, some even liked it.
But dont we have to actually break the law before being arrested for a crime?
Extremely unfair to blame the FBI for this. They cannot hold people if they haven't committed a crime. Being insane isn't a crime until they actually do something illegal.
They didn't even put him on the no-fly list. They dropped the ball big time.
Remember when Obama and Hillary wanted to ban anyone on the No-Fly list from owning a gun? Take away their rights without due process?Extremely unfair to blame the FBI for this. They cannot hold people if they haven't committed a crime. Being insane isn't a crime until they actually do something illegal.
They didn't even put him on the no-fly list. They dropped the ball big time.
The law should be changed so that mentally ill people can be committed and treated BEFORE they act out and kill people. At least half of these mass shootings are mentally ill people who didn't get help because the law doesn't allow their families to commit them.
The law should be changed so that mentally ill people can be committed and treated BEFORE they act out and kill people. At least half of these mass shootings are mentally ill people who didn't get help because the law doesn't allow their families to commit them.
And honestly...that's the devil of it.
It used to be people could be committed for life at the drop of a hat and now, it's a fight for families to get help for mentally ill adults who don't want it.
Where do you draw the line?
That's why those five people died.
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect had visited FBI office in Alaska last year
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
That's why those five people died.
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect had visited FBI office in Alaska last year
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
You are wrong. I am a mental health clinician who worked for years for County Mental Health in Virginia (Henrico and Hanover Counties).
Individuals can be civilly detained in Virginia and every other State in the Country based on their mental health status. Specially, if someone is a danger to self or others or unable to care for self due to mental illness or substance abuse.
If this guy presented at FBI headquarters obviously psychotic and deranged the FBI should have detained him and had a mental health professional evaluation him for possible involuntary hospitalization. The fact the fBI did not do this is clear evidence in my mind they fucked up....badly.
Yeah, it is a tough call to make.It is a tough call. I think we could work out laws that help families get people in for evaluation, without making it a total committal or without removing their rights.Where do you draw the line?
The law should be changed so that mentally ill people can be committed and treated BEFORE they act out and kill people. At least half of these mass shootings are mentally ill people who didn't get help because the law doesn't allow their families to commit them.
And honestly...that's the devil of it.
It used to be people could be committed for life at the drop of a hat and now, it's a fight for families to get help for mentally ill adults who don't want it.
Where do you draw the line?
The law should be changed so that mentally ill people can be committed and treated BEFORE they act out and kill people. At least half of these mass shootings are mentally ill people who didn't get help because the law doesn't allow their families to commit them.
And honestly...that's the devil of it.
It used to be people could be committed for life at the drop of a hat and now, it's a fight for families to get help for mentally ill adults who don't want it.
Where do you draw the line?
You are absolutely correct. The reason States have made if more difficult to get mental health treatment for those unable to make good decisions is because of money...plain and simple. Politicians pay lip service to mental health and demonize guns. But have no doubt...their mental health statements are 95% lip service.
Central State Psychiatric Hospital in Virginia had a 1000 patients in the early 90's when I was in graduate school. Tens years later the census was less than a 100...and that number included those the Courts deemed criminally insane.
So a State with a population of 8 million has only 100 people in a State Psychiatric Facility? Coyote...it's a fucking joke.....and virtually all States are doing exactly the same thing.
That's why those five people died.
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect had visited FBI office in Alaska last year
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
You are wrong. I am a mental health clinician who worked for years for County Mental Health in Virginia (Henrico and Hanover Counties).
Individuals can be civilly detained in Virginia and every other State in the Country based on their mental health status. Specially, if someone is a danger to self or others or unable to care for self due to mental illness or substance abuse.
If this guy presented at FBI headquarters obviously psychotic and deranged the FBI should have detained him and had a mental health professional evaluation him for possible involuntary hospitalization. The fact the fBI did not do this is clear evidence in my mind they fucked up....badly.
It might vary from state to state, but we had a very difficult time getting my brother help when he was psychotic. Being psychotic in and of itself wasn't enough. What's more - he could hold himself together long enough, to avoid hospitalization when he needed to. It was very very difficult. I don't think the FBI is mandated to determine these things nor do I think they are qualified. A lot of people can talk of violent ideation, but they never act on it.
That's why those five people died.
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect had visited FBI office in Alaska last year
Did the man break any laws or present himself as a danger?
Because contrary to your fantasies, you can't just lock people up because you think they are crazy. They have to actually BREAK THE LAW.
Now, there was a time when you COULD put someone away if they presented as too crazy. But Reagan did away with that shit.
So spare me the "The FBI let him go, that is why those 5 people died". The FBI has to have an actual reason to hold someone.
You are wrong. I am a mental health clinician who worked for years for County Mental Health in Virginia (Henrico and Hanover Counties).
Individuals can be civilly detained in Virginia and every other State in the Country based on their mental health status. Specially, if someone is a danger to self or others or unable to care for self due to mental illness or substance abuse.
If this guy presented at FBI headquarters obviously psychotic and deranged the FBI should have detained him and had a mental health professional evaluation him for possible involuntary hospitalization. The fact the FBI did not do this is clear evidence in my mind they fucked up....badly.
