The Electoral College

[talksalot]

Bill Clinton won his first presidential race with only 43% of the popular vote. Donald Trump was closer to 48%.

Liberals want to do away with the electoral college so that California alone can decide the outcome of presidential elections. That's exactly what the Founders wisely prevented with the electoral college. Allowing one large, highly populated liberal state to elect the president isn't representative democracy.

 

[cnm]

we are a republic not a democracy.

You are both. I don't know where your knee jerk response comes from, certainly not a dictionary.

 

[cnm]

You already have proportional representation in the House and unfortunately the Senate.

Surely the Senate is a flat two Senators per state, the very antithesis of proportional representation. What the fuck are you guys taught in school?

 

[Esmeralda]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

Bullshit. The Electoral College was designed for an agrarian society. It gives people in rural areas more voting power than those in urban areas. People in the US in rural areas tend to be less educated, more religious, more bigoted due to their limited life experience, and more conservative than those in urban areas.

In 1790, 95% of the US population lived in rural areas. Only 5% lived in urban areas. Today, 75% of the population lives in urban areas and only 25 percent live in rural areas. When you give those 25% more than one vote per person, you end up with less educated, conservative, religious, bigoted people having more say as to who becomes president.

That is why in the past two elections where the electoral college decided the election rather than the popular vote, we have ended up with Republican presidents. The Electoral College skews the results in favor of the Right. This is not the scenario the founded fathers envisioned: they did not envision skewing the election to favor one side.

https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

 

[cnm]

Bill Clinton won his first presidential race with only 43% of the popular vote. Donald Trump was closer to 48%.

I see why you guys don't back up your assertions with cites. Smh.

Trump has 46.5 percent of the popular vote
http://www.politicususa.com​

Hillary Clinton won a total of 65,844,610 votes ― 48.2 percent ― compared with Trump’s 62,979,636 votes ― 46.1 percent
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/​

 

[Fang]

This thread just proves that Liberals are the dumbest people on the planet. lol

 

[Bush92]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

A system born out of compromise to ensure the rights of states against the potential of a national government seizing power over the people.

 

[Issa]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

 

[Esmeralda]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

 

[imawhosure]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

 

[August West]

This thread just proves that Liberals are the dumbest people on the planet. lol

Because they thought that Mexico would buy them a wall to cower behind? You seem to be a bit confused.

 

[longknife]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

The president and senators were never meant to be elected by the general population.

Read your history.

 

[Issa]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.

You're implying that Trump should have been awarded NY's electoral votes. That's fucking daft.

No, that was your inference. So, should Trump have been awarded PA's electoral votes?

Then why did the OP bring it up? He presumably was trying to make some sort of point.

I imagine because he does not feel that all power should be vested in urban centers, most which are shit holes anyway. (my commentary)

Then you are against democratic government, and one person one vote.

This Country is a Republican and never promised one person one vote EVER.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

we are a republic not a democracy.

You are both. I don't know where your knee jerk response comes from, certainly not a dictionary.

We were never a pure democracy we are a REPRESENTATIVE Republic as in each State gets represented.

 

[asaratis]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

Bullshit. The Electoral College was designed for an agrarian society. It gives people in rural areas more voting power than those in urban areas. People in the US in rural areas tend to be less educated, more religious, more bigoted due to their limited life experience, and more conservative than those in urban areas.

In 1790, 95% of the US population lived in rural areas. Only 5% lived in urban areas. Today, 75% of the population lives in urban areas and only 25 percent live in rural areas. When you give those 25% more than one vote per person, you end up with less educated, conservative, religious, bigoted people having more say as to who becomes president.

That is why in the past two elections where the electoral college decided the election rather than the popular vote, we have ended up with Republican presidents. The Electoral College skews the results in favor of the Right. This is not the scenario the founded fathers envisioned: they did not envision skewing the election to favor one side.

https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

Nice try, but NO CIGAR!

Your last claim has a bit of truth in it. The Electoral College, more often than not, saves the rural areas from the large urban areas because the large urban areas are infested with LIBERAL USEFUL IDIOTS! Liberal useful idiots always vote for Democrats!

However, the founding fathers had no idea that liberal useful idiots would flock together in big cities. They evidently wrongly assumed that some would be hard working farmers and ranch hands.

You are a liberal useful idiot.

 

[asaratis]

we are a republic not a democracy.

You are both. I don't know where your knee jerk response comes from, certainly not a dictionary.

A democratic republic does not adhere to true democracy where majority rules in every vote. This would allow MOB RULE which the founding fathers recognized as deplorable. The fact that we are a democratic republic dictates that the populace will be allowed to vote, unlike in dictatorships and kingdoms.

 

[asaratis]

The only reason the RW'ers make the silly 'counties' argument, or reference, is that rural counties are more likely to vote Republican than urban counties.

There is nothing else going on there.

They are feeding your sorry ass.

 

[asaratis]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

Surely you jest. California is going broke...pampering all of its illegal aliens. California is a shithole.

Only two good things come from California: Walnuts and wine!

 

[frigidweirdo]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

Bullshit. The Electoral College was designed for an agrarian society. It gives people in rural areas more voting power than those in urban areas. People in the US in rural areas tend to be less educated, more religious, more bigoted due to their limited life experience, and more conservative than those in urban areas.

In 1790, 95% of the US population lived in rural areas. Only 5% lived in urban areas. Today, 75% of the population lives in urban areas and only 25 percent live in rural areas. When you give those 25% more than one vote per person, you end up with less educated, conservative, religious, bigoted people having more say as to who becomes president.

That is why in the past two elections where the electoral college decided the election rather than the popular vote, we have ended up with Republican presidents. The Electoral College skews the results in favor of the Right. This is not the scenario the founded fathers envisioned: they did not envision skewing the election to favor one side.

https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

Nice try, but NO CIGAR!

Your last claim has a bit of truth in it. The Electoral College, more often than not, saves the rural areas from the large urban areas because the large urban areas are infested with LIBERAL USEFUL IDIOTS! Liberal useful idiots always vote for Democrats!

However, the founding fathers had no idea that liberal useful idiots would flock together in big cities. They evidently wrongly assumed that some would be hard working farmers and ranch hands.

You are a liberal useful idiot.

The electoral college wasn't designed to give power to rural areas. It was designed so that the states would remain states and the Federal govt would have less power. Things have changed.