The Electoral College

[asaratis]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

Check it out, bonehead! California is third from the fucking BOTTOM OF THE LIST!

Average IQ BELOW 100!

Average IQ by State: Honest Numbers at Last | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform

 

[frigidweirdo]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

Surely you jest. California is going broke...pampering all of its illegal aliens. California is a shithole.

Only two good things come from California: Walnuts and wine!

I think people could go on all day about how each state sucks. It doesn't matter.

 

[Markle]

The Electoral College is fair to all concerned and here to stay. It is in our Constitution, PERIOD.

Lots of luck in getting a constitutional amendment passed the House, the Senate and approved by the requisite number of states.

Grow up and concern yourself with issues that matter and are within your control.

 

[asaratis]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

 

[frigidweirdo]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

Check it out, bonehead! California is third from the fucking BOTTOM OF THE LIST!

Average IQ BELOW 100!

Average IQ by State: Honest Numbers at Last | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform

With two Republican states at the bottom.

Not only Republican states, but Louisiana is the state that likes to lock the most people up too. Oh, and has the highest murder rate in the country.

 

[frigidweirdo]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

Are you saying Republican big cities aren't shit holes too?

 

[asaratis]

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

Are you saying Republican big cities aren't shit holes too?

Name some, I'll let you know what I think of them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

Are you saying Republican big cities aren't shit holes too?

Name some, I'll let you know what I think of them.

Well this is the problem, isn't it?

The US has partisan politics. There are only two parties.

Inner cities are areas where people often fled rural poverty and they ended up in shitty jobs with not much future other than drug dealing. They have shit education, they have no hope. They vote Democrat because the Democrats have presented themselves as the people of poverty, the lower classes etc, while the Republicans have presented themselves as the party of the rich and selfish.

It's simplified politics. It's like Coca-Cola and Pepsi presenting themselves as something. A Pepsi drinker is this kind of person and Coca-Cola person is this type of person, and yet they're both drinking sugary crap.

You're trying to make out that somehow the Democrats control these cities, therefore it's the Democrat's fault that inner cities are shitholes.

My argument would be that PARTISAN POLITICS is responsible for this. The two parties are more interested in "winning". The Republicans do nothing for the poor, so the poor don't vote for them. The Democrats do nothing for the poor but tell people they do.

The poor get fucked over and poor areas are shitty areas.

The Republicans make sure that guns are prevalent, education is weak, opportunities are poor, and the Democrats don't really do anything to stop this shit, and they don't really try and help the poor either.

So, inner cities are generally Democrat, but that doesn't mean that Republican politics don't have an impact on those areas. They're not separated from the rest of society.

 

[Esmeralda]

This is why the Electoral College remains an important part of our Presidential election system.




In their infinite wisdom, the founders of our country created a

structure called the "Electoral College" as a control system and to

ensure the individual states were fairly represented. Otherwise one

or two densely populated areas would speak for the whole of the

nation. It was not created as a device to favor Democrats,

Republicans, Whigs, Tories or any other political affiliation. It

was created as a system of "checks and balances" to guard against

any small vocal area, with a specific agenda, speaking for the whole of the nation.


The following list of statistics should put an end to the argument

as to why the Electoral College makes sense.


THERE ARE 3,141 COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.


TRUMP WON 3,084 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 57.


THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.


CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE BY APPROX. 1.5 MILLION VOTES.


IN THE 5 COUNTIES THAT ENCOMPASS NYC (BRONX, BROOKLYN, MANHATTAN,RICHMOND & QUEENS) CLINTON RECEIVED WELL OVER 2 MILLION MORE VOTES THAN TRUMP.


IN OTHER WORDS, THESE FIVE (5) COUNTIES ALONE, MORE THAN ACCOUNTED FOR CLINTON WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!!


THESE 5 COUNTIES COMPRISE 319 SQUARE MILES.

THE UNITED STATES IS COMPRISED OF 3,797,000 SQUARE MILES.


WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT ENCOMPASSES ALMOST 4 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF TERRITORY, IT WOULD BE LUDICROUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE VOTE OF THOSE WHO INHABIT A MERE 319 SQUARE MILES SHOULD DICTATE THE OUTCOME OF A NATIONAL ELECTION.


LARGE, DENSELY POPULATED CITIES (NYC, CHICAGO, LA, ETC.) DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK FOR THE REST OF OUR COUNTRY...AND SOMEHOW THE GENIUSES WHO FOUNDED OUR COUNTRY UNDERSTOOD THIS AND CREATED A SYSTEM TO AVOID THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.


AND NOW YOU UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.


DO SHARE THIS... IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

Bullshit. The Electoral College was designed for an agrarian society. It gives people in rural areas more voting power than those in urban areas. People in the US in rural areas tend to be less educated, more religious, more bigoted due to their limited life experience, and more conservative than those in urban areas.

In 1790, 95% of the US population lived in rural areas. Only 5% lived in urban areas. Today, 75% of the population lives in urban areas and only 25 percent live in rural areas. When you give those 25% more than one vote per person, you end up with less educated, conservative, religious, bigoted people having more say as to who becomes president.

That is why in the past two elections where the electoral college decided the election rather than the popular vote, we have ended up with Republican presidents. The Electoral College skews the results in favor of the Right. This is not the scenario the founded fathers envisioned: they did not envision skewing the election to favor one side.

https://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/table-4.pdf

Nice try, but NO CIGAR!

Your last claim has a bit of truth in it. The Electoral College, more often than not, saves the rural areas from the large urban areas because the large urban areas are infested with LIBERAL USEFUL IDIOTS! Liberal useful idiots always vote for Democrats!

However, the founding fathers had no idea that liberal useful idiots would flock together in big cities. They evidently wrongly assumed that some would be hard working farmers and ranch hands.

You are a liberal useful idiot.

I doubt the founding fathers would be narrow minded, vicious and partisan, call anyone 'liberal idiots' or consider them infestations. They'd be appalled at the way you think. They were broad minded, forward thinking, intelligent, educated people, not men with dark ugly minds like you.

 

[Esmeralda]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

Look at yourself in the mirror. Want to see a piece of shit? That's where it is. You're calling everything else shit but the one thing that is, you and your dirty, ugly, vicious vision of reality.

What's funny is you don't know what it is really like in those places. You've probably never been out of your own muddly backyard. Sure there are problems. There are problems all over the world. You have no knowledge about the broader world and are filled with hate rather than awarenesss of true reality. Can't see past your own snotty nose.

 

[Thinker101]

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

People in urban areas are in general more educated, better informed and of higher intellect because of that. It is a complete and ridiculous lie that the average person in California has a low IQ and is mentally challenged. A ridiculous, ludicrous, self serving assertion. Such assertions are made by bigoted, ignorant, poorly informed individuals.

The reason it is the way it is-------->

Because the constitution was written to give the states the power, NOT the federal government.

Just listen to how schizophrenic leftists are-----------> Federal government can't tell states what to do today about illegal immigration.........and yet, they want the federal government to control the states. What?!?!?!?!?!?!

If the people across the country do what the leftists want, then the federal government gets to tell the states what they have to do, correct? Wait, wait, what do you mean you do not lika dat-)

Together, states have massive power, and we all know that leftism needs centralized authority as without it, the states can tell them to go pound sand. This is exactly why our elections are the way they are. To get the smaller states to sign on, they had to cut this deal. But of course, you leftists want to now break the contract, since things are not going your way.

The US meant and had to be seperate countries. California is progressive and moving forward, some other states are backwards and are still stuck in ice age. Why do we have to cather to them? Conservatives are first to say fuck the rest thr world, we wanna use their logic. Let us live our lives the way we want to. We like diversity, innovation, inclusion, compassion...you guys love to belittle others, bigots, racists. Lets seperate and see where your hatred will lead you to.

Look at where your fucked up liberal government has taken you. Look at Detroit. Look at New York and their communist Mayor. Look at Chicago. Every big liberal city in the nation is a shithole!

Look in the mirror. Want to see a piece of shit? That's where it is. You're calling everything else shit but the one thing that is, you and your dirty, ugly, vicious vision of reality.

Wow, sounds like you have a dark ugly mind.

 

[Issa]

why should one state, where the average IQ of a very concentrated area {Los Angeles}is lower than the IQ of mentally challenged guinea pig,,decide who will be the next president?,,thats what Hillary and Pelosi believe,,. You take California out of the picture, and Trump wins by a lot of votes !

If what you say is true, why are we richer than most of the red states with "high IQ"?
everyone moves here to. Better their life. I haven't heard someone did live California for NB, ND, TN or other flyover states.

Surely you jest. California is going broke...pampering all of its illegal aliens. California is a shithole.

Only two good things come from California: Walnuts and wine!

6th biggest economy in the world.
2nd busiest airport.
Biggest donor state.
17% of the US job growth in recent years and we are only 12% of the population.
California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on).
Silicone valley, tesla, you name it....without California the US is just bunch of houses and malls.

 

[tammy2364]

THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.

You're implying that Trump should have been awarded NY's electoral votes. That's fucking daft.

No, that was your inference. So, should Trump have been awarded PA's electoral votes?

Everyone I know in PA/Philly voted for Trump. But you do have the sanctuary city of Philadelphia with It’s Democratic Mayor, DA and a majority of City Council who I'm sure didn't vote for him.

 

[tammy2364]

THERE ARE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE.


TRUMP WON 46 OF THEM.

CLINTON WON 16.

You're implying that Trump should have been awarded NY's electoral votes. That's fucking daft.

No, that was your inference. So, should Trump have been awarded PA's electoral votes?

Everyone I know in PA/Philly voted for Trump. But you do have the sanctuary city of Philadelphia with It’s Democratic Mayor, DA and a majority of City Council who I'm sure didn't vote for him.

 

[talksalot]

The electoral college is based on the US being an agrarian society, something it no longer is. Today 62.7 percent of the US population lives in urban areas. The founding fathers did not foresee this. The electoral college favors rural areas and gives them more vote per person than people in urban areas. They are also as a population less educated than urban people. They also tend to be more conservative. This is the reason why the two elections in recent times where someone has won the presidency not by the popular vote but by the electoral college have gone to Republicans. Of course Republicans favor keeping the electoral college, not because it is the 'right' thing to do, not because the US is a republic rather than a democracy, but because it favors conservatives over liberals. It's like affirmative action, which they hate. It is affirmative action for conservatives.

The electoral college doesn't take into account what you do for a living or your education or whether you're a liberal or conservative. It simply gives equal voice to those living in smaller states.
Two elements of the “Great Compromise” among the large and small states led to the ratification of the Constitution. A House of Representatives would reflect the popular vote—disadvantaging the small states—but a Senate would give the small states equal representation with the large ones.

This idea was carried through to the Electoral College, where each state’s allocation of electoral votes is simply the total of its representation in the House and Senate. This again gave the smaller states some additional power in the important choice of the president.

Leaving aside the fact that a deal is a deal, there are very practical reasons why we will always need the Electoral College under our current constitutional system.

Bill Clinton won both presidential elections with less of the popular vote than Donald Trump received.

 

[Spare_change]

The electoral college is based on the US being an agrarian society, something it no longer is. Today 62.7 percent of the US population lives in urban areas. The founding fathers did not foresee this. The electoral college favors rural areas and gives them more vote per person than people in urban areas. They are also as a population less educated than urban people. They also tend to be more conservative. This is the reason why the two elections in recent times where someone has won the presidency not by the popular vote but by the electoral college have gone to Republicans. Of course Republicans favor keeping the electoral college, not because it is the 'right' thing to do, not because the US is a republic rather than a democracy, but because it favors conservatives over liberals. It's like affirmative action, which they hate. It is affirmative action for conservatives.

Utter nonsense.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The electoral college is based on the US being an agrarian society, something it no longer is. Today 62.7 percent of the US population lives in urban areas. The founding fathers did not foresee this. The electoral college favors rural areas and gives them more vote per person than people in urban areas. They are also as a population less educated than urban people. They also tend to be more conservative. This is the reason why the two elections in recent times where someone has won the presidency not by the popular vote but by the electoral college have gone to Republicans. Of course Republicans favor keeping the electoral college, not because it is the 'right' thing to do, not because the US is a republic rather than a democracy, but because it favors conservatives over liberals. It's like affirmative action, which they hate. It is affirmative action for conservatives.

The electoral college doesn't take into account what you do for a living or your education or whether you're a liberal or conservative. It simply gives equal voice to those living in smaller states.
Two elements of the “Great Compromise” among the large and small states led to the ratification of the Constitution. A House of Representatives would reflect the popular vote—disadvantaging the small states—but a Senate would give the small states equal representation with the large ones.

This idea was carried through to the Electoral College, where each state’s allocation of electoral votes is simply the total of its representation in the House and Senate. This again gave the smaller states some additional power in the important choice of the president.

Leaving aside the fact that a deal is a deal, there are very practical reasons why we will always need the Electoral College under our current constitutional system.

Bill Clinton won both presidential elections with less of the popular vote than Donald Trump received.

It doesn't give equal voice to anyone.

In the Presidential Election only 12 states get to decide the President, and most of these states are in the top 50% for population. Let's just say Wyoming doesn't get a say at all, even with 3 times the voting power of those in California.

You want equality, give it through PR, so every individual gets a say in how their OWN COUNTRY gets run.

 

[dannyboys]

How would the voters in small blue states like Hawaii react to being told: "Now that the electoral college has been eliminated your votes are meaningles "?

 

[talksalot]

The electoral college is based on the US being an agrarian society, something it no longer is. Today 62.7 percent of the US population lives in urban areas. The founding fathers did not foresee this. The electoral college favors rural areas and gives them more vote per person than people in urban areas. They are also as a population less educated than urban people. They also tend to be more conservative. This is the reason why the two elections in recent times where someone has won the presidency not by the popular vote but by the electoral college have gone to Republicans. Of course Republicans favor keeping the electoral college, not because it is the 'right' thing to do, not because the US is a republic rather than a democracy, but because it favors conservatives over liberals. It's like affirmative action, which they hate. It is affirmative action for conservatives.

The electoral college doesn't take into account what you do for a living or your education or whether you're a liberal or conservative. It simply gives equal voice to those living in smaller states.
Two elements of the “Great Compromise” among the large and small states led to the ratification of the Constitution. A House of Representatives would reflect the popular vote—disadvantaging the small states—but a Senate would give the small states equal representation with the large ones.

This idea was carried through to the Electoral College, where each state’s allocation of electoral votes is simply the total of its representation in the House and Senate. This again gave the smaller states some additional power in the important choice of the president.

Leaving aside the fact that a deal is a deal, there are very practical reasons why we will always need the Electoral College under our current constitutional system.

Bill Clinton won both presidential elections with less of the popular vote than Donald Trump received.

It doesn't give equal voice to anyone.

In the Presidential Election only 12 states get to decide the President, and most of these states are in the top 50% for population. Let's just say Wyoming doesn't get a say at all, even with 3 times the voting power of those in California.

You want equality, give it through PR, so every individual gets a say in how their OWN COUNTRY gets run.

This what the electoral college reflects. Even you can't honestly say that Hillary Clinton should have won, based on the popular vote.

 

[Esmeralda]

The electoral college is based on the US being an agrarian society, something it no longer is. Today 62.7 percent of the US population lives in urban areas. The founding fathers did not foresee this. The electoral college favors rural areas and gives them more vote per person than people in urban areas. They are also as a population less educated than urban people. They also tend to be more conservative. This is the reason why the two elections in recent times where someone has won the presidency not by the popular vote but by the electoral college have gone to Republicans. Of course Republicans favor keeping the electoral college, not because it is the 'right' thing to do, not because the US is a republic rather than a democracy, but because it favors conservatives over liberals. It's like affirmative action, which they hate. It is affirmative action for conservatives.

The electoral college doesn't take into account what you do for a living or your education or whether you're a liberal or conservative. It simply gives equal voice to those living in smaller states.
Two elements of the “Great Compromise” among the large and small states led to the ratification of the Constitution. A House of Representatives would reflect the popular vote—disadvantaging the small states—but a Senate would give the small states equal representation with the large ones.

This idea was carried through to the Electoral College, where each state’s allocation of electoral votes is simply the total of its representation in the House and Senate. This again gave the smaller states some additional power in the important choice of the president.

Leaving aside the fact that a deal is a deal, there are very practical reasons why we will always need the Electoral College under our current constitutional system.

Bill Clinton won both presidential elections with less of the popular vote than Donald Trump received.

It doesn't give equal voice to anyone.

In the Presidential Election only 12 states get to decide the President, and most of these states are in the top 50% for population. Let's just say Wyoming doesn't get a say at all, even with 3 times the voting power of those in California.

You want equality, give it through PR, so every individual gets a say in how their OWN COUNTRY gets run.

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This what the electoral college reflects. Even you can't honestly say that Hillary Clinton should have won, based on the popular vote.

Maybe that picture misleads you, but it doesn't mislead me. It shows a lot of red covering areas that are not highly populated and blue covering areas that are highly populated. She won the popular vote by millions. Three more million Americans voted for her than for the orange clown.