The Electoral College is not fair!

[cnm]

But a situation where one mans vote is worth more than anothers based on geography has some flaws. Taxation and representation comes to mind.

Shhhhhhhhh.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Penny, ever spewing out the recent Talking Points of her Overlords.

Get over it, Penny, the Electoral College is here to stay.

Meh, it will be gone within a decade, either by amendment or enough states signing on to the Electoral Pact that awards their electors to the winner of the national popular vote.

It's most unlikely an end run will be permitted. Most other states will not be interested in New York and California running the show.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
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Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

Yeah, all over the world, those economies suck, people are moving to the only country that still has some freedoms, why is it that way? Because it isnt mob rule, but representative republic which infuriates the Marxists. Because they know their policies dont appeal to the people who actually work, so they must RIG THE SYSTEM, so they can win.

 

[JoeB131]

It's most unlikely an end run will be permitted. Most other states will not be interested in New York and California running the show.

Which wouldn't happen, anyway. I'm not sure why you guys keep trotting out this canard, given that the Republican candidate usually gets 40% of the vote in those states.

Here's the real problem. If you live in Texas or New York, there's no point in voting at all... You won't flip your electors.

Letting three rust belt states run the show is so much better? They can't even run their own states.

 

[August West]

No illegals vote, they would not be caught dead at the polls.

RIGHT, crackerbrain. Then PROVE IT. Institute voter ID in all 50 states. Quit running and hiding from it, quit saying one thing while always doing another!

What little voter fraud that actually occurs is almost always done with absentee ballots. How would voter ID stop that?

 

[cnm]

Yeah, all over the world, those economies suck, people are moving to the only country that still has some freedoms, why is it that way?

Because you're begging the question, and you're wrong, people are moving to many other countries than the US.

 

[hadit]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

And if the US was one gigantic state, that would be right. It is not, however. It is a collection of states, each of which is a unique entity. Thus, the EC was created to ensure that the smaller states would not be trampled by the larger ones when it comes to electing the president, the only office that covers all the states.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Did everyone get their activist tool kit ?
how could you be against the movement to save our "democracy"

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[Penelope]

NEXT quack theory by you?

How is one supposed to make sense of those dissimilar maps? Was it too hard to find population by state?

edit...No, not very hard at all. Smh.

1790 United States Census - Wikipedia

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Of course you want shithole Los Angeles determine who’s President.

Along with every individual vote.

 

[Penelope]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Its a quaint and archaic system. The person with the most votes should win , that is the same all over the world. Any system that gets in the way of that is corrupt. .

And if the US was one gigantic state, that would be right. It is not, however. It is a collection of states, each of which is a unique entity. Thus, the EC was created to ensure that the smaller states would not be trampled by the larger ones when it comes to electing the president, the only office that covers all the states.

So why does Wyoming have 3 EC, they deserve 1. They also have 2 Senators and Representatives, they need to do the talking for those people. Small state, you mean unpopulated that hardly pay any tax, yet each person has more voting rights.

 

[boedicca]

The EC is perfectly fair. The U.S. is a Republic of STATEs. The EC is designed to prevent Tyranny of the Majority, which is what would happen is the whinging crybully Dem-Progs ever destroyed it.

I'll note that the Dem-Progs keep screeching that Trump is going to destroy our institutions because he is Literally Hitler, yet they are the ones trying to get rid of the EC, expand the SCOTUS so they can pack it, void the 1st and 2nd Amendments...and now some are even saying we should get rid of the Senate.

 

[Pilot1]

In a Presidential Election, Individual Votes only matter to sway the STATE'S Electoral College to give their vote to the candidate that won the popular vote in that STATE.

 

[Penelope]

The EC is perfectly fair. The U.S. is a Republic of STATEs. The EC is designed to prevent Tyranny of the Majority, which is what would happen is the whinging crybully Dem-Progs ever destroyed it.

I'll note that the Dem-Progs keep screeching that Trump is going to destroy our institutions because he is Literally Hitler, yet they are the ones trying to get rid of the EC, expand the SCOTUS so they can pack it, void the 1st and 2nd Amendments...and now some are even saying we should get rid of the Senate.

You know its not, the tyranny of the Maj is in Congress and the SC. No one is saying get rid of the senate, no one. You are talking like Hannity, and Ingraham, exaggeration.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Seriously? PWAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

I gotta finish laughing 1st..

 

[Maxdeath]

Pen maybe you should look at the name. It is the President of the United States of America. It is not the President of California and New York or the President of a few states.

 

[Penelope]

In these States, whichever candidate receives a majority of the popular vote, or a plurality of the popular vote (less than 50 percent but more than any other candidate), takes all of the state's Electoral votes. Only two states, Nebraska and Maine, do not follow the winner-takes-all rule.
U. S. Electoral College: Frequently Asked Questions - National Archives

U. S. Electoral College: Frequently Asked Questions
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then we should not have winner take all states, like TEXAS. You have your choices, I can bet you do want to get rid of winner take all states.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Okay, 230 years it's been fine, and NOW it's not fair? In 2019? Why now? Wtf?!

LMAO! STFU!

I have a theory Penelope is a Russian anyways.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Each state has two senators, go back to school Senate is for states rights.



.

 

[Penelope]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Each state has two senators, go back to school Senate is for states rights.



.

Yep, that is what I said. Good you are aware of it.

 

[Penelope]

Okay, 230 years it's been fine, and NOW it's not fair? In 2019? Why now? Wtf?!

LMAO! STFU!

I have a theory Penelope is a Russian anyways.

Because, we have 325 million people now and 50 states instead of 4 million and 13 states. There is no need for the EC anymore , the people are educated today, and we all know who is running for President. We have newspapers and internet. We no longer have pony express.