Let me first say I didn't start this thread to debate who won the debate. I started it because all day long I have heard various Dem Officials say Biden had 2 goals, First to stop the Bleeding. Which I grant them he did accomplish. Second to Excite the base. Which Again I grant them he surely did. But what seems to be lost on them, and what I only heard a couple people ask them today is this. What does it mean as an incumbent Running for re-election. If 3 weeks out you are still needing to excite the base? Should not your Goal at this stage be to win the Support of Undecideds? I think it is an important question. What played great with the Base, did not go over nearly as well with others. Exciting the base is important, but is it worth alienating the Middle?