The Decline of Morality

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    Many people agree that we are in a period of moral decline. When and why do you think it started? The Enlightenment, Rationalism, Science, the Industrial Revolution, the Rise of Nationalism, the Jazz Age, the decline of the Nuclear Family, the Counterculture, the Clinton Presidency, etc. What started the undermining of religion in Western Society, or has it not started yet? Has our morality actually been ever increasing after giving women's suffrage and

    I was personally taught that the decline started in the late 18th to early 19th centuries. People had started to look to science for solutions they couldn't find in the Bible, leaving the Bible to be more of a cultural identity than a guidebook anymore. Then the rise of nationalism changed the ingroup/outgroup for cultural identity to the Nation instead of Religion, and the social problems from the Industrial Revolution made many people lose faith in a loving God.
     
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    Lots to chew on with variables out the wazoo but I'll start the ball rolling with and off the cuff and unresearched opinion.
    I think the combination of a government that allows and even encourages personal expression and a religion that encourages forgiveness and humility has resulted in tolerance of behavior that had previously been unacceptable. People who exhibited such behavior were punished in a manner severe enough that made them think twice about repeating such behavior and others who witnessed the punishment were "motivated" to not incur the same consequences.
    OK--there's one guess.
    Next!
     
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    It's a pretty broad topic, many possible answers and personal opinions.

    So basically what you're saying is that Christianity and it's gospel of forgiveness is when the moral decline started. It's been said to me before that the weakness of the Isrealites at times came from their belief in a just God instead of a vengeful one who would step on them at every wrong turn.
     
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    You got all that from his post?

    I think it was Jack Kerouac and the rest of the beatniks, eh Dillo? :D
     
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    I was thinking more of the combination of Christianity and democracy ( in it's ever changing nature) as opposed to just Christianity. I've never heard the Israelites called weak for that reason but I think the doctrines of humilty and forgiveness in the Christian religion can give the appearance of weakness. So many have taken away different messages from Christianity that I'm sure this varies a lot depending on different teachings and even geographical location.
    Democracy has given rise to greater temptations IMHO.
     
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    I would argue that the decline began during the Enlightenment, when "secular humanists" decided that Science held all the answers to everything. This made God irrelevent, and thus the standards of Good and Evil were no longer on a solid foundation such as the church, but were left up to humans to decide.

    This type of thinking that originated during that period led to atrocities such as the USSR, where religion was declared to be the "opiate of the masses", to quote Marx, and the moral relativism that followed allowed for Collectivization, starving millions of peasents, and making people disappear into gulags (real gulags, in Siberia, with no clean uniforms, no lemon-glazed chicken, and no preference of religious tome, and where "exercise" consisted of digging your own mass grave in sub-zero temperatures wearing nothing but long-jons).
     
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    The answer is as obvious as the nose on your face. Moral decline started the day they let the Beetles get off the plane in the U.S.A. (Where were the terrorist that day)
     
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    The decline of morality may have started way back when, but it really took on a full head of power and steam in the 60s of the 20th century and has been moving full force ahead ever since. Hardly any aspect of our lives has not been affected by this steamroller for the past 45 years.
     
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    Instead of "it's been said"......why not go to the source, the bible.

    It's account of Isreal's problems indicated that it(moral decline) happened whenever Isreal started to abandon their worship/following of God(The God of Isaac, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, etc.), and started worshipping Baal, all kinds of man made gods, etc.

    Now another point was made that moral decline is in "check" when folks see or receive strong punishment for law-breaking in society, and that the gospel of forgiveness counters that, and creates a moral decline?

    Moral decline happens when Christianity becomes a duty, or obligation rather than a true relationship with God.

    The very Torah-following, Jew's, of Jesus's time were the very ones that Jesus Himself assailed as the most flagrant breakers of God's commands.

    The heart of the Christian faith is not a bunch of rules, but a relationship where God's Spirit that encompasses all the Law's of God become inplanted in the true believer's heart. Instead of obeying God out of fear, obedience comes from Love, as a child's love for their parents.

    The excellent book of Romans in the New Testament, authored by Paul does a splendid job of explaining the difference between, obedience out of fear, and obedience engendered from a love-relationship.

    Most people wince at Christianity, as they see it in the same light as all other religions, "just a bunch of rules to follow", in order to keep from being punished by a stern creator.

    This is totally incorrect, and not biblical. As most folks who believe this have not read the scriptures in total, and realized that Christ advent was a plan created before the earth's creation, by a loving redeeming Creator to restore a relationship with his human creation that was severed by by sin, which was typified by willfull rebellion.
     
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    If you want to know why morality is in steep decline, turn on the TV. Go see a movie. Read any magazine that appeals to popular culture.
    Our focus is on abstinence, and why teens should avoid sex until they are married. We preach it in schools and at home, then turn on the TV. Where most of the shows present vivid accounts of how awesome sex is. Same with most of pop culture.
    Talk about mixed messages!
     
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