Scientology/Tom Cruise/ Matt Lauer/Psychiatry

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    Man, this boy has really lost it! :banana:

    I know that there are problems in this field of medicine, and probably is an over abundance of Ritalin prescriptions out there, but wooo........Cruise .....acts just like a person that's caught up and brain washed in a religious cult.
    Regards, Eightballsidepocket


    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3tc.htm
    CRUISE 'WAR OF WORLDS' INTERVIEW TURNS INTO SHOWDOWN ON PSYCHIATRY, SCIENTOLOGY

    NBC 'TODAY SHOW' host Matt Lauer was lectured by star Tom Cruise on the dangers of psychiatry and antidepressant during a promotional interview for WAR OF THE WORLDS.

    The exchange aired Friday morning.

    LAUER: TOM CRUISE CREATED A FIRESTORM WHEN HE CRITICIZED BROOKE SHIELDS FOR REVEALING THAT SHE WENT INTO THERAPY AND TOOK ANTIDEPRESSANTS TO DEAL WITH HER POST PARTUM DEPRESSION. AS A SCIENTOLGIST, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PSYCHIATRIC MEDICINE. I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS COMMENTS.

    CRUISE: i've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. and when i started studying the history of psychiatry, i understood more and more why i didn't believe in psychology.

    //And as far as the Brooke Shields thing is, look. You gotta understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I-- I think here's a-- a-- a wonderful and talented woman. And-- I wanna see her do well. And I know that-- psychiatry is-- is a pseudo science.

    MATT LAUER: But-- but Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressant or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough? //

    TOM CRUISE: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people (PH), okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol (PH) is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

    MATT LAUER:

    The difference is--

    (OVERTALK)

    TOM CRUISE:

    No, no, Matt.

    MATT LAUER:

    This wasn't against her will, though.

    TOM CRUISE:

    Matt-- Matt, Matt, Matt--

    MATT LAUER:

    But this wasn't against her will.

    TOM CRUISE:

    Matt, I'm-- Matt, I'm asking you a question.

    MATT LAUER:

    I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

    TOM CRUISE:

    No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.//

    MATT LAUER:

    //aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs? TOM CRUISE:

    all it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

    (OVERTALK)

    MATT LAUER:

    So, postpartum depression to you is--

    TOM CRUISE:

    Matt--

    MATT LAUER:

    --kind of a--

    TOM CRUISE:

    --don't--

    MATT LAUER:

    --little psychological gook--

    TOM CRUISE:

    That--

    MATT LAUER:

    --googley-gook?

    TOM CRUISE:

    --no. No. I did not say that.

    MATT LAUER:

    I'm just asking what you-- what would you call it?

    TOM CRUISE:

    No. No. Abs-- Matt, that is-- the-- post-- now-- now, you're talking about two different things.

    MATT LAUER:

    But that's what she went on the--

    TOM CRUISE:

    No. MATT LAUER:

    --antidepressant for.

    TOM CRUISE: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things. I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what-- what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. // the thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She-- she doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

    // MATT LAUER: But a little bit what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

    TOM CRUISE: No, no, I'm not.

    MATT LAUER: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

    TOM CRUISE: I-- I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that promoting for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

    MATT LAUER: No. You absolutely can.

    TOM CRUISE: I know. But-- but Matt, you're going in and saying that-- that I can't discuss this.

    MATT LAUER: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that-- do-- do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock--

    TOM CRUISE: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

    MATT LAUER: I'm just saying. But-- but aren't there--

    TOM CRUISE: Matt.

    MATT LAUER: --examples where it works?

    TOM CRUISE: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even-- you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is.// //if you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay. That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's-- where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?

    MATT LAUER: You're-- you're-- it's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And-- and you know the subject.

    TOM CRUISE: And you should.

    MATT LAUER: And-- and--

    TOM CRUISE: And you should do that also.

    MATT LAUER: And--

    TOM CRUISE: Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. //you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really--

    MATT LAUER: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking--

    TOM CRUISE: Well--

    MATT LAUER: --anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying--

    (OVERTALK)

    TOM CRUISE: Well, you are. You're saying--

    MATT LAUER: I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.

    TOM CRUISE: I-- but you're saying-- but you-- like-- this is a very important issue.

    MATT LAUER: I couldn't agree more.

    TOM CRUISE: It's very-- and you know what? You're here on the Today Show.

    MATT LAUER: Right.

    TOM CRUISE: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.

    MATT LAUER: But--

    TOM CRUISE: Because you-- you communicate to people.

    MATT LAUER: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.

    TOM CRUISE: What do you mean by that?

    MATT LAUER: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. // i'm telling you i've lived with these people and they're better.

    TOM CRUISE: So, you're-- you're advocating it.

    MATT LAUER: I am not. I'm telling you in their case-- (LAUGHTER)

    (OVERTALK)

    MATT LAUER: In their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say--

    TOM CRUISE: Matt--

    MATT LAUER: --"Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all--

    TOM CRUISE: Matt, Matt.

    MATT LAUER: --and the end-all."

    TOM CRUISE: Matt, but here's the point. what is the ideal scene for life

    TOM CRUISE: Okay. Ideal scene is someone not having to take anti-psychotic drugs.

    MATT LAUER: I would agree.

    TOM CRUISE: Okay. So, now you look at-- and you go okay. A-- a departure from that ideal scene is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?

    MATT LAUER: Let me take this more general, 'cause I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And i respect your opinion ...

    MATT LAUER: Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that-- would that be a goal of yours?

    TOM CRUISE: You know what? I-- absolutely. Of course, you know. And people--

    MATT LAUER: How do you go about that?

    TOM CRUISE: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's-- okay, if I wanna know something, I go and find out. /Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can-- I can come to an opinion based on-- on the information that I have.

    MATT LAUER: You-- you're so passionate about it. And I'm--

    TOM CRUISE: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life, Matt.

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    He is caught up and brain washed in a religious cult.

    And a very controling cult at that.
     
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    How long will it take for Tommy to fall and go boom? I've never seen anyone set themselves up for a bout with insanity as well as this. ( well Jim Baker maybe) :rotflmao:
     
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    This is one of the funniest things to happen in celebrityland for a while.

    Cruise believes he's some kind of expert on the field of psychiatry. But I'm sure he can't even read the results of scientific research. Simply translating quantitative results requires intense study.

    I know lots of rich holllywood types have gotten sucked up into Hubbard's sci-fi/fantasy religion, but at least they've had the sense to keep it to themselves. He's revealing to the world just what a bunk religion this is.
     
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    Too much time on your hands

    Too much money to spend

    Being told over and over and over again just how wonderful you are

    Making you living at "make believe"

    What else could the result be?
     
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    Sad thing is,people will run out and research this because Tom Cruise said so. I was watching part of this interview last night when it was being re ran on some talk show,and I was asking my husband,"why do people put so much damn importance on a clebrity with no degree in medicine?" These celebs are taken way too serious. :lame2:
     
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    That was a funny interview, poor Tom, not so eloquent after all.

    Scientology IS therepy, retard, and very expensive at that. The cost depends on the level of intensity your "problem" is assessed at!

    I agree somewhat with the premis of Scientology, but not for all people who need psyciatric help. How can Scientology help the paranoid schiztophrenic?
     
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    All it was was two dipshits going at it. Lauer is an ultralib know it all and Cruise is a Hollywood space cadet, let them both rot.
     
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    To be honest and fair I will give Tom the benefit of the doubt...he did make some valid points on the over prescription of drugs...that being said Scientology is really not a religion...more like a pseudo cult with political overtures...I find it amusing that Hollywoods elite take to this cult so strongly..I agree with OCA let em have at it...who really cares? :cof:
     
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    Schizophrenia is only treatable by meds.

    Antidepressants like Prozac work by inhibiting the reuptake of serotonin, if the reuptake occurs to quickly the serotonin has no effect on your brain and you are left with a constant "low" feeling causing depression. SRI's are the most successful treatment for depression.
     

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