The Death Panel's First Murder

[boedicca]

The Progressive-Totalitarians can't handle the truth.

But that isn't going to deter either Willow or me from speaking up.

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

 

[L.K.Eder]

The Progressive-Totalitarians can't handle the truth.

But that isn't going to deter either Willow or me from speaking up.

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

what a sad red salmon (sic).

Imagine this: A few days on the water, a fish on your line, the best salmon fishing in the world and one of the most majestic places on earth!

Have you always wanted to catch that fish you will remember forever? But have you plunked down your cash for a trip that really didn’t deliver?​

Allow me to personally welcome the town of Ucluelet, British Columbia. More salmon and halibut swim by our front door than just about any place on earth. We catch salmon headed for all of the hundreds of rivers on North America’s west coast. Millions of salmon going home to spawn in the giant Columbia, the mighty Fraser, the local Stamp River system, and hundreds of rivers and streams from California to Alaska pass by every year.
The Ucluelet waters swarm with giant schools of herring, pilchard, needlefish and squid. Close behind them are the whales, the salmon, and the halibut gorging themselves and quickly fattening before the winter months.
And here’s the good part. You can drive here from Seattle in less than a day, or you can fly from either Vancouver B.C. or downtown Seattle and be walking our dock within just a few hours. If you come by car, you will traverse some of the most majestic scenery on earth. You will see giant fir trees that seeded long before Columbus started for the New World and spruce trees towering hundreds of feet overhead the scenic highway out to Vancouver Island’s west coast.
The Salmon Eye fleet also has very experienced captains and we believe you will notice right away. All of our captains have been guiding for 15+ years, and that means thousands of hours guiding experience to get you into the right spot at the right time with the right equipment. For those who have always heard stories, come and experience what it means to be in the right spot at the right time! Learn more about our fishing guides here

 

[Gadawg73]

The Progressive-Totalitarians can't handle the truth.

But that isn't going to deter either Willow or me from speaking up.

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

 

[Gadawg73]

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

what a sad red salmon (sic).

Imagine this: A few days on the water, a fish on your line, the best salmon fishing in the world and one of the most majestic places on earth!

Have you always wanted to catch that fish you will remember forever? But have you plunked down your cash for a trip that really didn’t deliver?​

Allow me to personally welcome the town of Ucluelet, British Columbia. More salmon and halibut swim by our front door than just about any place on earth. We catch salmon headed for all of the hundreds of rivers on North America’s west coast. Millions of salmon going home to spawn in the giant Columbia, the mighty Fraser, the local Stamp River system, and hundreds of rivers and streams from California to Alaska pass by every year.
The Ucluelet waters swarm with giant schools of herring, pilchard, needlefish and squid. Close behind them are the whales, the salmon, and the halibut gorging themselves and quickly fattening before the winter months.
And here’s the good part. You can drive here from Seattle in less than a day, or you can fly from either Vancouver B.C. or downtown Seattle and be walking our dock within just a few hours. If you come by car, you will traverse some of the most majestic scenery on earth. You will see giant fir trees that seeded long before Columbus started for the New World and spruce trees towering hundreds of feet overhead the scenic highway out to Vancouver Island’s west coast.
The Salmon Eye fleet also has very experienced captains and we believe you will notice right away. All of our captains have been guiding for 15+ years, and that means thousands of hours guiding experience to get you into the right spot at the right time with the right equipment. For those who have always heard stories, come and experience what it means to be in the right spot at the right time! Learn more about our fishing guides here

Just bookmarked that my man. Been watching Zonk's show and I believe he also told me about your area. Expect us sometime next year. Both my sons and me.

 

[boedicca]

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

You must know the two or three Canadians who've never used their health care system.

What you fail to understand is that the problems in our system have been either caused by or exacerbated by government interference. Berwick and Sebelius are just going to make things worse.

 

[L.K.Eder]

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

what a sad red salmon (sic).

Imagine this: A few days on the water, a fish on your line, the best salmon fishing in the world and one of the most majestic places on earth!

Have you always wanted to catch that fish you will remember forever? But have you plunked down your cash for a trip that really didn’t deliver?​

Allow me to personally welcome the town of Ucluelet, British Columbia. More salmon and halibut swim by our front door than just about any place on earth. We catch salmon headed for all of the hundreds of rivers on North America’s west coast. Millions of salmon going home to spawn in the giant Columbia, the mighty Fraser, the local Stamp River system, and hundreds of rivers and streams from California to Alaska pass by every year.
The Ucluelet waters swarm with giant schools of herring, pilchard, needlefish and squid. Close behind them are the whales, the salmon, and the halibut gorging themselves and quickly fattening before the winter months.
And here’s the good part. You can drive here from Seattle in less than a day, or you can fly from either Vancouver B.C. or downtown Seattle and be walking our dock within just a few hours. If you come by car, you will traverse some of the most majestic scenery on earth. You will see giant fir trees that seeded long before Columbus started for the New World and spruce trees towering hundreds of feet overhead the scenic highway out to Vancouver Island’s west coast.
The Salmon Eye fleet also has very experienced captains and we believe you will notice right away. All of our captains have been guiding for 15+ years, and that means thousands of hours guiding experience to get you into the right spot at the right time with the right equipment. For those who have always heard stories, come and experience what it means to be in the right spot at the right time! Learn more about our fishing guides here

Just bookmarked that my man. Been watching Zonk's show and I believe he also told me about your area. Expect us sometime next year. Both my sons and me.

dude, i just randomly copied and pasted something salmon related.

almost like boedicca.

 

[boedicca]

Poor LK - sorely lacking in both reading comprehension and logic.

 

[Luissa]

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

When Obamacare was going through the congress I was working at a retail store, and being two hours from the border and the closest major city in eastern washington to the border we got a lot of canadian customers, bus loads actually. I asked many if they liked their health care. Every single person I asked said they did. Most do not understand the US system.
When I was twenty we went up there to drink, and I remember these guys we met making fun of US health care.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Poor LK - sorely lacking in both reading comprehension and logic.

avastin? breast cancer? death panels? fda?

canada?

your mom?

 

[Luissa]

I bet LK has no problem with his health care.
I bet it is nice living in germany and not having to worry about getting sick. Right now if I get sick and have to go to the doctor, I would be screwed.

 

[JBeukema]

Wouldn't government telling us what drugs to use be government control of healthcare?

Isn't this- retracting the government thumbs up to a company and choosing a winner in the market- be the opposite?

Will you hacks please try to be consistent?

Oh wait... you're reichwingers; the Corporation is always right...

 

[Againsheila]

Last week, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revoked its regulatory approval of the drug Avastin to treat late stage, metastatic breast cancer. Each year, the practicing oncologists chosen by 17,500 American women to save them from their life-threatening, heavily progressed cancer prescribe Avastin to treat them.

The FDA explained that it was revoking approval of the drug for that use because it decided that the drug does not provide "a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients." Risk? The drug is prescribed for women who are otherwise going to die from cancer unless the drug saves them at least for a time. The far greater risk to these women is from the FDA, not the drug.

As The Wall Street Journal said last Friday in response to the FDA's explanation:

Ponder that [word] "sufficient." The agency is substituting its own judgment about clinical meaningfulness for those of practicing oncologists and terminally ill cancer patients.


The American Spectator : The Death Panel's First Murder






way to go dems. some snatching victory,, reach around and give yourselves a good pat on the back.

Considering right now I'm on blood thinners and can't take my cancer medication, so my breast cancer has a slightly greater chance of coming back right now, I find this very disturbing.

 

[Cuyo]

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

You must know the two or three Canadians who've never used their health care system.

What you fail to understand is that the problems in our system have been either caused by or exacerbated by government interference. Berwick and Sebelius are just going to make things worse.

Most Canadians love it; damn sure wouldn't trade it for what we've got.

I know you think they all hate it. The reason for this is that your news sources are lying to you.

 

[EriktheRed]

The Progressive-Totalitarians can't handle the truth.

But that isn't going to deter either Willow or me from speaking up.

Go ahead and keep talking about this after it's been debunked. You're not making yourselves look any better...




...not that Willow Tree could look any stupider at this point.

What a sad sack of sophistry.

Centralized government control of individual decisions and activities always makes things worse.

In "Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada," Canada's Fraser Institute reports "that province-wide wait times for surgical and other therapeutic treatments have increased in 2010."

The always risky and sometimes deadly wait times have long been the bane of the nationalized Canadian health care system. The problem is widely known, yet the trouble grows.

"The total waiting time between referral from a general practitioner and delivery of elective treatment by a specialist," says the Fraser Institute, "averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, has risen from 16.1 weeks in 2009 to 18.2 weeks in 2010. Compared to 1993, the total waiting time in 2010 is 96% longer."

The overall wait times can be broken into two intervals: the time elapsed between a referral by a general practitioner and an appointment with a specialist, which is 8.9 weeks, and the number of weeks — 9.3 — that pass from the appointment with a specialist to actual treatment. In 73% of cases, these exceed the wait times the specialists consider to be clinically reasonable....

Their Wait Is Sealed - Investors.com

You started this thread hanging your gubmint-healthcare-is-bad argument on this drug issue and now you come back with this? We all know the wait times are a setback to the Canadian sytem, what about the avastin non-issue you've been harping about even after it's been shown to be a pile of crap?

 

[EriktheRed]

I bet LK has no problem with his health care.
I bet it is nice living in germany and not having to worry about getting sick. Right now if I get sick and have to go to the doctor, I would be screwed.

I've been to both Canada and Germany and in both countries evey one I've spoke to about their healthcare systems have said they would rather have theirs than ours.

 

[Gadawg73]

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

You must know the two or three Canadians who've never used their health care system.

What you fail to understand is that the problems in our system have been either caused by or exacerbated by government interference. Berwick and Sebelius are just going to make things worse.

You are wrong and need to listen to the facts. 80% of Canadians like their system as they rate it every year. 85% of them that have been to America and have $$ rate theirs better for everything other than disease care.
And we spend 60% of all dollars on 4% of the population as disease chronic care. Our system is geared for that with specialists. More $$ and more profit. You do know that all businesses and the health care sector gowhere the profit is. Little profit in family health care, 96% of the population but 40% of dollars spent here. Facts are a bitch.
I am telling you brother,they have it right in Canada on many things. In a clinic if someone comes in with a child with a bad problem they goto the front of the line. That is what they call waits in lines, if there are any waits. Here, unless it is an emergency room you are treated if you can pay, not on the severity of the problem.
I have been there and seen it. Friends of mine from college played many years in Canada and talked about that system. They are from south Georgia.
Go to rural areas of America my man. It will open your eyes. Our system is seriously flawed across the board.
How does it work when we pay40% of GNP forhealth care? You avoided that fact.

 

[Againsheila]

Funny, all the Canadians I know love their system.
I favor this system but we are different. There are problems with ALL systems.
We have one of the unhealthiest populations on earth and we pay two times the indusrtialized nation average for '"health" care.
Tell me, how is this system sustainable when it grows 15% a year and the rest of the country grows at 3%.
Health care is now 17% of GNP.
Please inform us how will it work when it is 35% or 40/% as predicted within the next 25 years?
You know it is unsustainable and I know it. I am not stating that the Canadian system or any other system is for us but as the owner of 3 businneses brother I can TELL YOU VERY LOUDLY this system is doomed.
And it will be your kids that suffer if you sit and acceot the disaster we now have.

You must know the two or three Canadians who've never used their health care system.

What you fail to understand is that the problems in our system have been either caused by or exacerbated by government interference. Berwick and Sebelius are just going to make things worse.

Most Canadians love it; damn sure wouldn't trade it for what we've got.

I know you think they all hate it. The reason for this is that your news sources are lying to you.

My sister married a Canadian. They are here now and have been for years but when they went up to Canada to visit his mother, they were given free flu shots.

Yeah, their health-care isn't perfect but it's a darn site better than ours.

 

[xotoxi]

Last week, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) revoked its regulatory approval of the drug Avastin to treat late stage, metastatic breast cancer. Each year, the practicing oncologists chosen by 17,500 American women to save them from their life-threatening, heavily progressed cancer prescribe Avastin to treat them.

The FDA explained that it was revoking approval of the drug for that use because it decided that the drug does not provide "a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients." Risk? The drug is prescribed for women who are otherwise going to die from cancer unless the drug saves them at least for a time. The far greater risk to these women is from the FDA, not the drug.

As The Wall Street Journal said last Friday in response to the FDA's explanation:

Ponder that [word] "sufficient." The agency is substituting its own judgment about clinical meaningfulness for those of practicing oncologists and terminally ill cancer patients.


The American Spectator : The Death Panel's First Murder








way to go dems. some snatching victory,, reach around and give yourselves a good pat on the back.

We've already covered this in depth.

You have proven yourself unqualified to discuss this topic as you have clearly been lead down the path of fear by a biased opinion blog that does not base their writing on facts.

So! State the facts man. State em.

The facts are that the medication was not unapproved because of cost.

It was unapproved because after the initial study performed by the company which showed benefit, 4 independent studies showed NO benefit.

Would you like for me to find said proof?

 

[rdean]

Brewer 'Death Panels'? - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com

The first Death Panel victim was in "Arizona". Here is Republican Gov. Brewer dancing around that fact.

dead is dead, why is this dude any more important than the dead women? pray tell?

He will be the first of many. Republican Gov. Brewer cut the funding for many people who had already been approved. They could have been fundraising or finding a way to raise funds for life saving surgery. Instead, they have been cut off. For many, it is a devastating blow and they will surely die. Republicans, the people who brought "death panels" into the American conscience create the first "death panels". Ironic, isn't it?

 

[liebuster]

Why does the FDA have the authority to tell people what drug they can and can not take in their dying days?