The "death" of the Republican Party will "save" America.

[daveman]

No, a good one is one who presents facts and figures, and doesn't use horseshit words like "Communist" when they disagree with someone...

I use the word "Communist" when it fits the data presented.

Don't like it?

Stop defending Communism, dumbass.

The fact you even TALK about Communism at this point shows you have no credibility in any political argument. Sorry.

Yeah, Communism supporters always say that.

Look, I know it's hard for you to overcome your indoctrination. But Communism simply isn't worth defending.

So stop it.

 

[daveman]

I can't speak to the internal workings of the PO -- I'll leave that to Harry -- but I notice you're pretending my post refuting your asinine claim that there are no bad workers simply doesn't exist.

You're weak, Joe. Ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.

YOu don't refute anything, guy... you just whine.

Usually a bad worker is the sign of a bad manager.

No, you don't get to get away with that horsehit, you weak coward.

Go look at the links I posted about bad union workers. THEN you can have an opinion.

Until then, STFU.

 

[daveman]

I would question how did that person get to be a bad worker. Did he come in with a lot of enthusiasm and see other slacking off and figured that's what he could get away with.

If he saw workers who were slacking off, they were bad workers.

Your mindless defense of bad workers depends on the existence of bad workers.

Damn, you idiot leftists really don't get logic, do you?

If someone is slacking off, it's because a manager allowed it.

When I was in the Army, we had an expression. If you see something wrong and do nothing about it, you've set a new standard.

A good worker won't slack off.

You have lost this argument. Just like all the rest.

 

[daveman]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

You don't think Harry and his fellow employees don't want to get rid of the asshole?

They would if they could. But they can't -- because the union is protecting the asshole.

 

[JoeB131]

I use the word "Communist" when it fits the data presented.

Don't like it?

Stop defending Communism, dumbass.

The fact you even TALK about Communism at this point shows you have no credibility in any political argument. Sorry.

Yeah, Communism supporters always say that.

Look, I know it's hard for you to overcome your indoctrination. But Communism simply isn't worth defending.

So stop it.

No political idealogy is worth defending...

They all suck, they are all stupid.

Policy should be like a toolbox, you take out the right tool for the right job.

But repeating bullshit propaganda numbers made up in the Cold War is not an argument. Nor is blaming a political system for war or ethnic hatred or famines...

 

[JoeB131]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

You don't think Harry and his fellow employees don't want to get rid of the asshole?

They would if they could. But they can't -- because the union is protecting the asshole.

I would let Harry speak to his own situation... I'm not there and I can't tell what has and hasn't been tried.

But frankly, in places I've worked, union and otherwise, when someone is slacking off and goofing up, to the point where he or she makes everyone else's lives more difficult, they usually get a talking to by their fellows.

 

[JoeB131]

If he saw workers who were slacking off, they were bad workers.

Your mindless defense of bad workers depends on the existence of bad workers.

Damn, you idiot leftists really don't get logic, do you?

If someone is slacking off, it's because a manager allowed it.

When I was in the Army, we had an expression. If you see something wrong and do nothing about it, you've set a new standard.

A good worker won't slack off.

You have lost this argument. Just like all the rest.

Quite the contrary, bad workers are usually good workers who realize their efforts are kind of meaningless because no one appreciates them.

Again, it all comes down to management and leadership. Things I suspect you know little about.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I can't speak to the internal workings of the PO -- I'll leave that to Harry -- but I notice you're pretending my post refuting your asinine claim that there are no bad workers simply doesn't exist.

You're weak, Joe. Ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.

YOu don't refute anything, guy... you just whine.

Usually a bad worker is the sign of a bad manager.

not with this guy Joe......one of his favorite things to do is file EEO's......"they are going after me because im Jewish".......he has used that for years....if he was on a Naval Vessel in the middle of the Pacific im sure he would disappear one day and the Capt. would say just dont let me know about it ......

 

[regent]

The conservative party in America has died twice, the first party held the presidency for twelve years, eight of them by Washington. The period following the conservative party's death was known in history for a time as the Era of Good Feelings.
The conservatives came back with a new party and it died. We are now with the third conservative party, the Repupublicans. I often wonder if they chose the name "republican" because the name had a good reputation being one of the original names of today's Democratic party? The Democratic party traces its heritage back to Jefferson.

While you're exploring the heritage of the Democratic Party, don't forget it was the party that was against civil rights, treated blacks as less than human, and had the KKK as its terrorist arm.

Absolutely, the southern Democrats or Solid South did just that, and for some time. Then with FDR a few small changes began and with Truman some major changes. The southern Democrats realized they were no longer welcome as Democrats and joined the Republican party. It was hard for the Democrats to lose all those votes but they did it eased em out.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Damn, that sucks. I feel for you, brother. This asshole is costing all taxpayers and postal patrons money with his bullshit.

He needs to be reminded he works for the customers, not they for him.

yea and right now we think he is faking a knee injury.....has been off for 45 days,says he has a torn Cartilage but yet has not even a slight limp when he walks......he has 9 grievances pending right now.....one fucking guy.....

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

they have to back him up Dave.....otherwise this fucker will Sue like a sonofabitch....they dont want to,they know what the guy is like they hate him too...........but the fucker is shrewd Dave.....so far he has not violated anything that can get him canned....and he has been doing this for at least 20 fucking years!....

 

[Harry Dresden]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

you cant.....we are not allowed to....and that is Govt Rules not Union....if you start something with the guy you get written up....if you come to blows and its your fault it happened....Zero Tolerance for Violence on the workroom floor.....your gone ...he stays.....this guy is an asshole,but know one figures he is worth losing a job over...he is the PO's problem not mine....i do my route and go home....

 

[JoeB131]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

you cant.....we are not allowed to....and that is Govt Rules not Union....if you start something with the guy you get written up....if you come to blows and its your fault it happened....Zero Tolerance for Violence on the workroom floor.....your gone ...he stays.....this guy is an asshole,but know one figures he is worth losing a job over...he is the PO's problem not mine....i do my route and go home....

I guess that's all you can do.

And I'm not trying to say that there aren't some awful guys out there, because there are. This really does sound like a systemic failure. It sounds like no one wants this guy, but everyone has concluded he's too much trouble to fix.

 

[daveman]

The fact you even TALK about Communism at this point shows you have no credibility in any political argument. Sorry.

Yeah, Communism supporters always say that.

Look, I know it's hard for you to overcome your indoctrination. But Communism simply isn't worth defending.

So stop it.

No political idealogy is worth defending...

They all suck, they are all stupid.

Policy should be like a toolbox, you take out the right tool for the right job.

But repeating bullshit propaganda numbers made up in the Cold War is not an argument. Nor is blaming a political system for war or ethnic hatred or famines...

It's been explained to you, dumbass. Like Rahm saying "Never let a good crisis go to waste", Communist leaders have taken advantage of crises to eliminate opposition.

Now continue your denials that you don't defend Communism while you attack those who criticize it. You may have a molecule or two of credibility that haven't yet been vaporized.

 

[daveman]

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

You don't think Harry and his fellow employees don't want to get rid of the asshole?

They would if they could. But they can't -- because the union is protecting the asshole.

I would let Harry speak to his own situation... I'm not there and I can't tell what has and hasn't been tried.

But frankly, in places I've worked, union and otherwise, when someone is slacking off and goofing up, to the point where he or she makes everyone else's lives more difficult, they usually get a talking to by their fellows.

In this case, your anecdotal evidence is meaningless. Harry's is all that matters.

And you keep dismissing it because it doesn't fit your programming.

 

[daveman]

If someone is slacking off, it's because a manager allowed it.

When I was in the Army, we had an expression. If you see something wrong and do nothing about it, you've set a new standard.

A good worker won't slack off.

You have lost this argument. Just like all the rest.

Quite the contrary, bad workers are usually good workers who realize their efforts are kind of meaningless because no one appreciates them.

Again, it all comes down to management and leadership. Things I suspect you know little about.

You still haven't read the links, have you, dumbass?

Yeah, the guy sleeping in the toll booth is tired out because his boss didn't tell him he's doing a good job sleeping in the toll booth. The woman who took a city-owned vehicle to the casino is gambling away her troubles because no one recognizes what great work she's doing wasting tax dollars.

You're a buffoon.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

Again, I guess the qeustion is, why aren't the other workers putting this guy in line, which is how most places, union and non-union usually work.

If someone is a disruptive influence, they usually don't last, union or not.

You don't think Harry and his fellow employees don't want to get rid of the asshole?

They would if they could. But they can't -- because the union is protecting the asshole.

Dave like i said......as long as he pays his dues THEY BY LAW have to defend him.....now if only he would fuck up and do something that even the Union cant help him on....like getting caught faking his Knee injury......we would have a fucking party at work the day he gets canned...matter of fact since he has worked in most of the offices here.....the whole City would be celebrating.....

 

[daveman]

The conservative party in America has died twice, the first party held the presidency for twelve years, eight of them by Washington. The period following the conservative party's death was known in history for a time as the Era of Good Feelings.
The conservatives came back with a new party and it died. We are now with the third conservative party, the Repupublicans. I often wonder if they chose the name "republican" because the name had a good reputation being one of the original names of today's Democratic party? The Democratic party traces its heritage back to Jefferson.

While you're exploring the heritage of the Democratic Party, don't forget it was the party that was against civil rights, treated blacks as less than human, and had the KKK as its terrorist arm.

Absolutely, the southern Democrats or Solid South did just that, and for some time. Then with FDR a few small changes began and with Truman some major changes. The southern Democrats realized they were no longer welcome as Democrats and joined the Republican party. It was hard for the Democrats to lose all those votes but they did it eased em out.

What about the racist northern Democrats? Where did they go?

Oh, yeah -- they stayed in the party.

 

[JoeB131]

It's been explained to you, dumbass. Like Rahm saying "Never let a good crisis go to waste", Communist leaders have taken advantage of crises to eliminate opposition.

Now continue your denials that you don't defend Communism while you attack those who criticize it. You may have a molecule or two of credibility that haven't yet been vaporized.

Well, pointing out that screaming "communism" and repeating debunked figures of Cold War propaganda is hardly "defending".

It's just pointing out you are making a silly argument. Probably because you can't make your main one.

 

[daveman]

yea and right now we think he is faking a knee injury.....has been off for 45 days,says he has a torn Cartilage but yet has not even a slight limp when he walks......he has 9 grievances pending right now.....one fucking guy.....

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

they have to back him up Dave.....otherwise this fucker will Sue like a sonofabitch....they dont want to,they know what the guy is like they hate him too...........but the fucker is shrewd Dave.....so far he has not violated anything that can get him canned....and he has been doing this for at least 20 fucking years!....

JoeB says it's because the guy's boss won't recognize his awesome work.

Of course, JoeB is a moron.

 

[JoeB131]

He needs to go. But the union will back him up.

Unions are profoundly stupid. They expect the companies their workers work for will take this crap indefinitely.

And then they whine like little bitches when the companies close.

they have to back him up Dave.....otherwise this fucker will Sue like a sonofabitch....they dont want to,they know what the guy is like they hate him too...........but the fucker is shrewd Dave.....so far he has not violated anything that can get him canned....and he has been doing this for at least 20 fucking years!....

JoeB says it's because the guy's boss won't recognize his awesome work.

Of course, JoeB is a moron.

Somehow, I doubt that guy was like that the first day he worked there. or that would have been his last day...

Work habit evolved and are guided by leaders.

Some day, Dave, when you move past that McDonald's job you've worked for the last ten years, you'll get that.