The cost of free healthcare......rationing....

[2aguy]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

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Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

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Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

 

[2aguy]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

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Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

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Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

yes, and the #1 workaround is Death coming quicker and painful when preventive medicine might have cured it in the first place. A good friend of mine was sent home because he couldn't afford his medicine. No work around on this one. While on Sick Leave, he was "Replaced" and lost his employer provided health insurance. That meant he also lost his co-pay on the medicine he needed. He's out of a job, sick and has to make a choice on the medicine or food for his kids. He does without the medicine and he dies. He rolled the dice and everyone lost. There were no alternatives open to him. He was poor and lost his health insurance, job and his life. But not to worry, his kids did get Leap, Snap and a few other snappy ways of saying Welfare after he was gone.

 

[Taz]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

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Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

Well, you chalk up another subject that you know nothing about. I've lived in Canada, and know you're wrong.

 

[2aguy]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

-----

Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

yes, and the #1 workaround is Death coming quicker and painful when preventive medicine might have cured it in the first place. A good friend of mine was sent home because he couldn't afford his medicine. No work around on this one. While on Sick Leave, he was "Replaced" and lost his employer provided health insurance. That meant he also lost his co-pay on the medicine he needed. He's out of a job, sick and has to make a choice on the medicine or food for his kids. He does without the medicine and he dies. He rolled the dice and everyone lost. There were no alternatives open to him. He was poor and lost his health insurance, job and his life. But not to worry, his kids did get Leap, Snap and a few other snappy ways of saying Welfare after he was gone.

Wrong....I had a coworker with cancer, no insurance, lost his job, he was in to see the doctor and treated and started treatment in a week......you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

-----

Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

yes, and the #1 workaround is Death coming quicker and painful when preventive medicine might have cured it in the first place. A good friend of mine was sent home because he couldn't afford his medicine. No work around on this one. While on Sick Leave, he was "Replaced" and lost his employer provided health insurance. That meant he also lost his co-pay on the medicine he needed. He's out of a job, sick and has to make a choice on the medicine or food for his kids. He does without the medicine and he dies. He rolled the dice and everyone lost. There were no alternatives open to him. He was poor and lost his health insurance, job and his life. But not to worry, his kids did get Leap, Snap and a few other snappy ways of saying Welfare after he was gone.

Wrong....I had a coworker with cancer, no insurance, lost his job, he was in to see the doctor and treated and started treatment in a week......you don't know what you are talking about.

God bless America!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Free healthcare is not free....in fact, it is more expensive than private healthcare....you pay your entire life with heavy taxes that reduce your standard of living, then, when you get older, you get to hope you aren't too old for medical care...

So, You Want Canadian Health Care?

It's true that all Canadian citizens and legal residents (though not immigrants there illegal) get "free" health care, but only in the sense that you don't get a bill after seeing a doctor or visiting a hospital. Medical care is subsidized by taxes, but the price comes in another form as well -- rationing. A 2018 report from the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, found that wait times between seeing a general practitioner and a specialist average 19.8 weeks. That's the average. There are variations among specialties. Those hoping to see an orthopedist wait an average of 39 weeks in Nova Scotia, while those seeking an oncologist wait about 3.8 weeks.

-----

Canada has the same modern medical technology that the U.S. offers, but Canadians must wait more than a month for a CT scan, more than 10 weeks for an MRI, and almost a month for an ultrasound.

Imagine the anxiety of learning that you need an MRI to find out whether the mass in your breast is anything to worry about and then being told that the next available appointment is in 10 weeks. In addition to the psychic price, Canadians who had to wait for treatment expended an average of $1,822 out of pocket last year, due to lost wages and other costs. The Fraser Institute also calculated the value of the lost productivity of those waiting for treatment -- nearly $5,600 per patient, totaling $5.8 billion nationally. Wait times to see physicians in the U.S. have been creeping up in recent years -- perhaps in response to increased demand following Obamacare -- but remain much shorter than Canada's or other OECD countries with nationalized health services.

Imagine being poor and not being allowed that MRI or Catscan at all and just dying at home in a slow, agonizing death because your cut rate insurance (if you even have that) ran out months ago.

Sorry......there are work arounds for that....but in socialized medicine everyone suffers.....not just the poor...

yes, and the #1 workaround is Death coming quicker and painful when preventive medicine might have cured it in the first place. A good friend of mine was sent home because he couldn't afford his medicine. No work around on this one. While on Sick Leave, he was "Replaced" and lost his employer provided health insurance. That meant he also lost his co-pay on the medicine he needed. He's out of a job, sick and has to make a choice on the medicine or food for his kids. He does without the medicine and he dies. He rolled the dice and everyone lost. There were no alternatives open to him. He was poor and lost his health insurance, job and his life. But not to worry, his kids did get Leap, Snap and a few other snappy ways of saying Welfare after he was gone.

Wrong....I had a coworker with cancer, no insurance, lost his job, he was in to see the doctor and treated and started treatment in a week......you don't know what you are talking about.

REality is wrong? Wow, Someone tell the REality Fairy it's wrong because 2boy says so.