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Contradiction
Oppose Abortion but support the Death Penalty
Oppose Big Government getting involved in your personal choices but oppose Gay Marriage
My favorite contradiction is the ardent Tenth Amendment-ers who're all for across-state lines health insurance purchasing and national tort reform, both of which are assertions of federal dominance over state law.
We are well Aware that Tort Reform would not jive with the Spirit of the Constitution
Tort Reform just makes sense.
Allowing people to shop for Insurance across state lines is not unconstitutional as someone else pointed out it clearly would fall under the Inter state Commerce Clause.
Contradiction
Oppose Abortion but support the Death Penalty
Oppose Big Government getting involved in your personal choices but oppose Gay Marriage
So many people claim to be conservative out of one side of their mouth, but out the other they bitch and moan about the terrible state of the status quo and lobby for decidedly progressive change. The only theoretically conservative position they hold is abject opposition to all progressive iniatives for change championed by the left. But their opposition is clearly not borne of conservatism, but rather a conflicting progressive agenda.
True conservatives would oppose radical progressivism from both wings. Faux-conservatives seem to only oppose it when it's coming from left.
And that's a shame.
So many people claim to be conservative out of one side of their mouth, but out the other they bitch and moan about the terrible state of the status quo and lobby for decidedly progressive change. The only theoretically conservative position they hold is abject opposition to all progressive iniatives for change championed by the left. But their opposition is clearly not borne of conservatism, but rather a conflicting progressive agenda.
True conservatives would oppose radical progressivism from both wings. Faux-conservatives seem to only oppose it when it's coming from left.
And that's a shame.
The big lies from the repugs are that they hate "Big Government", except when they want it.
"We don't want some government bureaucrat telling doctors what to do." "We don't want the government in the operating room or the doctor's office." Except when it comes to abortion. Then they are all about "The Government Telling Doctors What To Do."
Bushie Baby grew the government, and the national debt, the repugs followed in lock step.
Contradiction
Oppose Abortion but support the Death Penalty
Oppose Big Government getting involved in your personal choices but oppose Gay Marriage
My favorite contradiction is the ardent Tenth Amendment-ers who're all for across-state lines health insurance purchasing and national tort reform, both of which are assertions of federal dominance over state law.
Not to mention if you try to establish gun control rules at the state or local level
Killing innocent men, women, and children does not warrant a pension.
Lower taxes huh...
Lower than what?
Heh. Some people just want to say no taxes but realize that sounds completely moronic.
My favorite contradiction is the ardent Tenth Amendment-ers who're all for across-state lines health insurance purchasing and national tort reform, both of which are assertions of federal dominance over state law.
Not to mention if you try to establish gun control rules at the state or local level
I thought you opposed the rights of states to restrict civil rights. Why do you support it when it comes to things you personally oppose?
See what I mean about everyone being in that boat?
Not to mention if you try to establish gun control rules at the state or local level
I thought you opposed the rights of states to restrict civil rights. Why do you support it when it comes to things you personally oppose?
See what I mean about everyone being in that boat?
It comes down to you either support states rights or you don't. Why can't a state decide which weapons its citizens are allowed to keep?
Look at the thing that ended the prosperity of the 80s-90s: the Iraq War, the costs of which have been hidden. Without Iraq and Bush, you would never have had 2008 and the death of the American economy -- and therefore, you would never have had Obama, who clearly lacks the experience to lead.
But seriously. Look at the premise of the War on Terrorism, i.e., defeating evil. Erecting Universal Democracy.
This is more liberal than anything in FDR or LBJ, and it is more utopian than anything in Marx.
Conservatives tell people Washington isn't fit to run a laundromat, but, somehow, it is fit to rebuild entire Arab nations. This contradiction would NEVER have passed muster in a party with real Conservatives.
America counted on Conservatives to be cold-eyed realists. Conservatives are known for keeping political goals within reasonable limits -- they are moderate & cautious when it comes to BIG changes and BIG projects. In the 40s, it was the Conservatives who opposed Truman's Cold War machinations; indeed, the Conservatives were America's last best hope to avoid the bankruptcy involved with global expansion; they knew you couldn't take over and rebuild whole nations. They understood the paralyzing costs of empire, and the dangers of the liberal desire to create a perfect world. They also applied this logic domestically: they warned LBJ that attempts to end poverty, while noble, would lead to bankruptcy. You can't throw money at the impossible. Government can't change the temperature or create a utopia; it should stick to filling pot holes, and let people keep more of the money they slave for. Indeed, the Conservatives say you have to accept the world's imperfections. Poverty and evil will always exist. Washington cannot control these things from the top down with good intentions and Pentagon bureaucrats. Controlling the world for the better is a liberal delusion that always leads to unintended consequences.
But you ignored all of it. Why? Because Talk Radio and FOX news replaced real Conservatism with paranoid revanchism. It created a generation of illiterate Republicans whose knowledge of theoretical Conservatism was limited to incoherent blogosphere ranting.
When Bush marched you to war and started to spend the American Republic into its final demise, the isolationist, fiscally responsible wing of the Conservative party was MIA. [Buckley and Friedman were still alive when the war started, and they said it was stupid. But nobody listened because the Conservative wing of the party had been effectively replaced by Talk Radio lemmings, many of whom post here with a kind of sad bravado] Some of you self-professed conservatives made small complaints about Bush, but you basically rolled over for the neocons, who are a cancerous liberal wing of the New Right. [Chaney is the Left of Obama on gay marriage. Bush is the Left of Obama on illegal immigration. Karl Rove is more anti-religious than Richard Dawkins. You folks don't get it: your current party leaders care not for "Borders, Language, Culture". They took your party over, and they are still in control, and you continue to vote for them because you don't understand conservative principles]
Which is to say: there is no Conservative Party anymore.
You good folks have been punk'd, as they say.
[Please read Daniel Bell's "Cultural Contradictions of Capitalism". Bell is one of your last great Conservative thinkers. Once you understand the contradiction between globalization and cultural autonomy, you will understand what happened to your great movement starting in 1980. Conservatism in America has been dead a long, long, long time. So has Liberalism. You live in a one party oligarchy which serves the interests of the stateless transnationals who fund your elections and own your media]
Contradiction
Oppose Abortion but support the Death Penalty
Oppose Big Government getting involved in your personal choices but oppose Gay Marriage
My favorite contradiction is the ardent Tenth Amendment-ers who're all for across-state lines health insurance purchasing and national tort reform, both of which are assertions of federal dominance over state law.
Not to mention if you try to establish gun control rules at the state or local level
I didn't say it's unconstitutional. It is, however, a federal override of state laws to achieve a policy outcome you prefer. And that seems strangely out of character.
Oppose Big Government getting involved in your personal choices but oppose Gay Marriage
Opposing or being pro "gay marriage" is a personal choice. Forcing all of society to recognize and condone gay marriage is an example of big government getting involved in your personal choices.
You, yourself do not have to recognize anyones marriage
The government does
Few of us, regardless of how we bill ourselves, is ENTIRELY consistent in what we want.
What most of us really want is GOOD GOVERNMENT.
We're mostly like Goldilocks of the three bears fame, really.
We want the porriage to be neither too hot, nor too cold, the bed either too hard nor too soft.
Where we end up debating is mostly how to get that GOOD GOVERNMENT, and mostly we debate what a GOOD GOVERNMENT is supposed to be doing, too.
When we characterize the opposite partisan team we generally do so by
1. ascribing something ridiculous to the other side
2. Fault them for wanting what they do NOT want
3. Explain how what we want is sensible, and that we want these sensible things because (the sotto voce message) we are sane and the other side is not.
We see this bullshit tecnique happening every day on this board.
Typically the partisan starts out saying either
The liberals all say (believe, want) ________________________________...
or \
The conservatives all say (believe want) ________________________________...
And then these partisans go on to fault people for things they neither said, want or believe.
This is mostly what passes for serious political discussion in place like this, folks.
Rightwing,
What about evolution ?
Conservative Contradiction
We oppose abortion but we also oppose sex education, birth control and programs that help unwed mothers