The Climate Change Cult

[Dr Grump]

Ok..so I listened...I didn’t hear them reference any actual science at all. I heard them express opinion after opinion without a bit of actual science to support them.

Again...is this sort of thing what constitutes science and evidence in your mind? I posted a wheelbarrow full of peer reviewed, published science in rebuttal of your last audiovisual alarmist lollapalooza and you completely dodged it....not a word in rebuttal.....not a single piece of actual science aclling any of it into question...and then you post this as more evidence...

Forty plus minutes of self serving alarmism without the first reference to any science at all to support it...does that sort of thing actually impress you enough to convince you to be alarmed?


Feel free to point out any time marker within the whole thing that you think constitutes actual evidence and I will be happy to go back and listen again.

And since you dodged all the published, peer reviewed science I already provided, should I assume that you didn’t even bother to look at it or that you just have nothing to say about it?

It was taken as a given that the science is in. As she said, the fact insurance companies and your own military are taking it seriously says something. As for the science, I am not going to yet again post stuff that I have posted on this site at least three other times over the past 13 years. I'm sick of it. Not as sick as I am as you guys passing off your links as 'science'. When the vast majority of climate scientists say it is happening - and they have published screeds of peer-reviewed data - then I'll go with them.

 

[Dr Grump]

Call me when you anti science loons stop using a hot day in Tulsa as proof.

No, the normal folk who know for a fact that climate change is happening due to humanity quote both extremes in temperature/weather as proof. It's you conservative whackos that don't.

So are “normal folk” by your definition people who “know” things for a “fact” based on no actual evidence? Twice now you have provided what passes for evidence in your mind and there hasn’t been a bit of actual evidence in either of them. So without evidence exactly how do “normal folk” know this for a fact?

I've posted a graph from NASA. I have posted many links over the past 13 years. If you are that interested, go back over my posts. They are there. I am not putting them up ad nauseam. I have gone past that stage. Now, all I'm doing, is making sure you shills and your erroneous data is not being taken as gospel on these boards. It's quackery. And that is the same with the person who was quoted on Here's The Thing. They've gone past trying to convince you deniers it is happening. They did that a long time ago. Now, they've moved onto the next stage of trying to do something about it. They no longer have to prove shit to you. It has already been proven.

 

[Dr Grump]

We are tired of our meager earnings being stolen from us. This is nothing more then getting a global tax to give to nations we can't call shitholes. You all want socialism but you do not want to pay for it. Obamacare when enacted the Progs believed all the millennials would rush and purchase the insurance. They didn't. And people with families and not in privileged jobs got reamed. People who did not purchase it paid the penalty. Believe me, we are not even from that at all. And there will be a balance one way or the other.

Here we go. A global conspiracy theorist whackadoodle putting his/her head above the parapet...
"Socialism, socialism, socialism" - the catch cry of the neocon moron when they have nothing else.

 

[Dr Grump]

And for the reading challenged, like you, today's warming is NOTHING compared to many minor changes we have seen in this Holocene period.



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This is why you all fail... you cant read and the graph shows very large and very rapid changes throughout the current interglacial.

Please post a link to the sources of that graph.
Thanks.

 

[Billy_Bob]

And for the reading challenged, like you, today's warming is NOTHING compared to many minor changes we have seen in this Holocene period.



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This is why you all fail... you cant read and the graph shows very large and very rapid changes throughout the current interglacial.

Please post a link to the sources of that graph.
Thanks.

It is the gold standard Greenland Ice Cores.... Its origins are easily found for anyone with a brain..

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ow_Abrupt_Climate_Change_Happens_in_Few_Years

 

[Billy_Bob]

I love it... A climate modeler for over 40 years spills the beans on AGW and the models that predict it... Funnier still is he confirms my contention that mans impact can not be discerned from noise in our climatic system.

Dr. Mototaka Nakamura;

"He projects warming from CO2 doubling, “according to the true experts”, to be only 0.5degC. He says he doesn’t dispute the possibility of either catastrophic warming or severe glaciation since the climate system’s myriad non-linear processes swamp “the toys” used for climate predictions. Climate forecasting is simply impossible, if only because future changes in solar energy output are unknowable. As to the impacts of human-caused CO2, they can’t be judged “with the knowledge and technology we currently possess.”

[emphasis added]

This is hilarious...

A Climate Modeller Spills the Beans – Quadrant Online

 

[SSDD]

It was taken as a given that the science is in.

Taken as a given? Which part of the scientific method is that? Most of climate science is taken as a given without the first piece of observed, measured evidence to support it..

As she said, the fact insurance companies and your own military are taking it seriously says something.

With no actual evidence to support the claims it tells me that insurance companies are profiteering and the government is full of gullible idiots. Now..about that evidence...got any? Ever seen any? Me neither.

As for the science, I am not going to yet again post stuff that I have posted on this site at least three other times over the past 13 years.

I have seen the bullshit you post..it isn't science. It is unsupported opinion and you just aren't' bright enough to recognize it for what it is..but don't feel bad...none of you warmers are ever able to actually post anything like real science to support your claims...

I'm sick of it.

Yeah...if I held a belief that was supposed to be based on science and couldn't provide even the first piece of observed, measured evidence to support that belief...and people kept posting real science that proved my beliefs wrong...I would be sick of it too.

Not as sick as I am as you guys passing off your links as 'science'.

So in your mind...peer reviewed, research, published in respectable scientific journals is not science? Only unsupported opinion provided by those of the proper political persuasion is science in your mind?

When the vast majority of climate scientists say it is happening - and they have published screeds of peer-reviewed data - then I'll go with them.

So lets see some of that published peer reviewed data....if there are screeds of it, then it should be easy enough to come up with some that you could use to slap me down...but you don't....and do you know why? Because all that published sceince is taken as a given...it doesn't actually exist, but in your mind, it is a fact...what is published is a great deal of model output that doesn't reflect reality in the least...but do feel free to bring some of that screeds of pal reviewed data forward to support at least one of your claims...

With you guys, it is all bullshit all the time...

 

[SSDD]

I've posted a graph from NASA.

So what? You apparently don't even know what it was supposed to show....it showed that the level of CO2 is higher now than it was further back in the ice age.... So what? What do you think that proves? I provided you with at least 7 peer reviewed, published papers that found that our contribution to the total atmospheric CO2 is so vanishingly small that it is irrelevant...that we don't even produce enough CO2 to overcome the natural variation from year to year in the earth's own CO2 making machinery..hell, we don't even produce as much CO2 as termites...

I have posted many links over the past 13 years. If you are that interested, go back over my posts. They are there.

Yeah...I have seen them...not a bit of actual science in the lot. Unsupported opinion...blogs, self serving alarmist bloviating...you wouldn't know real science if it bit you on your alarmist useful idiot ass......and you have been proving it for 13 years.

I am not putting them up ad nauseam. I have gone past that stage. Now, all I'm doing, is making sure you shills and your erroneous data is not being taken as gospel on these boards. It's quackery.

No...all you are doing is making excuses for not being able to produce any actual science to support your bullshit.

And that is the same with the person who was quoted on Here's The Thing. They've gone past trying to convince you deniers it is happening. They did that a long time ago. Now, they've moved onto the next stage of trying to do something about it. They no longer have to prove shit to you. It has already been proven.

Again...spoken like a true useful idiot...doing something about a problem that doesn't exist...a problem for which there is not one shred of observed, measured evidence...and yet....you believe....what a dupe.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Call me when you anti science loons stop using a hot day in Tulsa as proof.

But only your side uses the dishonest "Look at this local weather!" cherrypicking fallacy. That's because only your side has to use it. The global data supports us, hence we don't need to use your favorite dishonest fallacy, so we don't.

Sucks to be you, cultist. Fallacy, fraud and scams are all you've ever had, and all you ever will have.

The global data support you?


Lmfao, 30 years worth, narcissist?


.

 

[SSDD]

And for the reading challenged, like you, today's warming is NOTHING compared to many minor changes we have seen in this Holocene period.



View attachment 281823

This is why you all fail... you cant read and the graph shows very large and very rapid changes throughout the current interglacial.

Please post a link to the sources of that graph.
Thanks.

Warning...this is a link to actual science...it is highly doubtful that you will understand any of it. Note the graph actually says that it is from the GISP2 ice core...Yet more actual science that confirms what we have been saying for you to deny...

Greenland Ice Sheet Project 2 - GISP2

Here is a paper from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science referring to ice core data...the whole thing is about abrupt temperature changes over the past 10,000 years as is shown by the ice core data...

Ice-core evidence of abrupt climate changes

the paper is titled Ice Core Evidence of abrupt climate changes

Clip: "Ice-core records show that climate changes in the past have been large, rapid, and synchronous over broad areas extending into low latitudes, with less variability over historical times. These ice-core records come from high mountain glaciers and the polar regions, including small ice caps and the large ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.

As the world slid into and out of the last ice age, the general cooling and warming trends were punctuated by abrupt changes. Climate shifts up to half as large as the entire difference between ice age and modern conditions occurred over hemispheric or broader regions in mere years to decades. Such abrupt changes have been absent during the few key millennia when agriculture and industry have arisen. The speed, size, and extent of these abrupt changes required a reappraisal of climate stability. Records of these changes are especially clear in high-resolution ice cores. Ice cores can preserve histories of local climate (snowfall, temperature), regional (wind-blown dust, sea salt, etc.), and broader (trace gases in the air) conditions, on a common time scale, demonstrating synchrony of climate changes over broad regions."

 

[SSDD]

And for the reading challenged, like you, today's warming is NOTHING compared to many minor changes we have seen in this Holocene period.



View attachment 281823

This is why you all fail... you cant read and the graph shows very large and very rapid changes throughout the current interglacial.

Please post a link to the sources of that graph.
Thanks.

It is the gold standard Greenland Ice Cores.... Its origins are easily found for anyone with a brain..

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ow_Abrupt_Climate_Change_Happens_in_Few_Years

You are talking to a guy who has proven over and over that he wouldn't know what actual science looks like if it bit him on the ass...he deals in unsupported opinion, political pandering, and denying actual science whenever it gets close enough that he might actually learn something from it. He can't bring himself to admit that he has been lied to...and most sadly of all, he would rather continue to be lied to than acknowledge it and go down a different path.

 

[SSDD]

I love it... A climate modeler for over 40 years spills the beans on AGW and the models that predict it... Funnier still is he confirms my contention that mans impact can not be discerned from noise in our climatic system.

Dr. Mototaka Nakamura;

"He projects warming from CO2 doubling, “according to the true experts”, to be only 0.5degC. He says he doesn’t dispute the possibility of either catastrophic warming or severe glaciation since the climate system’s myriad non-linear processes swamp “the toys” used for climate predictions. Climate forecasting is simply impossible, if only because future changes in solar energy output are unknowable. As to the impacts of human-caused CO2, they can’t be judged “with the knowledge and technology we currently possess.”

[emphasis added]

This is hilarious...

A Climate Modeller Spills the Beans – Quadrant Online

Not just a modeler...a true top shelf modeler.

 

[SSDD]

Call me when you anti science loons stop using a hot day in Tulsa as proof.

But only your side uses the dishonest "Look at this local weather!" cherrypicking fallacy. That's because only your side has to use it. The global data supports us, hence we don't need to use your favorite dishonest fallacy, so we don't.

Sucks to be you, cultist. Fallacy, fraud and scams are all you've ever had, and all you ever will have.

The global data support you?


Lmfao, 30 years worth, narcissist?


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And that 30 years only after heavy modification, homogenization, manipulation and infilling..

 

[Weatherman2020]

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You know how cults sometimes go up to a mountaintop awaiting Armageddon. They tell us that they are the only persons "sayved" and going to heaven.
THEN in the morning they go home dragging their tails behind them depressed because the world did not end and wondering why they had to sign over their wealth and property to their "leader" if the world was ending anyway??

----- Exactly like the "Climate Armageddon" gang. And the kids they are scaring with BS are no better. Somehow the solution is ALWAYS adding a tax (government revenue piles for politicians to spend) to utilities or whatever. then they pretend the problem is "solved" and move on to tax another "EVILLL" influence in the USA.
Which is only to feed their addiction to OPM----Other Peoples' Money.

@moderators

Threads that imply that nearly the entire global scientific community is comprised of incompetents, liars, or both, and which implies a vast conspiracy among them, belong in the conspiracy theory section.

If the board is going to have these separate sections in the first place, then this should be enforced.

How fascist of you.
Can’t stand up to scientific facts I see.

 

[mamooth]

The global data support you?

Well, yes. That would be why the scientific consensus agrees with me. The science follows the data, and the data all backs me up.

Lmfao, 30 years worth, narcissist?

That sentence made no sense. Are you as drunk as SSDD?

 

[SSDD]

The global data support you?

Well, yes. That would be why the scientific consensus agrees with me. The science follows the data, and the data all backs me up.

Lmfao, 30 years worth, narcissist?

That sentence made no sense. Are you as drunk as SSDD?

Poor hairball...reduced to one line logical fallacies...the cult business must really be sucking these days if that is all they can provide you with...or are you improvising now?

 

[Zorro!]

The Middle Class Rebellion.

We usually associate rebellions with the rise of the desperate. But increasingly we are seeing large protests in comparatively wealthy countries that are led not by working class sans-culottes or starving peasants, but what was once the stable middle class.

Perhaps the best example today may be Hong Kong, where largely middle-class students and office workers are challenging the world’s most powerful autocracy, one that, by the way sees itself as the tribune of the “workers and peasants.” Although the protests are seen largely as based on issues of personal freedom and democracy, it also reflects a wider, deeper and more pervasive malaise in a city with a per capita income of $60,000, almost four times the national average and three time that of Beijing or Shanghai.​

Whether in Europe, East Asia or the Americas, this new middle-class rebellion may be seen as what one Marxist publication called “a strike against the rising cost of living.”​

Although the leftists identify this more with protests against things like subway fare hikes, in the latest uprising the key has been those things, notably energy and housing prices, which threaten to “proletarianize” the living standards of the not long ago decently comfortable.​

Much of this rise in costs derives from virtue-signaling green policies adopted by the gentry, at the expense of the middle class:

Such policies have proven exceedingly unpopular among much of the middle orders, who have launched a devastating and occasionally violent gilets jaune rebellion. President Emmanuel Macron’s energy price rise may be popular in the salons of the Paris elite, but not so much among the vast majority, notably the 90 percent of regional residents who work outside the central district, as well as large swaths of smaller cities and towns of La France Périphérique.​

Other rebellions against the urban climate agenda have spread to normally more placid places like Norway and the Netherlands. Steady energy price rises from green policies, as well as boosts in subway fares, have resulted in major protests around Chile’s capital Santiago, with 20 deaths and 1,200 injured.​

Of course, no rational person would like to see similar violence spread or would oppose sensible environmental policy that does not target the middle orders. But it will continue worsen as long as policy makers, and the private sector, ignore the basic needs and aspirations of the majority population. If not, this rebellion will spread beyond places like Paris, Santiago and Hong Kong, with political consequences that will be difficult to predict but could be profound.​

The green religion demands sacrifice, mostly from the lower orders.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How has this thread not been moved to the Conspiracy Theory section?

 

[SSDD]

How has this thread not been moved to the Conspiracy Theory section?

How is it that all threads making the claim of man made climate change with no empirical evidence to support the claim don't get tossed into the conspiracy theory section...that is the very nature of a conspiracy theory....claims that a thing happened but no actual evidence to support the claims..

 

[ChemEngineer]

Seriously...you are now equating a kid with Hitler Youth because she is concerned about climate change?

I guess there is no low to (sic) low.

Seriously, you don't know the difference between "to" and "too"?
How could you POSSIBLY know anything about a topic as complex and misrepresented as the Global Warming Fraud, renamed "Climate Change" so that they can claim it is still in effect even when temperatures are far lower than they predicted?

Children and adults who are "concerned" don't fly across the Atlantic Ocean to address large audiences, who drove thousands and thousands of miles, to complain about how nasty and deadly driving and flying are.

Then these same kinds of Eco-Hypocrites - 25,000 of them - flew to Madrid to promote their Eco-Hysteria and mendacity.

“Bizarre environmental cult”

December 8, 2019
Some 25,000 delegates have flown into Madrid to express their panic over a perceived climate emergency and to pressure governments to take radical actions to profoundly alter human behavior.

Distinguished physics professor, William Happer said, “It’s too bad we are here on false pretenses, wasting our time talking about a non-existent climate emergency.”

Happer added: “I hope sooner or later enough people will recognize the phoniness of this bizarre environmental cult and bring it to an end.”