The Bogus Nuclear Triad Question

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During Tuesday's GOP debate, erstwhile conservative Hugh Hewitt asked the following question to Donald Trump:

"Dr. Carson just referenced the single most important job of the president, the command, the control and the care of our nuclear forces. And he mentioned the triad. The B-52s are older than I am. The missiles are old. The submarines are aging out. It's an executive order. It's a commander-in-chief decision.

What's your priority among our nuclear triad?"

Mr. Trump's response about the larger issue of nuclear proliferation has been widely (and disingenuously) reported as revealing a disqualifying lack of knowledge necessary to be our Commander in Chief. However, an objective review of this exchange leads to the opposite conclusion:

First, Hewitt's preface to his question already defined the triad, so there was no reason for Trump to repeat it.

Secondly, his actual question was about prioritizing our nuclear triad. This is a nonsensical question in that a triad relies on all three elements to be an effective deterrent. Even Sen. John McCain was unable to answer this question on Hewitt's radio talk show the next day.

Third, our nuclear triad is not even relevant to the current topics of national security and terrorism. We are not in danger of a massive nuclear first strike from ISIS, and it wouldn't take 1,000 nuclear weapons to pulverize Iran. The much more pressing issue is the proliferation of nuclear weapons into terrorist hands, whose liklihood has been increased by our recent nuclear deal with Iran.

As a result, the following conclusions can be drawn:

1. Hewitt's question was not serious or relevant to the Debate; rather it was an unanswerable "gotcha" question designed to provide fodder for those who oppose Trump's candidacy.

2. Trump's response regarding nuclear proliferation was entirely appropriate and indicated his larger view of national security, which is a much more important qualification for a Commander-in-Chief.

Sorry Hugh, you earned a "Fail" on this question.
 
Trump gave a Sarah Palin response




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Hewitt: Mr Trump, which of the nuclear triad do you like the best?

Trump (Palin): All of them


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I don't think Hewitt and Carson were correct either, in that I don't think B-52s are now part of the triad. The B-2s have that role now. That is, they're parked on the runway, nuclear weapons loaded, with a squad of twitchy 18-year-olds nearby who will shoot anyone who approaches without proper authorization. The aircraft crew is in a building beside it, ready to scramble to the aircraft if the "... Klaxon! Klaxon! Klaxon! ..." announcement goes out.

B-1s? No. Nuclear capability has been removed from the B-1s. And B-52s? Probably not. B-52s relied on ACMs for nuclear weapons delivery. ACMs were air-launched nuclear-armed cruise missiles with a 2000 mile range, which meant the B-52 itself didn't have to penetrate enemy air defenses. All of the ACMs were scrapped by 2012, to meet nuclear disarmament treaty obligations. A B-52 can still carry a B83 nuclear bomb, but it would have to get over the target to deliver it, and it would almost certainly be shot down before that could happen.

I haven't heard the Air Force announce that B-52s are no longer on strategic alert, but the Air Force doesn't announce such things. But it makes sense. If anyone has some more concrete information on that matter, I'd enjoy seeing it.
 
Hewitt: Mr Trump, which of our adversaries do you recommend we nuke?

Trump (Palin): All of them
 
I don't think Hewitt and Carson were correct either, in that I don't think B-52s are now part of the triad. The B-2s have that role now. That is, they're parked on the runway, nuclear weapons loaded, with a squad of twitchy 18-year-olds nearby who will shoot anyone who approaches without proper authorization. The aircraft crew is in a building beside it, ready to scramble to the aircraft if the "... Klaxon! Klaxon! Klaxon! ..." announcement goes out.

B-1s? No. Nuclear capability has been removed from the B-1s. And B-52s? Probably not. B-52s relied on ACMs for nuclear weapons delivery. ACMs were air-launched nuclear-armed cruise missiles with a 2000 mile range, which meant the B-52 itself didn't have to penetrate enemy air defenses. All of the ACMs were scrapped by 2012, to meet nuclear disarmament treaty obligations. A B-52 can still carry a B83 nuclear bomb, but it would have to get over the target to deliver it, and it would almost certainly be shot down before that could happen.

I haven't heard the Air Force announce that B-52s are no longer on strategic alert, but the Air Force doesn't announce such things. But it makes sense. If anyone has some more concrete information on that matter, I'd enjoy seeing it.

Thanks for the info. It seems like Hewitt was the dummy for not mentioning the B-2.
 
During Tuesday's GOP debate, erstwhile conservative Hugh Hewitt asked the following question to Donald Trump:

"Dr. Carson just referenced the single most important job of the president, the command, the control and the care of our nuclear forces. And he mentioned the triad. The B-52s are older than I am. The missiles are old. The submarines are aging out. It's an executive order. It's a commander-in-chief decision.

What's your priority among our nuclear triad?"

Mr. Trump's response about the larger issue of nuclear proliferation has been widely (and disingenuously) reported as revealing a disqualifying lack of knowledge necessary to be our Commander in Chief. However, an objective review of this exchange leads to the opposite conclusion:

First, Hewitt's preface to his question already defined the triad, so there was no reason for Trump to repeat it.

Secondly, his actual question was about prioritizing our nuclear triad. This is a nonsensical question in that a triad relies on all three elements to be an effective deterrent. Even Sen. John McCain was unable to answer this question on Hewitt's radio talk show the next day.

Third, our nuclear triad is not even relevant to the current topics of national security and terrorism. We are not in danger of a massive nuclear first strike from ISIS, and it wouldn't take 1,000 nuclear weapons to pulverize Iran. The much more pressing issue is the proliferation of nuclear weapons into terrorist hands, whose liklihood has been increased by our recent nuclear deal with Iran.

As a result, the following conclusions can be drawn:

1. Hewitt's question was not serious or relevant to the Debate; rather it was an unanswerable "gotcha" question designed to provide fodder for those who oppose Trump's candidacy.

2. Trump's response regarding nuclear proliferation was entirely appropriate and indicated his larger view of national security, which is a much more important qualification for a Commander-in-Chief.

Sorry Hugh, you earned a "Fail" on this question.

Why did you not provide Donald Trump's actual response- as you provided the question?
 
Why did you not provide Donald Trump's actual response- as you provided the question?

You can look it up yourself:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/u...main-republican-presidential-debate.html?_r=0

The reason I didn't include it in my post is because it was a lengthy stylistic response to a flawed prepared question.

LOL- Yeah I can see why you would think 3 paragraphs are too lengthy.....and would prefer people to see your response rather than Trump's.....


Hewitt: What’s your priority among our nuclear triad?

TRUMP: Well, first of all, I think we need somebody absolutely that we can trust, who is totally responsible; who really knows what he or she is doing. That is so powerful and so important. And one of the things that I’m frankly most proud of is that in 2003, 2004, I was totally against going into Iraq because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I called it. I called it very strongly. And it was very important.

But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ball game. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out — if we didn’t have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can’t just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn’t care. It was hand-to-hand combat.

The biggest problem this world has today is not President Obama with global warming, which is inconceivable, this is what he’s saying. The biggest problem we have is nuclear — nuclear proliferation and having some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. That’s in my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now.

HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.

TRUMP: I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

LOL......

Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.
 
HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.

TRUMP: I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

LOL......

Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.

LOL......

That's the extent of your brilliant analysis?

Why don't you share with us YOUR favorite candidate's answer to Hewitt's absurd question?

I'm waiting.....
 
HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.

TRUMP: I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

LOL......

Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.

LOL......

That's the extent of your brilliant analysis?

Why don't you share with us YOUR favorite candidate's answer to Hewitt's absurd question?

I'm waiting.....

I know you won't remember this- but I didn't bring up Hewitt's question- or Trump's response.

Hell- I didn't even comment on what Trump said- I am absolutely fine with letting his words stand.

Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.
 
HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.

TRUMP: I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

LOL......

Trump is the candidate the GOP deserves.

LOL......

That's the extent of your brilliant analysis?

Why don't you share with us YOUR favorite candidate's answer to Hewitt's absurd question?

I'm waiting.....
Hillary could explain it to you
 
I agree that it was a stupid "Gotcha" question.

I wasn't all that satisfied with The Donald's response but at least it showed he DOES understand the implication of having nuclear power at the pleasure of the president.
 
I don't think Hewitt and Carson were correct either, in that I don't think B-52s are now part of the triad. The B-2s have that role now. That is, they're parked on the runway, nuclear weapons loaded, with a squad of twitchy 18-year-olds nearby who will shoot anyone who approaches without proper authorization. The aircraft crew is in a building beside it, ready to scramble to the aircraft if the "... Klaxon! Klaxon! Klaxon! ..." announcement goes out.

B-1s? No. Nuclear capability has been removed from the B-1s. And B-52s? Probably not. B-52s relied on ACMs for nuclear weapons delivery. ACMs were air-launched nuclear-armed cruise missiles with a 2000 mile range, which meant the B-52 itself didn't have to penetrate enemy air defenses. All of the ACMs were scrapped by 2012, to meet nuclear disarmament treaty obligations. A B-52 can still carry a B83 nuclear bomb, but it would have to get over the target to deliver it, and it would almost certainly be shot down before that could happen.

I haven't heard the Air Force announce that B-52s are no longer on strategic alert, but the Air Force doesn't announce such things. But it makes sense. If anyone has some more concrete information on that matter, I'd enjoy seeing it.

The strategic alert ended years ago. Our main defense are submarine launched ballistic missiles on the Ohio class submarines, and land-based missiles. Manned bombers are a weak third leg.
 

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