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Fair enough.
Well then.
You also know how "Democrat plantation" is being used to denigrate Blacks for voting Democratic. You know, it's used to deny their agency, humiliate them, and, at most, grant them the will to beg for hand-outs, and cast a light of dishonorable weakness on them.
You also know that Black conservatives exercise their liberty opting to vote, or align with, Republicans. You may disagree with their choice, you may assume they vote against their self-interest, but they still have agency, and act on it. You should celebrate them for it, even while you disagree with their politics - maybe even every aspect thereof.
It's my conclusion that the "plantation" charge is malignant, belittles what the slaves had to endure on the plantation, and besmirches blacks (Democrats and Republicans). It should not have a place in reasonable public discourse.
[As an aside, I have banned the stupid flickering images from YouDupe from my machine, and thus haven't seen any of the vids. If you want to take on Candace Owens, much deserved as that would be, you shouldn't emulate, and thus retroactively justify, her sleazy tactics. Or so I find.]
Johnson was your master. Still is.Let's talk about the real plantation shall we. We are going to look at black conservatives who participate as part of that plantation. Not all black conservatives are part of this plantation. But these guys are.
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Johnson was no progressive.
They can vote republican all they want but when they start repeating white racist beliefs they need to be stopped. I will be using the words they speak to show how stupid thy are. Now understand this, you don't whip the bully by giving him your lunch. Sometimes you have to get in the dirt and whip the bullies ass. This is not just about Owens. It is about the whites using her in order to continue white racism such as what is seen here.
They can vote republican all they want but when they start repeating white racist beliefs they need to be stopped. I will be using the words they speak to show how stupid thy are. Now understand this, you don't whip the bully by giving him your lunch. Sometimes you have to get in the dirt and whip the bullies ass. This is not just about Owens. It is about the whites using her in order to continue white racism such as what is seen here.
As I said, you do as you please. While I suspect the "bullies" - to whomever that refers - don't care much for what either of us say, how you go about whipping their ass tells a lot about who you are. I find, you let your anger, understandable though it may be, get the better of you, much to the detriment of your argument. And that's what this discussion is about.
Moreover, as far as I can see, they deployed the "Democrat plantation" for decades to no effect whatsoever. It would seem, but very few (except for white racists) fall for that scam. Easily exposed as a scam as that is, I still find it unwise to give the "plantation" charge legitimacy by adopting it.
That's pretty much all I have to say.
What I think Is that when whites get angry they get to be angry and the tone policing is not done.
What I think Is that when whites get angry they get to be angry and the tone policing is not done.
Good point, in a way. When Whites get angry, I usually ridicule them for being angry about the equivalent of a broken fingernail, if that. So yes, no tone policing, just ridicule. Also no tone policing, however, in your case. You may well have more reason for anger than I could hope to understand, and that's why I keep away from saying anything about it. What concerns me is your argument, and I find it suffers.
Let me explain. Do you actually have any evidence for the charge that Candace Owens is being used, a mere tool of whites? That she has no agency? If you dismiss her based on that charge without evidence, it's a weak argument, indeed, and you're telling the tale of the all-powerful white masters dominating Owens who doesn't know better. Conversely, if you demonstrate how she's wrong, assuming she's speaking on her own behalf, your argument would be way better. Oh, and BTW, I have no problem at all with scorn heaped upon White racism-peddlers.
Watch the video.
The Black Conservative Plantation
There is plenty of evidence OE. And this is more like the house slave who knows they can curry favor and benefits with the master by supporting the slave masters plan.
And what you don't seem to understand is how racist whites have done things in America. It's called divide and conquer. Owens is not the only one. Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, Nora Wheatley, Clarence Thomas, and Jesse Peterson are just a few.
Watch the video.
The Black Conservative Plantation
There is plenty of evidence OE. And this is more like the house slave who knows they can curry favor and benefits with the master by supporting the slave masters plan.
And what you don't seem to understand is how racist whites have done things in America. It's called divide and conquer. Owens is not the only one. Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, Nora Wheatley, Clarence Thomas, and Jesse Peterson are just a few.
With all due respect, you've not provided a hint of evidence supporting the slave / plantation rhetoric. As far as I know the worthies above, they are in it on their own volition, conservative, and supporting the GOP's policies. Happens. Just as many working class Whites do, even if they are being hurt by most of the GOP's policies.
And yes, divide and conquer is a large part of their strategy. Thus far, I would contend, it is failing. Emulating, and thus validating, the "plantation" charge does nothing to counter their strategy. I find, if widely implemented, it'd increase divisions and thus work out contrary to your aims.
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
Let's talk about the real plantation shall we. We are going to look at black conservatives who participate as part of that plantation. Not all black conservatives are part of this plantation. But these guys are.
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
That's probably because he agrees with the filth he spouts, and makes a living spouting it. You've not even begun to demonstrate how he is on a plantation. That would require that he's been "captured" (in whatever sense of the word), and serving in this function contrary to his wishes. You didn't.
[Again, no videos on this machine. So, whatever work you do digging them up is entirely lost on me.]
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
That's probably because he agrees with the filth he spouts, and makes a living spouting it. You've not even begun to demonstrate how he is on a plantation. That would require that he's been "captured" (in whatever sense of the word), and serving in this function contrary to his wishes. You didn't.
[Again, no videos on this machine. So, whatever work you do digging them up is entirely lost on me.]
Don't be stupid. He is repeating what he has been told by whites about blacks which has him in a state of mental submission to whites. He is saying blacks are inferior to whites and if you can't understand how that can be compared to him being on a plantation whereby blacks were taught they were inferior beasts whose place was in service to the white man, then you just don't want to see it.
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
That's probably because he agrees with the filth he spouts, and makes a living spouting it. You've not even begun to demonstrate how he is on a plantation. That would require that he's been "captured" (in whatever sense of the word), and serving in this function contrary to his wishes. You didn't.
[Again, no videos on this machine. So, whatever work you do digging them up is entirely lost on me.]
Don't be stupid. He is repeating what he has been told by whites about blacks which has him in a state of mental submission to whites. He is saying blacks are inferior to whites and if you can't understand how that can be compared to him being on a plantation whereby blacks were taught they were inferior beasts whose place was in service to the white man, then you just don't want to see it.
You know, there has always been a cottage industry parting fools and their money, and snake oil salesmen like Jesse Lee Peterson are into it for their own gain - always have been. It may be disheartening to watch blacks joining in on the party, and I sort of understand that. Even if I were to grant "mental submission" with respect to Peterson, it still doesn't prove a thing, and you have no evidence for it anyway. Some folks are just submissive. That's their right, as is to act on it. They're still free to leave at any time, and sell their talent (and their submission) elsewhere. But they don't. Sowell is a case in point. I've rarely seen a highly educated man spout such egregious, obvious crap, consistently, and over many years. I have read quite a bit over the years, and found nothing indicating he doesn't fully stand behind what he spouts.
You have the last word if you want it - but let's agree to disagree on that point. Okay?
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
That's probably because he agrees with the filth he spouts, and makes a living spouting it. You've not even begun to demonstrate how he is on a plantation. That would require that he's been "captured" (in whatever sense of the word), and serving in this function contrary to his wishes. You didn't.
[Again, no videos on this machine. So, whatever work you do digging them up is entirely lost on me.]
Don't be stupid. He is repeating what he has been told by whites about blacks which has him in a state of mental submission to whites. He is saying blacks are inferior to whites and if you can't understand how that can be compared to him being on a plantation whereby blacks were taught they were inferior beasts whose place was in service to the white man, then you just don't want to see it.
You know, there has always been a cottage industry parting fools and their money, and snake oil salesmen like Jesse Lee Peterson are into it for their own gain - always have been. It may be disheartening to watch blacks joining in on the party, and I sort of understand that. Even if I were to grant "mental submission" with respect to Peterson, it still doesn't prove a thing, and you have no evidence for it anyway. Some folks are just submissive. That's their right, as is to act on it. They're still free to leave at any time, and sell their talent (and their submission) elsewhere. But they don't. Sowell is a case in point. I've rarely seen a highly educated man spout such egregious, obvious crap, consistently, and over many years. I have read quite a bit over the years, and found nothing indicating he doesn't fully stand behind what he spouts.
You have the last word if you want it - but let's agree to disagree on that point. Okay?
You don't want to see the evidence Peterson has the house slave mentality.
Blacks such as Sowell, Shelby Steele, Williams, Carson, Jesse Peterson, Dennard, Thomas and the former Sherriff Clark, suffer from internalized racism. Internalized racism is a form of internalized oppression, defined by sociologist Karen D. Pyke as the "internalization of racial oppression by the racially subordinated."[1] In her study The Psychology of Racism, Robin Nicole Johnson emphasizes that internalized racism involves both "conscious and unconscious acceptance of a racial hierarchy in which whites are consistently ranked above People of Color."[2] These definitions encompass a wide range of instances, including, but not limited to, belief in negative racial stereotypes, adaptations to white cultural standards, and thinking that supports the status quo (i.e. denying that racism exists).
In her book, What Does It Mean to Be White? Developing White Racial Literacy, Robin DiAngelo describes the cycle of racism as a feedback loop that uses power, control, and economics to go from (1) systematic mistreatment of a group to creation of misinformation to, (2) societal acceptance of misinformation to, (3) internalized oppression and internalized dominance to, (4) racism perpetuated and enforced by institutions, leading to, (4) justification for further mistreatment.[31] In other words, internalized racism is involved in reinforcing racism, and ensuring that it continues. It creates a justification for continued mistreatment of the racially subjugated.[6] Additionally, it can create an acceptance of the status quo, leading some to conclude that racism is not an issue that needs to be addressed.[3] If members of racially oppressed groups internalize the validity of their own oppression, they have no reason to contest the system. Internalized racism can also be seen as a means of "dividing and conquering" racially subordinate groups to create conflicts between them and suppress united efforts to contest racism.
Furthermore,
"Because most whites have not been trained to think with complexity about racism, and because it benefits white dominance not to do so, we have a very limited understanding of it (Kumashiro, 2009; LaDuke, 2009). We are th e least likely to see, comprehend, or be invested in validating people of color’s assertions of racism and being honest about their consequences (King, 1991). At the same time, because of white social, economic, and political power within a white dominant culture, whites are the group in the position to legitimize people of color’s assertions of racism.Being in this position engenders a form of racial arrogance, and in this racial arrogance, whites have little compunction about debating the knowledge of people who have thought deeply about race through research, study, peer-reviewed scholarship, deep and on-going critical self-reflection, interracial relationships, and lived experience (Chinnery, 2008). This expertise is often trivialized and countered with simplistic platitudes, such as “people just need to see each other as individuals” or “see each other as humans” or “take personal responsibility.”
White lack of racial humility often leads to declarations of disagreement when in fact the problem is that we do not understand. Whites generally feel free to dismiss informed perspectives rather than have the humility to acknowledge that they are unfamiliar, reflect on them further, seek more information, or sustain a dialogue (DiAngelo & Sensoy, 2009)."
Dr. Robin DeAngelo
It's not that we just disagree, you are wrong.
Johnson was your master. Still is.Let's talk about the real plantation shall we. We are going to look at black conservatives who participate as part of that plantation. Not all black conservatives are part of this plantation. But these guys are.
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Johnson was no progressive.
Johnson died when I was in 6th grade. Shut the hell up.
Watch the video.
The Black Conservative Plantation
There is plenty of evidence OE. And this is more like the house slave who knows they can curry favor and benefits with the master by supporting the slave masters plan.
And what you don't seem to understand is how racist whites have done things in America. It's called divide and conquer. Owens is not the only one. Ben Carson, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, Nora Wheatley, Clarence Thomas, and Jesse Peterson are just a few.
With all due respect, you've not provided a hint of evidence supporting the slave / plantation rhetoric. As far as I know the worthies above, they are in it on their own volition, conservative, and supporting the GOP's policies. Happens. Just as many working class Whites do, even if they are being hurt by most of the GOP's policies.
And yes, divide and conquer is a large part of their strategy. Thus far, I would contend, it is failing. Emulating, and thus validating, the "plantation" charge does nothing to counter their strategy. I find, if widely implemented, it'd increase divisions and thus work out contrary to your aims.
You don't want to see it. So let me provide you with examples so that you might better be able to understand.
Why Shouldn't I Be Thankful for Slavery?
(Jesse Lee Peterson)
While declaring racism was never real, Peterson is known for frequently making controversial statements about race such as believing apartheid was good, thanking God for slavery, claiming most black people are "mentally retarded" for making babies out of wedlock, advocating sending black youth "back to the plantation and suggesting that whites need to have more children so that "they can help save America and Europe"
He is the host of The Jesse Lee Peterson Show—a national radio show which airs on Newsmax TV, and The Fallen State TV web series.
Published works
From Rage to Responsibility: Black Conservative Jesse Lee Peterson and America Today, with Dennis Prager and Brad Stetson. Paragon House (affiliated with the Unification Church), 2000,
SCAM: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America, WND Books (WorldNetDaily), 6331-4. Reprinted, Thomas Nelson, 2005,
The Seven Guaranteed Steps to Spiritual, Family and Financial Success, 2007.
"The ANTIDOTE: Healing America from the Poison of Hate, Blame and Victimhood", WND Books (WorldNetDaily), (Hardcover), 2015.
So explain why this man has a radio show paid for by white conservative advertisers, has books published only by conservative publishers and gets paid to speak, and is funded primarily by white conservatives.
Intra/Interracial discrimination
Internalized racism manifests itself in both intraracial and interracial discrimination. As an example of the intraracial case, Karen Pyke uses the term "defensive othering" to describe an individual or collective act of distancing oneself from members within one's own race that have a closer proximity to negative stereotypes.
This is, of course, a saddening state of affairs, Blacks decrying each other across political divides of being possessed by a "plantation mentality". "Divide and conquer" doesn't just pit Black and White (in similar economic circumstances) against each other, but Black against Black as well.
Johnson was your master. Still is.Let's talk about the real plantation shall we. We are going to look at black conservatives who participate as part of that plantation. Not all black conservatives are part of this plantation. But these guys are.
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Johnson was no progressive.
Johnson died when I was in 6th grade. Shut the hell up.
Johnson passed away when I was a young adult. He was no hero and was not regarded as such by intellgent black voters during his administration.
Basically his hand was forced into action by the civil rights movement. The years that he was in office were a time of political and social evolution.
MLK was at the forefront leading a movement for change, and Johnson had no option except to get onboard or be embarrassed on the world stage for leading a hypocritical country.
He was intelligent enough to know that newsreels playing abroad of black people being beaten and eaten by rabid animals like Bull Conner and his attack dogs made America look nothing like the "The Land of the Free".
If anything, he was a calculating politician who knew the right thing to do and did it. Just as much for himself and his legacy as for the blacks citizens of this country.
He deserves no accolades for just doing his job.
