The Birfer State Law Tracking Thread

[bigrebnc1775]

And the majority of people on earth at one time thought the earth was flat, how did that theory work out?

Have you noticed you're the only one arguing your case here?

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

 

[Montrovant]

Have you noticed you're the only one arguing your case here?

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

I would guess that the reason people feel the newspaper birth announcements are compelling evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is that to believe otherwise is to believe this conspiracy started all the way back at his birth. Most people probably find it hard to stomach that idea.

Of course, it could be proven that the birth announcements WERE submitted by the Hawaii government and you still wouldn't believe, since your conspiracy theory is based on the idea the Hawaii government is in on it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

I would guess that the reason people feel the newspaper birth announcements are compelling evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii is that to believe otherwise is to believe this conspiracy started all the way back at his birth. Most people probably find it hard to stomach that idea.

Of course, it could be proven that the birth announcements WERE submitted by the Hawaii government and you still wouldn't believe, since your conspiracy theory is based on the idea the Hawaii government is in on it.

Why do people keep saying the conspiracy started all the way back at his birth? Who said that newspaper clipping was created in 1961? It could have been created in 2007. Anyone can create a newpaper article for any year they choose to. If it's a conspiracy it started in 2007.

Of course, it could be proven that the birth announcements WERE submitted by the Hawaii government and you still wouldn't believe, since your conspiracy theory is based on the idea the Hawaii government is in on it

Not possible Hawaii state government would be violating it's on Constitution by filing an addressto a private citizen in a newspaper.
And I have poste tfrom a Hawaii newspaper how people are to submit birth announcements o them, and it's not through the Hawaii state government.

 

[MaggieMae]

Well explain this why is the Star-Advertiser in Hawaii explaning how you can submit a birth announcement to the paper if the hawaian state government does it?

To get your listing in our birth announcement column that runs Fridays, please complete and submit a Star-Advertiser birth announcement for, which can be downloaded at Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper, a copy of your child's birth certificate and a color picture of your child. Announcements will be run until the child's first birthday.

Mail the items to Birth Announcements, Today section, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 500 Ala Moana, Suite 7-210, Honolulu, HI 96813. Or e-mail pdf copies of the signed announcement form and the birth certificate, along with a high-resolution (300 dpi) color jpeg of the baby's picture to [email protected].

Entries missing essential information cannot be used and mailed photos cannot be returned.

Hawaii's Ohana - Hawaii News - Staradvertiser.com

Your point? The entry in the newspaper doesn't HAVE to include a photograph or other pertinent information. And how long does it take for a PDF authorization to go from the hospital to the newspapers? Or even snail-mail? And it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DATE THE CHILD WAS BORN for it to be included. Grasping at straws. This is truly pathetic.

The point as I said if the hawaiian government submit birth notices to the paper, (which has been the argument since the clipping first surfaced) Why are they giving direction on how to place an notice of birth with the paper?

Huh? There are instructions for everything. And I mean EVERYTHING, everywhere, especially when a government office is involved (state or federal). You'll have to do better than that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Have you noticed you're the only one arguing your case here?

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

Not according to WND.

"The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it.""

<<SNIP>>

"The unanswered question, since the Obama announcement carried an address and no name, was whether the state provided addresses at one time and stopped, and didn't provide the name, or whether the information was obtained in some other fashion. Or was there another procedure to transmit information different from what now is released through the Certification of Live Birth that state officials say is the only document they now provide?

Likewise, the Honolulu Advertiser, which ran a Barack Obama birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Sunday Advertiser, relies on the state-issued certification, rather than reporting from hospitals.

The Advertiser's Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama's birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.

"If we published it, it came from the state," she said."​

Read more: Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace

 

[MaggieMae]

Have you noticed you're the only one arguing your case here?

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

Of course you THINK it is because you only read what WND and other get-Obama bloggers tell you. However, others are just as determined to keep pace with all THOSE lies and embellishments and debunk them all with unequivocal facts, including the newspaper "conspiracy."

Pen spills ink, makes mess (updated) | Obama Conspiracy Theories

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

Not according to WND.

"The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, now reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health.

"We don't have an editor who handles birth and marriage announcements; we print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System," a Star-Bulletin newsroom operator explained to WND.

The operator said, "This is how we've always done it.""

<<SNIP>>

"The unanswered question, since the Obama announcement carried an address and no name, was whether the state provided addresses at one time and stopped, and didn't provide the name, or whether the information was obtained in some other fashion. Or was there another procedure to transmit information different from what now is released through the Certification of Live Birth that state officials say is the only document they now provide?

Likewise, the Honolulu Advertiser, which ran a Barack Obama birth announcement in the Aug. 13, 1961, Sunday Advertiser, relies on the state-issued certification, rather than reporting from hospitals.

The Advertiser's Marsha McFadden told WND at the time of Obama's birth announcement, the newspaper got all of its information from the state Department of Health. That would include the address.

"If we published it, it came from the state," she said."​

Read more: Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace Hawaiian newspapers don't prove birthplace

He lied

From the web site of Star-Advertiser No mention of the state Department of Health.

And one more time if the state government released any private information of a private citizen it would violate the state Constitution.

HOW TO GET LISTED



To get your listing in our birth announcement column that runs Fridays, please complete and submit a Star-Advertiser birth announcement for, which can be downloaded at Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper, a copy of your child's birth certificate and a color picture of your child. Announcements will be run until the child's first birthday.

Mail the items to Birth Announcements, Today section, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 500 Ala Moana, Suite 7-210, Honolulu, HI 96813. Or e-mail pdf copies of the signed announcement form and the birth certificate, along with a high-resolution (300 dpi) color jpeg of the baby's picture to [email protected].

Entries missing essential information cannot be used and mailed photos cannot be returned.

Hawaii's Ohana - Hawaii News - Staradvertiser.com

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yeah no kidding. This is the first time I've seen someone argue the validity of the birth announcement.

But what else is left when you're representing a 0-74 record?

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

Of course you THINK it is because you only read what WND and other get-Obama bloggers tell you. However, others are just as determined to keep pace with all THOSE lies and embellishments and debunk them all with unequivocal facts, including the newspaper "conspiracy."

Pen spills ink, makes mess (updated) | Obama Conspiracy Theories

Again lie
From the web site of Star-Advertiser No mention of the state Department of Health.

And one more time if the state government released any private information of a private citizen it would violate the state Constitution.

HOW TO GET LISTED



To get your listing in our birth announcement column that runs Fridays, please complete and submit a Star-Advertiser birth announcement for, which can be downloaded at Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper, a copy of your child's birth certificate and a color picture of your child. Announcements will be run until the child's first birthday.

Mail the items to Birth Announcements, Today section, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 500 Ala Moana, Suite 7-210, Honolulu, HI 96813. Or e-mail pdf copies of the signed announcement form and the birth certificate, along with a high-resolution (300 dpi) color jpeg of the baby's picture to [email protected].

Entries missing essential information cannot be used and mailed photos cannot be returned.

Hawaii's Ohana - Hawaii News - Staradvertiser.com

 

[MaggieMae]

The birth announcement is a fraud it was not submited by the hawaiian government to the newspaper. Now why would anyone produce an article and say it was submited by the government when it isn't true? The birth announcement was one of the biggest pieces of evidence trying to prove obama was born in Hawaii. Chip away all the bullshit an you will finally get to the truth.

The announcement is a fake.

Of course you THINK it is because you only read what WND and other get-Obama bloggers tell you. However, others are just as determined to keep pace with all THOSE lies and embellishments and debunk them all with unequivocal facts, including the newspaper "conspiracy."

Pen spills ink, makes mess (updated) | Obama Conspiracy Theories

Again lie
From the web site of Star-Advertiser No mention of the state Department of Health.

And one more time if the state government released any private information of a private citizen it would violate the state Constitution.

HOW TO GET LISTED



To get your listing in our birth announcement column that runs Fridays, please complete and submit a Star-Advertiser birth announcement for, which can be downloaded at Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper, a copy of your child's birth certificate and a color picture of your child. Announcements will be run until the child's first birthday.

Mail the items to Birth Announcements, Today section, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 500 Ala Moana, Suite 7-210, Honolulu, HI 96813. Or e-mail pdf copies of the signed announcement form and the birth certificate, along with a high-resolution (300 dpi) color jpeg of the baby's picture to [email protected].

Entries missing essential information cannot be used and mailed photos cannot be returned.

Hawaii's Ohana - Hawaii News - Staradvertiser.com

You obviously didn't bother reading the link I just gave you because you wouldn't have had time. You're obsessed and need to get a life. Until then, buh bye crazy person.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Of course you THINK it is because you only read what WND and other get-Obama bloggers tell you. However, others are just as determined to keep pace with all THOSE lies and embellishments and debunk them all with unequivocal facts, including the newspaper "conspiracy."

Pen spills ink, makes mess (updated) | Obama Conspiracy Theories

Again lie
From the web site of Star-Advertiser No mention of the state Department of Health.

And one more time if the state government released any private information of a private citizen it would violate the state Constitution.

HOW TO GET LISTED



To get your listing in our birth announcement column that runs Fridays, please complete and submit a Star-Advertiser birth announcement for, which can be downloaded at Hawaii News, Honolulu, Honolulu News, Sports, Editorial, Features, Travel and Business - Honolulu Star-Advertiser - Hawaii Newspaper, a copy of your child's birth certificate and a color picture of your child. Announcements will be run until the child's first birthday.

Mail the items to Birth Announcements, Today section, Honolulu Star-Advertiser, 500 Ala Moana, Suite 7-210, Honolulu, HI 96813. Or e-mail pdf copies of the signed announcement form and the birth certificate, along with a high-resolution (300 dpi) color jpeg of the baby's picture to [email protected].

Entries missing essential information cannot be used and mailed photos cannot be returned.

Hawaii's Ohana - Hawaii News - Staradvertiser.com

You obviously didn't bother reading the link I just gave you because you wouldn't have had time. You're obsessed and need to get a life. Until then, buh bye crazy person.

and you didn't bother looking at the information cut and pasted from the web site of the Star-Advertiser. Read it.
Why do I need to re-read the same old stuff I have read in the past? It's a lie or the Star-Advertiser is lying about how they accepot birth announcements on their own web site.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ok boys and girl riddle me this
Why is the home of Mr. and Mrs. Andrew A. M. Hatchie of 2420 Kaululaau StHonolulu, HI on the same birth announcement as obama's birth announcement?


http://www.usmessageboard.com/3551214-post268.html
lovely home for one that was built in 1977

2420 Kaululaau St, Honolulu, HI 96813 - Zillow
I'll wait. I have an idea but I will wait to see what the nuts have to offer.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How about this boys and girls

The address of Mr. and Mrs. John R. Wailelich of 937 18th AveHonolulu, HI 96816
It to is a lovely home for one that was built in 1966
http://www.alextheberge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
937 18th Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 - Zillow

 

[Toro]

Missouri birfer bill, SB282.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills111/billpdf/commit/SB0282C.pdf

Republicans hold majorities in both chambers but the governor is a Democrat.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Missouri birfer bill, SB282.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills111/billpdf/commit/SB0282C.pdf

Republicans hold majorities in both chambers but the governor is a Democrat.

First pass through on reading it, I don't see much of a problem. I wouldn't classify it as a "birther" bill. IMHO, I think it is a much better written than the Arizona law and overcomes that law's shortcomings.

1. It recognizes the sovereignty of jurisdictions outside the state in matters that occur in that jurisdiction. (Lines 8 and 9.) It does not mandate what document must be provided (only that it be official and verifiable), and it doesn't mandate irrelevant information on the document to be submitted, only that the document be issued by the controlling authority at the time of birth. (A very important point as birth records can be amended after birth by a different authority - such as when a birth certificate is reissued later in life because of adoption.

2. It places the burden of proof on the individual to obtain such documentation from the location which had jurisdiction at the time of birth (Line 11). That to me is a good thing, they basically say you want to run for office, provide an official document(s) from where you are born. If their is an issue, it's between you and them.

3. Since the documents will be then outside the control of the originating jurisdiction, they are free to deem them as public records and make them available for public inspection if they so choose.

4. I appreciate the fact that the provide a clear, measurable definition of how they status of "natural born citizen" is to be evaluated by the Secretary of State removing ambiguity and political partisan ship from the equation. I can see some people having issues with it because it permits jus soli or jus sanguinis to be operative independently. You can be a citizen at birth based on soil or you can be a citizen at birth by blood and either will qualify. (For example children born to military personnel overseas receive derivative citizenship at birth from the parents not because birth on United States soil. And no, foreign military bases are not considered U.S. Soil.) But at least it gives a clearly defined standard, one that might eventually be challenged in federal court - but actually that's OK with me as it would then force a final definition of NBC.

5. The 1996 reference is a little obscure to me, but maybe it's important under their laws for some reason.

6. I doesn't allow for measuring citizenship because your parents decided to get the tip of your pee-pee wacked off. That's a plus. ​

"115.399.
1. Not later than the twelfth Tuesday prior to each presidential election, or
2 notwithstanding any prior laws to the contrary, in the year 1996 and thereafter, within seven
3 working days after choosing its nominees for president and vice president of the United States,
4 whichever is later, the state committee of each established political party shall certify in writing
5 to the secretary of state the names of its nominees for president and vice president of the United
6 States. Such certification shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and of proof of status
7 as a natural born citizen of the United States for each nominee and the origins of such
8 evidence. Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available
9 by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth, and shall be kept and
10 maintained by the secretary of state, and shall be deemed a public record under chapter
11 610. The burden of proof for such evidence shall lie solely upon each nominee. As used
12 in this subsection, "natural born citizen" means having been declared a national and
13 citizen of the United States at birth under 8 U.S.C. Sections 1401 to 1409, as amended, or
14 having been declared a national and citizen of the United States under federal law as it
15 existed at the time of the nominee's birth."​

>>>>

 

[KissMy]

ok boys and girl riddle me this
Why is the home of Mr. and Mrs. Andrew A. M. Hatchie of 2420 Kaululaau StHonolulu, HI on the same birth announcement as obama's birth announcement?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3551214-post268.html
lovely home for one that was built in 1977

2420 Kaululaau St, Honolulu, HI 96813 - Zillow
I'll wait. I have an idea but I will wait to see what the nuts have to offer.

How about this boys and girls

The address of Mr. and Mrs. John R. Wailelich of 937 18th AveHonolulu, HI 96816
It to is a lovely home for one that was built in 1966
http://www.alextheberge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
937 18th Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 - Zillow

I don't know. There was a Tsunami that hit Hawaii in 1960 We need to see if these 2 houses were damaged around that time.

"Fifty houses at Kuliouou, an eastern suburb of Honolulu, were flooded, and $250,000 in damage was done."

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ok boys and girl riddle me this
Why is the home of Mr. and Mrs. Andrew A. M. Hatchie of 2420 Kaululaau StHonolulu, HI on the same birth announcement as obama's birth announcement?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3551214-post268.html
lovely home for one that was built in 1977

2420 Kaululaau St, Honolulu, HI 96813 - Zillow
I'll wait. I have an idea but I will wait to see what the nuts have to offer.

How about this boys and girls

The address of Mr. and Mrs. John R. Wailelich of 937 18th AveHonolulu, HI 96816
It to is a lovely home for one that was built in 1966
http://www.alextheberge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
937 18th Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 - Zillow

I don't know. There was a Tsunami that hit Hawaii in 1960 We need to see if these 2 houses were damaged around that time.

"Fifty houses at Kuliouou, an eastern suburb of Honolulu, were flooded, and $250,000 in damage was done."

In context with house the built date is when it was first built. If it was damaged or rebuilt it would have a rebuilt date , but the built date will still be the same. It's like a birth date for a home. Then again the date of the birth release would be 1961 and would not affect the newspaper

 

[Ravi]

ok boys and girl riddle me this
Why is the home of Mr. and Mrs. Andrew A. M. Hatchie of 2420 Kaululaau StHonolulu, HI on the same birth announcement as obama's birth announcement?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3551214-post268.html
lovely home for one that was built in 1977

2420 Kaululaau St, Honolulu, HI 96813 - Zillow
I'll wait. I have an idea but I will wait to see what the nuts have to offer.

How about this boys and girls

The address of Mr. and Mrs. John R. Wailelich of 937 18th AveHonolulu, HI 96816
It to is a lovely home for one that was built in 1966
http://www.alextheberge.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
937 18th Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 - Zillow

I don't know. There was a Tsunami that hit Hawaii in 1960 We need to see if these 2 houses were damaged around that time.

"Fifty houses at Kuliouou, an eastern suburb of Honolulu, were flooded, and $250,000 in damage was done."

In context with house the built date is when it was first built. If it was damaged or rebuilt it would have a rebuilt date , but the built date will still be the same. It's like a birth date for a home. Then again the date of the birth release would be 1961 and would not affect the newspaper

They demolished the original site and built another house as the property record reflects.

Honolulu Internet Permit System - Building Permit (pre 1999)

Yet another myth busted. http://www.usmessageboard.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=3553885

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I don't know. There was a Tsunami that hit Hawaii in 1960 We need to see if these 2 houses were damaged around that time.

"Fifty houses at Kuliouou, an eastern suburb of Honolulu, were flooded, and $250,000 in damage was done."

In context with house the built date is when it was first built. If it was damaged or rebuilt it would have a rebuilt date , but the built date will still be the same. It's like a birth date for a home. Then again the date of the birth release would be 1961 and would not affect the newspaper

They demolished the original site and built another house as the property record reflects.

Honolulu Internet Permit System - Building Permit (pre 1999)

Yet another myth busted. http://www.usmessageboard.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=3553885

Try again
937 - A 18TH AVE is a single address dueplex type housing
and
937 18TH AVE is a single adress one house dewlling
the address in the birth announcement reads 937 18TH AVE not 937 - A 18TH AVE
and what about the other house?

 

[Ravi]

In context with house the built date is when it was first built. If it was damaged or rebuilt it would have a rebuilt date , but the built date will still be the same. It's like a birth date for a home. Then again the date of the birth release would be 1961 and would not affect the newspaper

They demolished the original site and built another house as the property record reflects.

Honolulu Internet Permit System - Building Permit (pre 1999)

Yet another myth busted.

Try again
937 - A 18TH AVE is a single address dueplex type housing
and
937 18TH AVE is a single adress one house dewlling
the address in the birth announcement reads 937 18TH AVE not 937 - A 18TH AVE
and what about the other house?

KissMy already explained it. In 1957 the original house was built. One house. In 1964 a bigger, two story house was built. Until 1964 there was one house, therefore there was no designation of A.



You wouldn't believe Obama was born in Hawaii if it had been televised on national television with Ronald Reagan presiding over the birth.

 

[Ravi]

It was a single house built in 1957. The second house didn't exist until 1964 so no designation of A was needed, or even possible, in the birth announcement.

Believe it or not I was once a mail man and I saw this type of thing often.



edit: oh darn, you deleted your post so I guess it sank in.