The big question about life on other planets: 1000000000000000000000 planets in the universe

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    Nothing that is not understood first can be explained at all. This is why the universe is now expanding faster than physics allows for
     
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    What Asimov was not able to know or did not know was that even in a totally determined world a living future is not concrete predictable - asides from all random principles (mathematics?). And try really to imagine a world without mathematics - without natural laws. You will come very fast to an end, if you do so. The try tohe ossnt andnioagaine a butterfly. How did you create it in your thoughts? But what would really happen in such a case? By the way: Music is mathematics too - the "emotional" side of relations in space and time. Is music predictable? Is it not predictable?

     
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    Life is not mathematically based.
     
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    A dog for example solves very complex mathematical operations unbelievable fast when he hunts behind a ball and jumps and takes it with his hand ... ah sorry - with his mouth. Every lifeform is a structure, which is only understandable in context with other structures. When you take a look at your hand then you take a look at a tree (better to say 'on the realized idea of trees') for example. Some of our animalic ancestors were able to move their forlimbs into lots of directions into space - and when they took a branch with their fingers and hand and arm and body, then they did not fall from the tree. This is a reason for our excellent orientation in three dimensions - although we are not birds.

    This means by the way not that human beings (or lifeforms at all) are machines. Also not in case of artificial intelligence. Special programs - expert systems in combination with structure recognition find some solutions, which we call "intelligent" *- but with real intelligence has this nothing to do. Computers are only calculators. They have not any clue about what this means what they are "doing". A dog knows what he is doing (hopefully): he is catching a ball. If you like to build a machine, which catches a ball, then you drive crazy about this complex problem, when you have to solve it with algorithms - which are anyway senseless, because still no machine is able to catch a ball mechanically like a dog who is hunting a flying ball and catching it in the air.

    Pope Francis said by the way not a long time ago, that we lose with every lifeform a voice of god. I hope everyone takes serios such words. We - everyone of us - have the responsiblity for the survival of all and every life on planet Earth.

     
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    I agree with your last sentence. It's up to us.

    And we have to fight "them". Not each other.

    How do we fight them? And who is "them"? Great topic to discuss!
     

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