The Bible Tells Us When Jesus Returns - Between Tisha B'Av and Day of Atonement 2029

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And Jesus is NOT the most documented person of antiquity - outside of The New Testament he is barely mentioned.
Was Jesus of Nazareth a real boy? Probably. Was he The God of Abraham, as defined in The Torah, in flesh? Believe what you want - I find those ancient Arab stories to be mediocre fiction at best.
Your 'evidence' is your opinion and nothing more.

Actually, Jesus is the most documented person in antiquity if you just take non-Christian sources too. There are 17 non-Christian sources within 150 years of His death. 12 of them speak of His death, 12 of His resurrection, and 7 of His deity. In fact, nobody in antiquity has sources for them anywhere near to the still surviving papyri we have for Jesus. The Apostles recorded Jesus the boy who knew him best and were friends with Mary the mother of Jesus. Yes Jesus is the God of Abraham as he looked for their coming Messiah. There are over 100 prophecies Jesus fulfilled to prove it which is mathematically impossible unless Jesus is God. I am glad you aren't able to overturn these facts so don't shut your mind down.

Within 150 years of his death and AFTER the stories that morphed into The New Testament began to circulate.

As I said, your 'evidence' is less than impressive to anyone with an open mind.

 

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Prove it to you, maybe - but not to me. What we have here is a difference of opinion.
Now, we have two and only two choices:

We can go all Sunni -vs- Shiite and try to kill each other to 'prove' the superiority of one of those opinions, or we can agree to disagree.
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And to the point of the thesis of your thread, you're the one making extraordinary claims - it's up to you to provide the evidence.

The evidence was already given in the opening post. Why shut your mind down to that evidence? What is extraordinary is to claim Jesus didn't exist when he is the most documented person in antiquity. Islam is false since you can't come along six centuries later to claim Jesus never died on the cross. You and Islam share in common beliefs that have no evidence. What is also extraordinary is to claim the universe started up from nothing or always existed, but that is impossible. I am not impressed with anything you say. And so the Bible is clear you are going to Hell because you are too selfish to come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior. Basically, in a nutshell, you're a bad guy.

The opening post isn't evidence, it's a bunch of quotes from ancient Arab stories. Try again.

If you want me to consider your God, show me a pillar of fire blocking a gay wedding or an abortion clinic.

I'm open minded - a burning bush that gives advice on CNN... hell, even a link showing that most lottery winners are Christians would have more validity than your ancient Arab tales.

 

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Within 150 years of his death and AFTER the stories that morphed into The New Testament began to circulate.

There are no still surviving papyri closer to the events for anyone in antiquity than the papyri we have for Jesus which is a couple from the late first century and 15 papyri in the 2nd century. Polycarp said he was a student of John and Clement said he knew Paul and Peter personally. The earliest churches were set up on the resurrection appearances of Jesus. Your legends theory would not have had time to develop because almost all scholars concede Paul wrote 1 Cor. 15, Gal. 1 & 2 in which he recites the gospel, resurrection appearances and said he spent 15 days with Peter, and time with John and James as well. The Creed in 1 Cor. 15 goes all the way back to the cross. These original eyewitness Apostles testified to Paul their eyewitness testimony in various group settings, and Paul was converted just 2 years after the cross in his seeing Jesus alive from the dead. You don't have any evidence to overturn these facts. Your mind is closed because you prefer your sin nature. Why would anyone be impressed with your stance?

[Jhn 3:15-21 KJV] 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

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The opening post isn't evidence, it's a bunch of quotes from ancient Arab stories. Try again.

If you want me to consider your God, show me a pillar of fire blocking a gay wedding or an abortion clinic.

I'm open minded - a burning bush that gives advice on CNN... hell, even a link showing that most lottery winners are Christians would have more validity than your ancient Arab tales.

The opening post is evidence that's why you are unable to overturn it. Since Jesus is proven to be God and these are His words by those closest to Him and it agrees with the scientific data that is perfect evidence, you are without excuse. You want magical acts but God doesn't work that way. We live in a realistic natural world. A pillar of smoke really is a volcano. The parting of the waters is a real scientific phenomenon called wind let up and set down. If the burning bush in the OT doesn't operate in the way you want a burning bush to operate on CNN then you keep asking for fanciful things that don't portray how God works. Nothing you say is very impressive at all. You seem like quite a dullard in your comments.

 

[AVG-JOE]

The opening post is evidence that's why you are unable to overturn it. Since Jesus is proven to be God and these are His words by those closest to Him and it agrees with the scientific data that is perfect evidence, you are without excuse. You want magical acts but God doesn't work that way. We live in a realistic natural world. A pillar of smoke really is a volcano. The party of the waters is a real scientific phenomenon of wind set up and wind set down. If the burning bush in the OT doesn't operate in the way you want a burning bush to operate on CNN then you keep asking for fanciful things that don't portray how God works. Nothing you say is very impressive at all. You seem like quite a dullard in your comments.

In. Your. Humble. Opinion.

The Bible is NOT evidence of God. The Bible is a collection of ancient Arab stories which you believe hook, line and sinker and which I find to be mediocre fiction.

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The Bible is NOT evidence of God. The Bible is a collection of ancient Arab stories which you believe hook, line and sinker and which I find to be mediocre fiction.

The Bible gives the proof for God and who God is. It does this by showing how nature can't always have existed and something can't come from nothing. Then it shows Jesus is God because only God can resurrect Himself. Nobody can find a naturalistic explanation to account for the eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings.

Jesus has more sources written about Him than any ten figures in antiquity combined. Thus we see the highest standard established in the NT. And since almost no historians take your position that Jesus never existed, because historians depend on we can be confident your fiction is not reality. You're just dullard who is going to Hell according to the OT, Jesus, the Apostles and the Bible. Free will is not truly free if you don't have this free choice. You prefer to be eternally separated from God and so you shall be. C.S. Lewis said you actually lock yourself in Hell from the inside. Just like we have to lock people up in prison for life, you need to be locked up in Hell for eternity. For which those who are saved are grateful, because how unpleasant it would be if you could make contact with us in heaven.

 

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For additional data to back this up...

The "sign of the Son of Man" (Matt. 24.30) in the final year of Daniel's seventieth seven is asteroid Apophis April 13, 2029 the year Jesus steps down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7) somewhere between Tisha B'Av and Day of Atonement. There is a 7 year preparatory period (of plenty) after the 2014/15 Tetrad but before the 2,550 days (1260+1290 Dan. 12.11) of famine of the Tribulation from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 26, 2022 to Day of Atonement Sept. 19, 2029.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch...thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3.3). If we are not watchful we won't know when Jesus returns. There are 2,520 days (7 x 360 days) from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 during which time the implant to buy and sell will become ubiquitous and construction of the 3rd Temple begins, completed by Passover 2023, and thus, cleansed after 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) on Tisha B'Av 2029.

 

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I am kind of partial to Daniel's timeline myself. I am expecting an economic crash in the early fall but that probably has more to do with greedy, godless bankers and a flawed system than prophecy. I see a second coming kind of problematic when I am not so sure about the first coming.

Jesus is the most documented person in antiquity in His first coming, so if you don't accept that evidence, there is nothing more God can do to convince you because He already provided you the best evidence there can be. So you are left without excuse on your way to Hell.

The DJIA will have another 7% decline on Elul 29 Sept. 13, 2015 like Elul 29 in 2001 and 2008.

I have not been asked to convert anyone or even spread the word, I just enjoy playing on the message board. I would ask you to consider if the father speaks to perhaps listen to him and not do nothing until the son arrives.

Only 7% will be a blessing.

 

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I have not been asked to convert anyone or even spread the word, I just enjoy playing on the message board. I would ask you to consider if the father speaks to perhaps listen to him and not do nothing until the son arrives.

Only 7% will be a blessing.

Why would someone ask you to convert them when you don't have the power to convert anyone? It is God that regenerates man's spirit. Surely you don't think you are God.

I hadn't intended on doing nothing till Jesus returns. What a nonsensical thing for you to say.

 

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I have not been asked to convert anyone or even spread the word, I just enjoy playing on the message board. I would ask you to consider if the father speaks to perhaps listen to him and not do nothing until the son arrives.

Only 7% will be a blessing.

Why would someone ask you to convert them when you don't have the power to convert anyone? It is God that regenerates man's spirit. Surely you don't think you are God.

I hadn't intended on doing nothing till Jesus returns. What a nonsensical thing for you to say.

What do you mean "regenerates man's spirit"?

 

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What do you mean "regenerates man's spirit"?

A person who is not born-again, his spirit is dead to God, that is it has lost communication with God and disassociated from eternal life. We call this person an unregenerate not to be confused with degenerate though I guess you could say a person who is unregenerate is a degenerate. Whereas someone born-again is a regenerate because his spirit has been quickened, it has awareness now, has an ability to commune with God, received eternal blessings, conscience is sensitive, and given new life where he receives a new spirit of eternal life and the Holy Spirit comes to indwell that new life. The unregenerate has residing his spirit not the Holy Spirit of Truth but the evil spirit. The Holy Spirit removes the evil spirit from a person only when they are born-again, not before. So you have the evil spirit in your inner man. Your spirit has God-consciousness so you are without excuse for not having given your life to Christ.

 

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What do you mean "regenerates man's spirit"?

A person who is not born-again, his spirit is dead to God, that is it has lost communication with God and disassociated from eternal life. We call this person an unregenerate not to be confused with degenerate though I guess you could say a person who is unregenerate is a degenerate. Whereas someone born-again is a regenerate because his spirit has been quickened, it has awareness now, has an ability to commune with God, received eternal blessings, conscience is sensitive, and given new life where he receives a new spirit of eternal life and the Holy Spirit comes to indwell that new life. The unregenerate has residing his spirit not the Holy Spirit of Truth but the evil spirit. The Holy Spirit removes the evil spirit from a person only when they are born-again, not before. So you have the evil spirit in your inner man. Your spirit has God-consciousness so you are without excuse for not having given your life to Christ.

Of course I am going to come back and ask what is "born-again". I did a quick online search and there are so many different interpretations that I figured I had better know which you mean.

 

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The 7 Trumpets in Revelation are the Tribulation. Trumpets are loud as the Tribulation will be. Whereas the 7th Trumpet with its 7 Bowls of Wrath are larger than cups, poured silently, because so much happens so quickly as if time stands still in the last trumpet of the 7 year Tribulation, this being Daniel's final seven -- the 70th seven of Daniel's prophecy. The 70th seven (which hasn't happened yet because Dan. 9.24 is unfulfilled) encompasses the parousia of Christ from the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven to meeting the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18) at the last trumpet (cf. 1 Cor. 15.23,50-52) to Jesus stepping down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7) at the end of the 2,520 days of the Tribulation (7 years x 360 Jewish calendar days). Note: the rapture before the throne for Christians who are prayerful and watchful is before the 1st trumpet is blown (8.7).

We are told to look for signs before Jesus' 2nd coming. Before the first trumpet is blown 3 things happen in very precise order (Rev. 6.12):

1) Great earthquake. We know in 2010 Haiti experienced an earthquake where 320,000 people died which is the 2nd most deaths of any earthquake recorded in human history. In 2011 Japan had an earthquake that was the 4th greatest in magnitude ever recorded anywhere on planet earth. Back to back, year over year, this has never happened before. It was a first for the record books. Truly this is a great earthquake that meets the criteria.

2) Black sackcloth sun. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring 5% of the time. And there are 3 kinds of hybrids of which the H3 is the rarest occurring 5% of that 5%. The H3 completes itself as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. They are even more rare according to NASA when they last 1 minute and 30 seconds or more. Just such a solar eclipse occurred on Nov. 3, 2013. It was the 4th since Christ and won't happen again till 2172.

3) Red blood moon. NASA records red blood moons as Tetrads when there are two in a single year then two the following year. There were no Tetrads in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. They are even more rare when they land on the 1st feast of Passover and the 7th feast of Tabernacles and again the following year. This is called a Total Lunar Tetrad or Feast Tetrad. The 6th time this happened since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948. The Armistice treaty was signed in 1949. The 7th since Christ was 1967/68 when Israel reclaimed Jerusalem on June 7, 1967. The 8th is 2014/15 when the construction of the 3rd Temple is coming into view. And it won't happen again till 2582/83 but has no unique solar eclipse attached to it at that time, so the time is now.

At the end of the Tribulation will be the "sign of the Son of Man" (Matt. 24.30) in the year Jesus steps down on the mount of olives. This would occur a few months before He steps down. One thing in church history is we have never been able to find a convincing sign of the Son of Man until now. On April 13, 2029 asteroid Apophis will come within 25,000 miles of earth which is satellite distance range and most definitely will interrupt some satellite communications. This asteroid is about 3 football fields in length. The last time an asteroid of this size hit earth was about 80,000 years ago. If it entered our atmosphere it would kill tens of millions of people. There will be much fanfare surrounding this event preceding Christ's return.

The temple in Brazil took 4 years to build at a cost of $300 million. The Tribulation 2022-29 would require the 3rd Temple be completed by Passover so that there would be 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from Passover 2023 to Tisha B'Av 2029. Construction must begin no later than 2020. Look for this sign that draws you to Christ. Tisha B'Av is vital because that was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed and where Jesus will reign from in the 3rd Temple over the nations with His overcomers (Jude 14,15; Rev. 2.26,27; 20.4-6) for 1000 years before we move to the New City (Rev. 21).

After the 2014/15 Tetrad there will be 7 years of plenty (due to extremely low interest rates). Joseph was told that there would be seven years of abundance to prepare Egypt for the seven years of famine that would follow (Gen. 41.25-49). This is a prophetic type of a seven year period of abundance that will precede the Tribulation as a time for the Church and Israel to prepare. This principal of Divine warning to make preparation for a specified period of tribulation is seen in other Biblical examples.

Every 7 out of 19 years, there are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av. The other 12 out of 19 years there are 1260 + 1290 (Dan. 12.11) days from Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. 2015-22 meets the 2,520 days, and the 2022-29 matches the 2,550 days.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch...thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3.3). So the reason you may not perceive this when Jesus returns is because why? Not being a watchful "repentant" Christian (v.3a).

Logically speaking, in this day and age, it is self-deceiving and it is vicious to consider anything in the Bible to be true. This book is not believed to be a book that came from the heavens, even in Christianity. It is terrible that a good portion of the world today base their religion on the Bible.

 

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The 7 Trumpets in Revelation are the Tribulation. Trumpets are loud as the Tribulation will be. Whereas the 7th Trumpet with its 7 Bowls of Wrath are larger than cups, poured silently, because so much happens so quickly as if time stands still in the last trumpet of the 7 year Tribulation, this being Daniel's final seven -- the 70th seven of Daniel's prophecy. The 70th seven (which hasn't happened yet because Dan. 9.24 is unfulfilled) encompasses the parousia of Christ from the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven to meeting the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18) at the last trumpet (cf. 1 Cor. 15.23,50-52) to Jesus stepping down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7) at the end of the 2,520 days of the Tribulation (7 years x 360 Jewish calendar days). Note: the rapture before the throne for Christians who are prayerful and watchful is before the 1st trumpet is blown (8.7).

We are told to look for signs before Jesus' 2nd coming. Before the first trumpet is blown 3 things happen in very precise order (Rev. 6.12):

1) Great earthquake. We know in 2010 Haiti experienced an earthquake where 320,000 people died which is the 2nd most deaths of any earthquake recorded in human history. In 2011 Japan had an earthquake that was the 4th greatest in magnitude ever recorded anywhere on planet earth. Back to back, year over year, this has never happened before. It was a first for the record books. Truly this is a great earthquake that meets the criteria.

2) Black sackcloth sun. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring 5% of the time. And there are 3 kinds of hybrids of which the H3 is the rarest occurring 5% of that 5%. The H3 completes itself as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. They are even more rare according to NASA when they last 1 minute and 30 seconds or more. Just such a solar eclipse occurred on Nov. 3, 2013. It was the 4th since Christ and won't happen again till 2172.

3) Red blood moon. NASA records red blood moons as Tetrads when there are two in a single year then two the following year. There were no Tetrads in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. They are even more rare when they land on the 1st feast of Passover and the 7th feast of Tabernacles and again the following year. This is called a Total Lunar Tetrad or Feast Tetrad. The 6th time this happened since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948. The Armistice treaty was signed in 1949. The 7th since Christ was 1967/68 when Israel reclaimed Jerusalem on June 7, 1967. The 8th is 2014/15 when the construction of the 3rd Temple is coming into view. And it won't happen again till 2582/83 but has no unique solar eclipse attached to it at that time, so the time is now.

At the end of the Tribulation will be the "sign of the Son of Man" (Matt. 24.30) in the year Jesus steps down on the mount of olives. This would occur a few months before He steps down. One thing in church history is we have never been able to find a convincing sign of the Son of Man until now. On April 13, 2029 asteroid Apophis will come within 25,000 miles of earth which is satellite distance range and most definitely will interrupt some satellite communications. This asteroid is about 3 football fields in length. The last time an asteroid of this size hit earth was about 80,000 years ago. If it entered our atmosphere it would kill tens of millions of people. There will be much fanfare surrounding this event preceding Christ's return.

The temple in Brazil took 4 years to build at a cost of $300 million. The Tribulation 2022-29 would require the 3rd Temple be completed by Passover so that there would be 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from Passover 2023 to Tisha B'Av 2029. Construction must begin no later than 2020. Look for this sign that draws you to Christ. Tisha B'Av is vital because that was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed and where Jesus will reign from in the 3rd Temple over the nations with His overcomers (Jude 14,15; Rev. 2.26,27; 20.4-6) for 1000 years before we move to the New City (Rev. 21).

After the 2014/15 Tetrad there will be 7 years of plenty (due to extremely low interest rates). Joseph was told that there would be seven years of abundance to prepare Egypt for the seven years of famine that would follow (Gen. 41.25-49). This is a prophetic type of a seven year period of abundance that will precede the Tribulation as a time for the Church and Israel to prepare. This principal of Divine warning to make preparation for a specified period of tribulation is seen in other Biblical examples.

Every 7 out of 19 years, there are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av. The other 12 out of 19 years there are 1260 + 1290 (Dan. 12.11) days from Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. 2015-22 meets the 2,520 days, and the 2022-29 matches the 2,550 days.

"If therefore thou shalt not watch...thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee" (Rev. 3.3). So the reason you may not perceive this when Jesus returns is because why? Not being a watchful "repentant" Christian (v.3a).

Logically speaking, in this day and age, it is self-deceiving and it is vicious to consider anything in the Bible to be true. This book is not believed to be a book that came from the heavens, even in Christianity. It is terrible that a good portion of the world today base their religion on the Bible.

God told me to believe in the OT. Is he wrong?

 

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Of course I am going to come back and ask what is "born-again". I did a quick online search and there are so many different interpretations that I figured I had better know which you mean.

Born-again is the same as regeneration. How about this? Read what Jesus says about it in John 3.15-21.

 

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Logically speaking, in this day and age, it is self-deceiving and it is vicious to consider anything in the Bible to be true. This book is not believed to be a book that came from the heavens, even in Christianity. It is terrible that a good portion of the world today base their religion on the Bible.

All you did was accuse it mindlessly without a reason in the same way the Koran says Jesus didn't die on the cross without anything to support said claim. That's evil to do that because any cult can claim anything and doesn't evidence.

Realize you are going to Hell because you are too selfish to repent to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior.

 

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God told me to believe in the OT. Is he wrong?

He's right, and if you believed in the OT you would believe in the NT because the Bible says the true Jew is now a Christian.

 

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God told me to believe in the OT. Is he wrong?

He's right, and if you believed in the OT you would believe in the NT because the Bible says the true Jew is now a Christian.

Are you saying the OT tells a Jew he is a Christian?

 

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Of course I am going to come back and ask what is "born-again". I did a quick online search and there are so many different interpretations that I figured I had better know which you mean.

Born-again is the same as regeneration. How about this? Read what Jesus says about it in John 3.15-21.

(I am going to have to get my bible with two ribbons. The one I have at hand only has one.) Here is an issue with the teachings of Jesus. In John 3:14 Jesus refers to Moses lifting the serpent in the wilderness. The reference is to Numbers 21:9. The serpent Moses was raising was one made by Moses to stem the plague of serpents God sent on the congregation. Later in the OT, I don't know the reference of the top of my head, a prophet goes to correct some people worshipping the serpent Moses had made. (Something like that anyway.) So when Jesus says man must be lifted up as that serpent I really do not know what he is trying to say.

 

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Are you saying the OT tells a Jew he is a Christian?

Not all Jews are saved, just Jews who accept Christ as their Lord and Savior.