The 36-hour work week/3-day weekend

[Andylusion]

We've officially had the 40-hour week since the early part of the 20th century thanks to courageous and determined efforts of the labor movement during that era.

Advances in productivity haven't led to a substantial increase in wages nor reduction in hours worked for the average employee. An increase in wages in proportion with productivity should help boost an argument for reducing the work week from the now standard 5-day week/8-hour day to 4-day week/9-hour day. Or we could just make Fridays a half-day. Or turn Thursdays and Fridays into 6-hour days with an adjusted wage increase.

Actually, if you look at the evidence, the hours per work week, was falling BEFORE the labor movement.

Further, the claims that wages have not increased in proportion to productivity is entirely false.

If you were to add up all the money spent on employee benefits, and on government fees and government regulations, and add that to employee wages, we are paid a massive amount of money.

But the people on the left, are completely ignorant of economics.

Every time the employer has to pay the government more money for Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Medicare, and so on, that means they pay the employee less.

Every time that the employer has to pay thousands of dollars to meet some government regulation, that means the employer has to pay the employees less.

So Leftists jump around saying we need more Social Security, we need more Unemployment Comp, we need more regulations, and then are shocked, just shocked that pay hasn't risen in direct relation to productivity.

 

[Mathbud1]

We've officially had the 40-hour week since the early part of the 20th century thanks to courageous and determined efforts of the labor movement during that era.

Advances in productivity haven't led to a substantial increase in wages nor reduction in hours worked for the average employee. An increase in wages in proportion with productivity should help boost an argument for reducing the work week from the now standard 5-day week/8-hour day to 4-day week/9-hour day. Or we could just make Fridays a half-day. Or turn Thursdays and Fridays into 6-hour days with an adjusted wage increase.

Actually, if you look at the evidence, the hours per work week, was falling BEFORE the labor movement.

Further, the claims that wages have not increased in proportion to productivity is entirely false.

If you were to add up all the money spent on employee benefits, and on government fees and government regulations, and add that to employee wages, we are paid a massive amount of money.

But the people on the left, are completely ignorant of economics.

Every time the employer has to pay the government more money for Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Medicare, and so on, that means they pay the employee less.

Every time that the employer has to pay thousands of dollars to meet some government regulation, that means the employer has to pay the employees less.

So Leftists jump around saying we need more Social Security, we need more Unemployment Comp, we need more regulations, and then are shocked, just shocked that pay hasn't risen in direct relation to productivity.

The leftist logic problem starts before that though. The initial flaw is with the idea that wages should rise in direct relation to productivity. If the workers themselves were responsible for the increase in productivity, that would make sense. In actuality, the workers themselves have little to nothing to do with the increase in productivity. In most cases their jobs are made easier by the very technology that is also responsible for their increased productivity. So wages and overall productivity are not tightly coupled. Individual productivity usually is rewarded by increased wages though. Where an individual is responsible for their own increased productivity, that individual is usually rewarded.

 

[beagle9]

Hint; If you can be replaced by an illiterate migrant worker you're doing it wrong.

Why don't you just go on and say what you want to say, and that is if one can be replaced by an illiterate black slave says the plantation owner, then you are doing it all wrong. Same thing isn't it ?

Not exactly but the tenor is right.
Yes, if your job skills suck so bad that someone who didnt get the benefit of an American education, can hardly speak English, and has minimal skills can replace you then the problem is not immigration. The problem is you.

And so you having an attitude like you have against those who are less fortunate than you are in life, umm makes you a what then ? Would some consider you a bigot racist arrogant fool that considers everything in terms of class or class warfare in life, and all for the purpose of your greed and exploitation of less fortunate peoples for your greed maybe ? Is this why the liberals are winning the war on repubs because of this attitude that tries to explain things in the way that you all try to explain or frame them in this way ? Maybe you ought not try to be a spokesperson for your cause or your groups cause in life, because you really suck at it. Pulling the race card is appropriate here I think, because it applies perfectly due your attitude towards those who can do a job, but because they didn't pass through your hoops, then they are ripe for exploitation until you decide you have used them up enough before allowing them status to maybe graduate after they are almost dead and you are filthy rich. This is the game you all are protecting now isn't it ?

 

[beagle9]

We've officially had the 40-hour week since the early part of the 20th century thanks to courageous and determined efforts of the labor movement during that era.

Advances in productivity haven't led to a substantial increase in wages nor reduction in hours worked for the average employee. An increase in wages in proportion with productivity should help boost an argument for reducing the work week from the now standard 5-day week/8-hour day to 4-day week/9-hour day. Or we could just make Fridays a half-day. Or turn Thursdays and Fridays into 6-hour days with an adjusted wage increase.

Actually, if you look at the evidence, the hours per work week, was falling BEFORE the labor movement.

Further, the claims that wages have not increased in proportion to productivity is entirely false.

If you were to add up all the money spent on employee benefits, and on government fees and government regulations, and add that to employee wages, we are paid a massive amount of money.

But the people on the left, are completely ignorant of economics.

Every time the employer has to pay the government more money for Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Medicare, and so on, that means they pay the employee less.

Every time that the employer has to pay thousands of dollars to meet some government regulation, that means the employer has to pay the employees less.

So Leftists jump around saying we need more Social Security, we need more Unemployment Comp, we need more regulations, and then are shocked, just shocked that pay hasn't risen in direct relation to productivity.

The leftist logic problem starts before that though. The initial flaw is with the idea that wages should rise in direct relation to productivity. If the workers themselves were responsible for the increase in productivity, that would make sense. In actuality, the workers themselves have little to nothing to do with the increase in productivity. In most cases their jobs are made easier by the very technology that is also responsible for their increased productivity. So wages and overall productivity are not tightly coupled. Individual productivity usually is rewarded by increased wages though. Where an individual is responsible for their own increased productivity, that individual is usually rewarded.

You actually can make statements like this with a straight face ? Without American workers contributing to this great nation or should I say making huge sacrifices as a team working together for this nation, then this nation would be nothing today. The rich or wanna be rich have become total idiots with thoughts such as these that are written so shallow in thought of above. The story of America is a united one, not an exploitation one, where as if weakness is present in a group and/or groups, then seize on the opportunity quickly by getting in and getting out before the exploited gets smart enough to know what had happened to them? Joining up with the world for exploitative purposes will be the end of us.

 

[Mathbud1]

Actually, if you look at the evidence, the hours per work week, was falling BEFORE the labor movement.

Further, the claims that wages have not increased in proportion to productivity is entirely false.

If you were to add up all the money spent on employee benefits, and on government fees and government regulations, and add that to employee wages, we are paid a massive amount of money.

But the people on the left, are completely ignorant of economics.

Every time the employer has to pay the government more money for Social Security, Unemployment Compensation, Medicare, and so on, that means they pay the employee less.

Every time that the employer has to pay thousands of dollars to meet some government regulation, that means the employer has to pay the employees less.

So Leftists jump around saying we need more Social Security, we need more Unemployment Comp, we need more regulations, and then are shocked, just shocked that pay hasn't risen in direct relation to productivity.

The leftist logic problem starts before that though. The initial flaw is with the idea that wages should rise in direct relation to productivity. If the workers themselves were responsible for the increase in productivity, that would make sense. In actuality, the workers themselves have little to nothing to do with the increase in productivity. In most cases their jobs are made easier by the very technology that is also responsible for their increased productivity. So wages and overall productivity are not tightly coupled. Individual productivity usually is rewarded by increased wages though. Where an individual is responsible for their own increased productivity, that individual is usually rewarded.

You actually can make statements like this with a straight face ? Without American workers contributing to this great nation or should I say making huge sacrifices as a team working together for this nation, then this nation would be nothing today. The rich or wanna be rich have become total idiots with thoughts such as these that are written so shallow in thought of above. The story of America is a united one, not an exploitation one, where as if weakness is present in a group and/or groups, then seize on the opportunity quickly by getting in and getting out before the exploited gets smart enough to know what had happened to them? Joining up with the world for exploitative purposes will be the end of us.

Yes I can make them with a straight face. That is because they are logical statements based on actuality rather than wishful thinking.

You, on the other hand, are framing your position based only on the emotional. You can't make poilcy based on nothing but what would be nice. Would you destroy the country to pursue feel-good policies? Every move we make HAS to be based in reason and logic. If there are two reasonable and logical courses that can be chosen, THEN you can decide between the two based on emotional appeals to what would be nice or good. Choosing an illogical or unreasonable course of action because it feels nice is nothing but the road to destruction.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why don't you just go on and say what you want to say, and that is if one can be replaced by an illiterate black slave says the plantation owner, then you are doing it all wrong. Same thing isn't it ?

Not exactly but the tenor is right.
Yes, if your job skills suck so bad that someone who didnt get the benefit of an American education, can hardly speak English, and has minimal skills can replace you then the problem is not immigration. The problem is you.

And so you having an attitude like you have against those who are less fortunate than you are in life, umm makes you a what then ? Would some consider you a bigot racist arrogant fool that considers everything in terms of class or class warfare in life, and all for the purpose of your greed and exploitation of less fortunate peoples for your greed maybe ? Is this why the liberals are winning the war on repubs because of this attitude that tries to explain things in the way that you all try to explain or frame them in this way ? Maybe you ought not try to be a spokesperson for your cause or your groups cause in life, because you really suck at it. Pulling the race card is appropriate here I think, because it applies perfectly due your attitude towards those who can do a job, but because they didn't pass through your hoops, then they are ripe for exploitation until you decide you have used them up enough before allowing them status to maybe graduate after they are almost dead and you are filthy rich. This is the game you all are protecting now isn't it ?

It is not an attitude towards those less fortunate. It is an attitude towatrds those who want to sit on their fast self entitled asses and blame others for their problems. It is people who think they are owed a living because they exist and ownt take any steps to help themselves. Meanwhile others are actually improving themselves so they can adapt to new sitiuations.
Pulling the race card is a sign you dont know what the fuck you're blabbering about but looking for some kind of talking point that might hit home. You failed, big time. Just like life.

 

[beagle9]

The leftist logic problem starts before that though. The initial flaw is with the idea that wages should rise in direct relation to productivity. If the workers themselves were responsible for the increase in productivity, that would make sense. In actuality, the workers themselves have little to nothing to do with the increase in productivity. In most cases their jobs are made easier by the very technology that is also responsible for their increased productivity. So wages and overall productivity are not tightly coupled. Individual productivity usually is rewarded by increased wages though. Where an individual is responsible for their own increased productivity, that individual is usually rewarded.

You actually can make statements like this with a straight face ? Without American workers contributing to this great nation or should I say making huge sacrifices as a team working together for this nation, then this nation would be nothing today. The rich or wanna be rich have become total idiots with thoughts such as these that are written so shallow in thought of above. The story of America is a united one, not an exploitation one, where as if weakness is present in a group and/or groups, then seize on the opportunity quickly by getting in and getting out before the exploited gets smart enough to know what had happened to them? Joining up with the world for exploitative purposes will be the end of us.

Yes I can make them with a straight face. That is because they are logical statements based on actuality rather than wishful thinking.

You, on the other hand, are framing your position based only on the emotional. You can't make poilcy based on nothing but what would be nice. Would you destroy the country to pursue feel-good policies? Every move we make HAS to be based in reason and logic. If there are two reasonable and logical courses that can be chosen, THEN you can decide between the two based on emotional appeals to what would be nice or good. Choosing an illogical or unreasonable course of action because it feels nice is nothing but the road to destruction.

No, you are wrong because these are not feel good emotional solutions being talked about here, when in fact they have been tried and tested in the past, and they have worked wonderfully until the greedy came along and destroyed the balance that was once found in it all. Remember deregulation back in the early to mid 90's, and the destruction it led to eventually, thus destroying peoples lives along with their careers and such for a so called better system of doing things ? How did that work out for many in this nation ? Then came the learning how to bring in the illegals to pit against American workers, thus driving them out of their jobs in construction, electrical, brick masonry, manufacturing, landscaping, service work and on and on it all went. Then the lies that were touted by the politicians such as with Bush himself who said " Their only doing JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON"T DO". Remember ? Sickening is what it all is and was. Now the genie is out of the bottle, and there is no going back, so deal with it for what is going on now at the southern border, and even elsewhere in the world as a possible result of it all.

I am old enough to know the past and what worked in areas of the past, but yet was changed sometimes what people thought was for the better, and then sometimes it ended up being for the worst. The worst is what is being protected by some, because it has buttered their bread big time, but it has left so many destroyed all at the same time. There are many guises that are used by those people who are in protect mode, and they do this in order to cloak this problem in which they benefited from, yet it has left the nations working citizens (regardless of the levels they are at) in turmoil and uncertainty for so long now because of.

If I hadn't known this nation when it was more balanced and structured in a more decent and moral way, then I might be fooled, but I knew it when it was good & better, and I know it now as a result of some people doing the wrong things in which has led to people rebelling against the systems in which had been created against them. Greed is what has become a problem, and the protection of that greed is even a bigger problem. It has opened the door for not so good a politicians to take advantage of the downfall, and the politicians who are taking advantage might not have the best interest of this nation as a whole in their eyes either.

 

[Mathbud1]

You actually can make statements like this with a straight face ? Without American workers contributing to this great nation or should I say making huge sacrifices as a team working together for this nation, then this nation would be nothing today. The rich or wanna be rich have become total idiots with thoughts such as these that are written so shallow in thought of above. The story of America is a united one, not an exploitation one, where as if weakness is present in a group and/or groups, then seize on the opportunity quickly by getting in and getting out before the exploited gets smart enough to know what had happened to them? Joining up with the world for exploitative purposes will be the end of us.

Yes I can make them with a straight face. That is because they are logical statements based on actuality rather than wishful thinking.

You, on the other hand, are framing your position based only on the emotional. You can't make poilcy based on nothing but what would be nice. Would you destroy the country to pursue feel-good policies? Every move we make HAS to be based in reason and logic. If there are two reasonable and logical courses that can be chosen, THEN you can decide between the two based on emotional appeals to what would be nice or good. Choosing an illogical or unreasonable course of action because it feels nice is nothing but the road to destruction.

No, you are wrong because these are not feel good emotional solutions being talked about here, when in fact they have been tried and tested in the past, and they have worked wonderfully until the greedy came along and destroyed the balance that was once found in it all.

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.

Remember deregulation back in the early to mid 90's, and the destruction it led to eventually, thus destroying peoples lives along with their careers and such for a so called better system of doing things ? How did that work out for many in this nation ? Then came the learning how to bring in the illegals to pit against American workers, thus driving them out of their jobs in construction, electrical, brick masonry, manufacturing, landscaping, service work and on and on it all went. Then the lies that were touted by the politicians such as with Bush himself who said " Their only doing JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON"T DO". Remember ? Sickening is what it all is and was. Now the genie is out of the bottle, and there is no going back, so deal with it for what is going on now at the southern border, and even elsewhere in the world as a possible result of it all.

How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.

I am old enough to know the past and what worked in areas of the past, but yet was changed sometimes what people thought was for the better, and then sometimes it ended up being for the worst. The worst is what is being protected by some, because it has buttered their bread big time, but it has left so many destroyed all at the same time. There are many guises that are used by those people who are in protect mode, and they do this in order to cloak this problem in which they benefited from, yet it has left the nations working citizens (regardless of the levels they are at) in turmoil and uncertainty for so long now because of.

If I hadn't known this nation when it was more balanced and structured in a more decent and moral way, then I might be fooled, but I knew it when it was good & better, and I know it now as a result of some people doing the wrong things in which has led to people rebelling against the systems in which had been created against them. Greed is what has become a problem, and the protection of that greed is even a bigger problem. It has opened the door for not so good a politicians to take advantage of the downfall, and the politicians who are taking advantage might not have the best interest of this nation as a whole in their eyes either.

You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. To live in the past is to embrace what is dead. To live life to its fullest, each day must be created anew. As rational, thinking beings, we must use our intellect, not a blind devotion to what has come before, to make rational choices.

- Terry Goodkind

 

[beagle9]

Not exactly but the tenor is right.
Yes, if your job skills suck so bad that someone who didnt get the benefit of an American education, can hardly speak English, and has minimal skills can replace you then the problem is not immigration. The problem is you.

And so you having an attitude like you have against those who are less fortunate than you are in life, umm makes you a what then ? Would some consider you a bigot racist arrogant fool that considers everything in terms of class or class warfare in life, and all for the purpose of your greed and exploitation of less fortunate peoples for your greed maybe ? Is this why the liberals are winning the war on repubs because of this attitude that tries to explain things in the way that you all try to explain or frame them in this way ? Maybe you ought not try to be a spokesperson for your cause or your groups cause in life, because you really suck at it. Pulling the race card is appropriate here I think, because it applies perfectly due your attitude towards those who can do a job, but because they didn't pass through your hoops, then they are ripe for exploitation until you decide you have used them up enough before allowing them status to maybe graduate after they are almost dead and you are filthy rich. This is the game you all are protecting now isn't it ?

It is not an attitude towards those less fortunate. It is an attitude towatrds those who want to sit on their fast self entitled asses and blame others for their problems. It is people who think they are owed a living because they exist and ownt take any steps to help themselves. Meanwhile others are actually improving themselves so they can adapt to new sitiuations.
Pulling the race card is a sign you dont know what the fuck you're blabbering about but looking for some kind of talking point that might hit home. You failed, big time. Just like life.

It's not an attitude against those less fortunate eh ? Well you need to go back and rethink your ways of speaking then, because it appears that you have a lot of attitude against those who are less fortunate in life and but of course you do, not to forget to mention that you assign blame and character on to those less fortunate even when it doesn't fit them. You and others do this because you figure they can't come up with a good enough rebuttal against you who are so fortunate in life, but sadly it is you who are only fortunate in the ways of maliciousness, and then framing people into being something that they are not in order to keep the old games going.

 

[beagle9]

Yes I can make them with a straight face. That is because they are logical statements based on actuality rather than wishful thinking.

You, on the other hand, are framing your position based only on the emotional. You can't make poilcy based on nothing but what would be nice. Would you destroy the country to pursue feel-good policies? Every move we make HAS to be based in reason and logic. If there are two reasonable and logical courses that can be chosen, THEN you can decide between the two based on emotional appeals to what would be nice or good. Choosing an illogical or unreasonable course of action because it feels nice is nothing but the road to destruction.

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.

I am old enough to know the past and what worked in areas of the past, but yet was changed sometimes what people thought was for the better, and then sometimes it ended up being for the worst. The worst is what is being protected by some, because it has buttered their bread big time, but it has left so many destroyed all at the same time. There are many guises that are used by those people who are in protect mode, and they do this in order to cloak this problem in which they benefited from, yet it has left the nations working citizens (regardless of the levels they are at) in turmoil and uncertainty for so long now because of.

If I hadn't known this nation when it was more balanced and structured in a more decent and moral way, then I might be fooled, but I knew it when it was good & better, and I know it now as a result of some people doing the wrong things in which has led to people rebelling against the systems in which had been created against them. Greed is what has become a problem, and the protection of that greed is even a bigger problem. It has opened the door for not so good a politicians to take advantage of the downfall, and the politicians who are taking advantage might not have the best interest of this nation as a whole in their eyes either.

You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. To live in the past is to embrace what is dead. To live life to its fullest, each day must be created anew. As rational, thinking beings, we must use our intellect, not a blind devotion to what has come before, to make rational choices.

- Terry Goodkind

Yes we have tried these things in the past, but maybe not in the exact form by which they are talked about today, but yes we have done things in the past to make things better sure.

Where do you think the 40 hour work week came from ? Where do you think the minimum wage came from ? Where do you think any of the good things from the past came from ? they came from fed up citizens who knew they were getting a bad deal under their current system, and so they began work to change the system for the better.

 

[The Rabbi]

And so you having an attitude like you have against those who are less fortunate than you are in life, umm makes you a what then ? Would some consider you a bigot racist arrogant fool that considers everything in terms of class or class warfare in life, and all for the purpose of your greed and exploitation of less fortunate peoples for your greed maybe ? Is this why the liberals are winning the war on repubs because of this attitude that tries to explain things in the way that you all try to explain or frame them in this way ? Maybe you ought not try to be a spokesperson for your cause or your groups cause in life, because you really suck at it. Pulling the race card is appropriate here I think, because it applies perfectly due your attitude towards those who can do a job, but because they didn't pass through your hoops, then they are ripe for exploitation until you decide you have used them up enough before allowing them status to maybe graduate after they are almost dead and you are filthy rich. This is the game you all are protecting now isn't it ?

It is not an attitude towards those less fortunate. It is an attitude towatrds those who want to sit on their fast self entitled asses and blame others for their problems. It is people who think they are owed a living because they exist and ownt take any steps to help themselves. Meanwhile others are actually improving themselves so they can adapt to new sitiuations.
Pulling the race card is a sign you dont know what the fuck you're blabbering about but looking for some kind of talking point that might hit home. You failed, big time. Just like life.

It's not an attitude against those less fortunate eh ? Well you need to go back and rethink your ways of speaking then, because it appears that you have a lot of attitude against those who are less fortunate in life and but of course you do, not to forget to mention that you assign blame and character on to those less fortunate even when it doesn't fit them. You and others do this because you figure they can't come up with a good enough rebuttal against you who are so fortunate in life, but sadly it is you who are only fortunate in the ways of maliciousness, and then framing people into being something that they are not in order to keep the old games going.

People who claim to be "less fortunate" typically ascribe their situation to forces beyond their control. That works OK when someone is 10, 12, even 18 years old. But beyond that it is merely an excuse for lack of intiative, laziness, and self entitlement.

 

[beagle9]

Yes I can make them with a straight face. That is because they are logical statements based on actuality rather than wishful thinking.

You, on the other hand, are framing your position based only on the emotional. You can't make poilcy based on nothing but what would be nice. Would you destroy the country to pursue feel-good policies? Every move we make HAS to be based in reason and logic. If there are two reasonable and logical courses that can be chosen, THEN you can decide between the two based on emotional appeals to what would be nice or good. Choosing an illogical or unreasonable course of action because it feels nice is nothing but the road to destruction.

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.

I am old enough to know the past and what worked in areas of the past, but yet was changed sometimes what people thought was for the better, and then sometimes it ended up being for the worst. The worst is what is being protected by some, because it has buttered their bread big time, but it has left so many destroyed all at the same time. There are many guises that are used by those people who are in protect mode, and they do this in order to cloak this problem in which they benefited from, yet it has left the nations working citizens (regardless of the levels they are at) in turmoil and uncertainty for so long now because of.

If I hadn't known this nation when it was more balanced and structured in a more decent and moral way, then I might be fooled, but I knew it when it was good & better, and I know it now as a result of some people doing the wrong things in which has led to people rebelling against the systems in which had been created against them. Greed is what has become a problem, and the protection of that greed is even a bigger problem. It has opened the door for not so good a politicians to take advantage of the downfall, and the politicians who are taking advantage might not have the best interest of this nation as a whole in their eyes either.

You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. To live in the past is to embrace what is dead. To live life to its fullest, each day must be created anew. As rational, thinking beings, we must use our intellect, not a blind devotion to what has come before, to make rational choices.

- Terry Goodkind

How did they steal the jobs from the Americans you ask ? Well they didn't, but what happened was this, where as it was the American businessmen who set the whole thing up, and to replace the Americans with them because they would work for what they could pay them under the table, meanwhile they got government assistance and free schooling while here, and yes it was all off of the taxpayers dime as a subsidy for them. Wow what a set up that was..wow..... The Americans even if they wanted to work couldn't beat that system of doing things, so it was see ya and wouldn't want to be ya to the American workers. There are countless news reports and claims on this situation, but I bet many hope time erases the knowledge of it all soon. This way people can claim it was all a myth in what people are claiming now, just like you who deny the whole thing by claiming ignorance to these things. In the situation it mattered not how smarter or harder you worked, because you were about to be replaced regardless of these things you speak of, and especially if thinking about asking for a raise in such a rigged game as it was.

 

[Mathbud1]

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.



You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. To live in the past is to embrace what is dead. To live life to its fullest, each day must be created anew. As rational, thinking beings, we must use our intellect, not a blind devotion to what has come before, to make rational choices.

- Terry Goodkind

Yes we have tried these things in the past, but maybe not in the exact form by which they are talked about today, but yes we have done things in the past to make things better sure.

Where do you think the 40 hour work week came from ? Where do you think the minimum wage came from ? Where do you think any of the good things from the past came from ? they came from fed up citizens who knew they were getting a bad deal under their current system, and so they began work to change the system for the better.

Let's try that again.

1. When did we try a federally mandated 36 hour work week?

2. When did we try raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the same exact economic environment we have today (or even a similar one?)

3. When did we try having federally mandated employer provided health coverage with specific guidelines on what must be covered?

I'm not against trying to improve the situation. I think our current situation is a mess. I don't think most of the ideas presented are good solutions, and some are laughably bad solutions.

 

[beagle9]

It is not an attitude towards those less fortunate. It is an attitude towatrds those who want to sit on their fast self entitled asses and blame others for their problems. It is people who think they are owed a living because they exist and ownt take any steps to help themselves. Meanwhile others are actually improving themselves so they can adapt to new sitiuations.
Pulling the race card is a sign you dont know what the fuck you're blabbering about but looking for some kind of talking point that might hit home. You failed, big time. Just like life.

It's not an attitude against those less fortunate eh ? Well you need to go back and rethink your ways of speaking then, because it appears that you have a lot of attitude against those who are less fortunate in life and but of course you do, not to forget to mention that you assign blame and character on to those less fortunate even when it doesn't fit them. You and others do this because you figure they can't come up with a good enough rebuttal against you who are so fortunate in life, but sadly it is you who are only fortunate in the ways of maliciousness, and then framing people into being something that they are not in order to keep the old games going.

People who claim to be "less fortunate" typically ascribe their situation to forces beyond their control. That works OK when someone is 10, 12, even 18 years old. But beyond that it is merely an excuse for lack of intiative, laziness, and self entitlement.

Keep living in your fantasy world of ignorance, because you are making a fool of yourself, and you are not helping but hurting those who are trying to dig out from under such a mess. Why operate in denial of the wrong in it all, and therefore give the opposition party ammo to use over and over again on you and your party in these ways ?

 

[beagle9]

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.



You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Yes we have tried these things in the past, but maybe not in the exact form by which they are talked about today, but yes we have done things in the past to make things better sure.

Where do you think the 40 hour work week came from ? Where do you think the minimum wage came from ? Where do you think any of the good things from the past came from ? they came from fed up citizens who knew they were getting a bad deal under their current system, and so they began work to change the system for the better.

Let's try that again.

1. When did we try a federally mandated 36 hour work week?

2. When did we try raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the same exact economic environment we have today (or even a similar one?)

3. When did we try having federally mandated employer provided health coverage with specific guidelines on what must be covered?

I'm not against trying to improve the situation. I think our current situation is a mess. I don't think most of the ideas presented are good solutions, and some are laughably bad solutions.

I just answered you, but it must not have been the answer that you were looking for, so you want me to somehow conform to your demands for your desired answer or else ? I don't tow the line for no one if they are trying to defend the indefensible or fabricate and/or coerce answers out of someone to their liking.

 

[Slyhunter]

They should get rid of overtime requirements.

 

[Mathbud1]

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.



You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. To live in the past is to embrace what is dead. To live life to its fullest, each day must be created anew. As rational, thinking beings, we must use our intellect, not a blind devotion to what has come before, to make rational choices.

- Terry Goodkind

How did they steal the jobs from the Americans you ask ? Well they didn't, but what happened was this, where as it was the American businessmen who set the whole thing up, and to replace the Americans with them because they would work for what they could pay them under the table, meanwhile they got government assistance and free schooling while here, and yes it was all off of the taxpayers dime as a subsidy for them. Wow what a set up that was..wow..... The Americans even if they wanted to work couldn't beat that system of doing things, so it was see ya and wouldn't want to be ya to the American workers. There are countless news reports and claims on this situation, but I bet many hope time erases the knowledge of it all soon. This way people can claim it was all a myth in what people are claiming now, just like you who deny the whole thing by claiming ignorance to these things. In the situation it mattered not how smarter or harder you worked, because you were about to be replaced regardless of these things you speak of, and especially if thinking about asking for a raise in such a rigged game as it was.

Is this anectdotal? Do you have some personal experience with this?

How were these illegals getting government assistance and free schooling?

In essence, are you saying that the illegals were able to underprice the American workers out of work because they were able to accept lower wages than the Americans could?

I'm not trying to deny anything, and I cannot claim ignorance as ignorance is what I have about these events regardless of any claim. I'm not particularly aged, there was no mention of this in the AP American History course I took in High School, I haven't had any other American History classes since, and I haven't heard anyone talk about American business owners rigging the system to oust the American worker outside of this board.

 

[Slyhunter]

We've tried a 36 hour work week in the past? We've tried raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the current economic environment in the past? We've tried forcing businesses to provide health coverage and mandated what that coverage has to cover in the past?

When did we try all these things? I really must be more ignorant of American history than even I thought I was.



How did these illegals steal the jobs from the people who had them? Did they threaten someone at gunpoint for the job? What actually happened there?

For the record, I am against allowing any illegals to stay in the U.S. It is disrespectful to all the people who did things the right way to get here legally. I don't have a problem with legal immigration. If someone is under-bidding me for a job, I better make damn sure I'm working harder, smarter, and better than they are. Just like people don't always buy the cheapest product, companies don't hire the cheapest labor every time. They buy the best they can get for the price they can afford. So if I have to work a little harder to show them I'm that Best, that will only make me better.



You are still using emotion and nostalgia. The world is not the same as it was and it will never be the same again. We have to look at the situation as it is, evaluate it, and make the best rational decision we can make given the current circumstances.

How did they steal the jobs from the Americans you ask ? Well they didn't, but what happened was this, where as it was the American businessmen who set the whole thing up, and to replace the Americans with them because they would work for what they could pay them under the table, meanwhile they got government assistance and free schooling while here, and yes it was all off of the taxpayers dime as a subsidy for them. Wow what a set up that was..wow..... The Americans even if they wanted to work couldn't beat that system of doing things, so it was see ya and wouldn't want to be ya to the American workers. There are countless news reports and claims on this situation, but I bet many hope time erases the knowledge of it all soon. This way people can claim it was all a myth in what people are claiming now, just like you who deny the whole thing by claiming ignorance to these things. In the situation it mattered not how smarter or harder you worked, because you were about to be replaced regardless of these things you speak of, and especially if thinking about asking for a raise in such a rigged game as it was.

Is this anectdotal? Do you have some personal experience with this?

How were these illegals getting government assistance and free schooling?

In essence, are you saying that the illegals were able to underprice the American workers out of work because they were able to accept lower wages than the Americans could?

I'm not trying to deny anything, and I cannot claim ignorance as ignorance is what I have about these events regardless of any claim. I'm not particularly aged, there was no mention of this in the AP American History course I took in High School, I haven't had any other American History classes since, and I haven't heard anyone talk about American business owners rigging the system to oust the American worker outside of this board.

Everyone gets free schooling whether they are citizens or not.
Everyone who has a kid born in America gets food stamps and assistance whether they themselves are citizens or not.
Illegals/immigrants are able to underprice the American workers because they are willing to live like animals with barely enough room to lay down and sleep they stuff their homes with so many people. Do you want Americans to live like that because they have to bid down the wages to get a job?

In Hong Kong the "working poor" live in cages in hostels. In Japan, the working poor live in coffin size hotels. In Cambodia, they live in the streets or in bamboo huts with no running water, and no electric, the working poor. Doesn't American's working poor deserve better than that?

 

[Mathbud1]

Yes we have tried these things in the past, but maybe not in the exact form by which they are talked about today, but yes we have done things in the past to make things better sure.

Where do you think the 40 hour work week came from ? Where do you think the minimum wage came from ? Where do you think any of the good things from the past came from ? they came from fed up citizens who knew they were getting a bad deal under their current system, and so they began work to change the system for the better.

Let's try that again.

1. When did we try a federally mandated 36 hour work week?

2. When did we try raising the minimum wage to a "living wage" in the same exact economic environment we have today (or even a similar one?)

3. When did we try having federally mandated employer provided health coverage with specific guidelines on what must be covered?

I'm not against trying to improve the situation. I think our current situation is a mess. I don't think most of the ideas presented are good solutions, and some are laughably bad solutions.

I just answered you, but it must not have been the answer that you were looking for, so you want me to somehow conform to your demands for your desired answer or else ? I don't tow the line for no one if they are trying to defend the indefensible or fabricate and/or coerce answers out of someone to their liking.

How am I trying to fabricate or coerce an answer? By asking questions? Questions do usually require that the answer, in fact, answer the question. To the best of my knowledge we have not tried these specific things in the past. If you know of examples when we HAVE tried them, I would like to know about the examples. If you know about SIMILAR attempts in the past, tell me about THEM. If you don't know of any, say so. There isn't anything wrong with admitting you don't know something.

If you don't want to answer questions, that is your right. Just don't pretend you did answer them, and don't expect much in the way of conversation.

 

[boedicca]

ObamaCare is already doing this for millions of people by destroying full time job creation and replacing it with parttime jobs.