Thank You, Founding Fathers, For the Electoral System

[Weatherman2020]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It’s fascinating to think that our founders knew there would be states that would foster and manifest disgusting human beings in mass numbers. They protected good, real Americans with the EC system. Their foresight was absolutely amazing.
BUT boy did they fuck up with the 14th and birthright citizenship.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It’s fascinating to think that our founders knew there would be states that would foster and manifest disgusting human beings in mass numbers. They protected good, real Americans with the EC system. Their foresight was absolutely amazing.
BUT boy did they fuck up with the 14th and birthright citizenship.

They wrongly assumed leaders of the future would have the courage and brains to protect America.

And all the FF were dead when the 14th was ratified.

 

[Stratford57]

That's how it was possible to ignore millions of illegal votes.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It’s fascinating to think that our founders knew there would be states that would foster and manifest disgusting human beings in mass numbers. They protected good, real Americans with the EC system. Their foresight was absolutely amazing.
BUT boy did they fuck up with the 14th and birthright citizenship.

They did know. They did not want Boston and New York making decisions for Virginia and Georgia.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It’s fascinating to think that our founders knew there would be states that would foster and manifest disgusting human beings in mass numbers. They protected good, real Americans with the EC system. Their foresight was absolutely amazing.
BUT boy did they fuck up with the 14th and birthright citizenship.

They wrongly assumed leaders of the future would have the courage and brains to protect America.

And all the FF were dead when the 14th was ratified.

I hear ya...but the 14th was authored off our founders framework.

 

[Pogo]

It’s fascinating to think that our founders knew there would be states that would foster and manifest disgusting human beings in mass numbers. They protected good, real Americans with the EC system. Their foresight was absolutely amazing.
BUT boy did they fuck up with the 14th and birthright citizenship.

They did know. They did not want Boston and New York making decisions for Virginia and Georgia.

Oh fucking bullshit. Virginia was by far the biggest electoral influence of its time. Go ask your teacher what state the first five presidents came from and tell me if Utah is the one that keeps coming up.

Dumbass.

No Virginia, every one except Adams, and 32 years out of 36, were slaveholders from Virginia. And that was ensured by the Electoral College and its infamous "three-fifths compromise" that let them count three-fifths of their slaves toward representational power while awarding those slaves zero-fifths of a vote in their own interests.

What the Electoral College does in practice is toss most voters' choices directly in the trash bin, prevents most citizens from seeing candidates in a campaign, creates artificial bullshit divisions of so-called "red" and "blue" states, which would not exist otherwise, and perpetuates the Duopoly forever with zero chance of any third party ever challenging it, ensuring we are condemned to a fake choice between Tweedle Fucking Dum and Tweedle Fucking Dee forever, whirled without end Amen.

Such a brilliant system that is that the only country in the world that elects leaders in a similar way is fucking Pakistan.

 

[BlackFlag]

Support this: National Popular Vote

Also, VOTE this November

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You will not get a majority of states to vote to disenfranchise themselves. So you will not remove the electoral college.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I don't see this changing any time soon.

Maybe if the right loses the electoral college but wins the popular vote, we might be able to take a non-partisan approach at this.

But I doubt it.

 

[BlackFlag]

You will not get a majority of states to vote to disenfranchise themselves. So you will not remove the electoral college.

Don't need to. It's an interstate compact.

 

[Wolfstrike]

once the electoral system is gone, California will swing an election by claiming we have two billion voters here.

by the time the feds come to check, California will have imported two billion more people

 

[Anathema]

Support this: National Popular Vote

Also, VOTE this November

When you consider that I believe at least 85-90% of Americans don’t deserve to vote, why would I ever support that?

I’m a staunch Conservative living in the Communistwealth of Taxachusetts; my vote has never counted.

 

[Votto]

Otherwise the votes in California, where it's legal to knowingly transmit HIV but you go to prison for handing out a straw, would have mattered.

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy. That is why you have two Houses of Congress. One is elected directly by the people and the other was set up so that states could appoint Senators. To see how much they feared democracy, just look at how they set these two chambers up. The House Representatives were only given 2 years and the Senate was given 6 years. In addition, there were only 2 Senators per state, making their votes count even more. The increased power and influence of the Senators over those in the House speak volumes as to how the Founding Fathers viewed direct democracy.

But alas, the Progressive movement came along and changed all that by having Senators elected directly by the people. Now having two chambers of Congress is pointless. In fact, you could argue that having those in the Senate being elected directly should force them to run every 2 years, in order to flush them out like those in the House.

So I reckon the Electoral college is the next objective of the Progressive to destroy. If this ever happens, New York and California will decide every election, something that Progressives fantasize about every day as the rest of us are all held hostage with no where to run.

 

[there4eyeM]

We can thank the "founders" for the many 'rights' they enumerated.
Also, the Civil War leads directly back to them. Leaving women out of 'rights' is another one of their contributions. Oh, of course, the treatment of 'Natives' was a standard setter. Farsightedness was, perhaps, not their most developed sense.

 

[JoeB131]

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy.

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

 

[JoeB131]

So I reckon the Electoral college is the next objective of the Progressive to destroy. If this ever happens, New York and California will decide every election, something that Progressives fantasize about every day as the rest of us are all held hostage with no where to run.

The only way those two states could decide the election is if they made up 50% of the electorate... which they don't.

I should point out that even with an awful candidate like Trump, the GOP still got 40% of the vote in those states. They were hardly monolithic.

 

[there4eyeM]

To the extent that America 'works' is due to the desire of people that it do so. It would work much better if people wanted that and acted on it.
The possibility is there every two years for a genuine, non-violent revolution by turning over the House. Lazy, complacent people fail to take advantage of their power, so the power goes to the crafty few.

 

[Votto]

The Founding Fathers feared a direct democracy.

They also feared their slaves getting freedom, shit in Chamber pots and thought bleeding people was a valid medical treatment.

Heck, even their original idea for the EC didn't work out that well, which is why they had to amend it with the 12th Amendment after the first couple of tries turned into a train wreck.

Here's the real problem with the EC. It disenfranchises most states. There's really no point in voting Republican in CA or Democratic in TX (at least for now). The election comes down to about 10 swing states, which are often vulnerable to the kind of hacking that went on in 2016.

It also locks us into a two party system that most folks kind of agree is broken. Third parties kind of whither and die after one cycle.

A much better system would be to have a general election and if no one gets more than 50% of the vote, then you have a run-off between the top two vote getters.

It has nothing to do with the 2 party system. The issue is how Progressives have centralized power.

It used to be that states ran their own affairs, but the Federal government increasingly has taken over their power. Now the President determines such things as to how your child is educated in school to what doctor you should see. It's freak'in ridiculous and never designed this way. Now it is to the point where every Presidential election cycle, half of the country wants to impeach the President because power is so top heavy.

To give a better illustration as to what I'm talking about, look back at how Obamacare was passed. There you had Kennedy just diagnosed with brain cancer as Dims scrambled to change the laws regarding replacing him so that no one could be elected to stop Obamacare, since they were depending on his vote in the Senate to pass it. Talk about hating democracy. Fortunately, they failed in changing those laws, as Scott Brown, the first Republican in decades, won. How did he win in such a liberal states as MA? He ran by saying he would vote against Obamacare, because those in MA were happy with their Romneycare.

So you would think that the democratic process would then have stopped Obamacare. Nope. Dims pulled another fast one with Reconciliation, a process that bypassed the Senate and that is not Constitutional. That is when you had Nancy Pelosi get up there and say that you had to pass the legislation to know what is in it. Again, such disregard for the democratic process when it does not or will not go the Dims way.

Now step back and ask yourself, what if states could decide such issues as health care, abortion, and gay marriage? You would no longer have half the country wanting to secede from the union every 4 years.

It would also help end corruption. Instead of buying off a hand full of powerful federal bureaucrats, you would be faced with multiplying that number by about 50 once state legislators regained their power over their own affairs. This is the way it was set up and it worked just fine.

For those interested, support your local Article V movement for states to amend the Constitution and regain their power back. About 12 states have already signed on and we only need 3/4 of them to make it a reality.

 

[Votto]

So I reckon the Electoral college is the next objective of the Progressive to destroy. If this ever happens, New York and California will decide every election, something that Progressives fantasize about every day as the rest of us are all held hostage with no where to run.

The only way those two states could decide the election is if they made up 50% of the electorate... which they don't.

I should point out that even with an awful candidate like Trump, the GOP still got 40% of the vote in those states. They were hardly monolithic.

The only way the two states could determine an election by popular vote is if those two states had 50% of the electorate? LMAO! Sure, if everyone else voted GOP.

No, Hillary won the popular vote only BECAUSE of the population levels of New York and California.

I just love Prog fuzzy math. Next you will show me how Universal health care coverage can be paid for by gutting the military or banning plastic straws.