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You seem to be on both sides of the issue. You agree ending them won't hurt them but then are loath to let them go.Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyHigh end German automakers are coming out with EV and hybrids that will eat his lunch.
And using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
ALL OF THOSE COMPANIES WERE RECEIVING MONIES FROM THEIR OWN EV's'. This reduction of tax credits will hit all the companies across the board. Telsa was given an extremely high percentage of tax credits because of the donor status to democrats. Those special interest cut outs that you dems purport to so hate? Yet they are ok if it forwards your agenda..."Parent Companies Receiving More Than $500M Since 2000
Parent Company Federal Grants and Allocated Tax Credits
Iberdrola $2,172,641,752
NextEra Energy $1,938,811,949
NRG Energy $1,730,060,410
Southern Company $1,475,553,962
Summit Power $1,441,936,555
SCS Energy $1,254,154,000
Tenaska $966,252,326
Duke Energy $898,436,173
General Electric $836,524,548
Exelon $734,674,010
EDP-Energias de Portugal $722,468,855
Leucadia National $651,647,087
SunEdison $649,564,635
General Atomics $614,658,667
Abengoa $605,128,646
Air Products & Chemicals $604,170,312
Ameren $594,809,786
E.ON $576,149,728
AES $566,920,950
Invenergy $531,915,559
General Motors $529,398,581"
from: Which Companies Get the Most Federal Subsidies?
But Tesla is the problem? Funny, I don't see anyone screaming about these companies.
You seem to be on both sides of the issue. You agree ending them won't hurt them but then are loath to let them go.Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyHigh end German automakers are coming out with EV and hybrids that will eat his lunch.
And using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
As for resale who would buy a used ev knowing they have a huge battery change charge looming
Double speak.....Eve market would establish itself if most of their products weren't half baked ugly pieces of shit designed to get govt money instead of customers
Doesn't make it less true.Double speak.....Eve market would establish itself if most of their products weren't half baked ugly pieces of shit designed to get govt money instead of customers
"half-baked ugly pieces of shit"? I respectfully disagree that this description fits the Tesla products.
Doesn't make it less true.Double speak.....Eve market would establish itself if most of their products weren't half baked ugly pieces of shit designed to get govt money instead of customers
"half-baked ugly pieces of shit"? I respectfully disagree that this description fits the Tesla products.
like this?I think I might start typing my posts in orange from now on!!!
Hey Billy...........what do you think?????
WINNING!
Interesting the 'Conservatives' hatred for an all American product that is at the cutting edge of technology. And their objections to the cost of the Tesla S are humorous, since they don't seem to object to the high cost of of the luxury cars that compete head on with the Tesla. But the price of the S, and other models, will be coming down shortly as the solid state batteries, sodium and lithium, come on market.
Toyota’s new solid-state battery could make its way to cars by 2020
Toyota is touting its progress on a new kind of battery technology, which uses a solid electrolyte instead of the conventional semi-liquid version used in today’s lithium-ion batteries. The car maker said that it’s near a breakthrough in production engineering that could help it put the new tech in production electric vehicles as early as 2020, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The improved battery technology would make it possible to create smaller, more lightweight lithium-ion batteries for use in EVs, that could also potentially boost the total charge capacity and result in longer-range vehicles.
Another improvement for this type of battery would be longer overall usable life, which would make it possible to both use the vehicles they’re installed in for longer, and add potential for product recycling and alternative post-vehicle life (some companies are already looking into putting EV batteries into use in home and commercial energy storage, for example).
Batteries remain a key limiting factor for electric vehicle design, because of how far tech companies focused on the problem have pushed existing science. The move to solid state would help make room for more gains in terms of charge capacity achieved in the footprint available in consumer vehicles, while helping to push further existing efficiencies achieved through things like the use of ultra-light materials in car frames and interiors.
Toyota isn’t saying yet where its batteries will end up, but any edge here is bound to be a big boon for automakers looking at a future that increasingly seems like it’ll be dominated by EVs.
. Its like comparing the Houston Astros to some single A farm team!
Yep.. Your windmills killing off the birds, allowing pests to increase, driving natural wildlife insane with low hum vibrations, Killing the environment with battery production (which equals the burning of 10 years of gas in one car for one EV battery) Then making fossil fuel plants run longer and heaver to charge your EV's when your solar and wind don't produce...ALL OF THOSE COMPANIES WERE RECEIVING MONIES FROM THEIR OWN EV's'. This reduction of tax credits will hit all the companies across the board. Telsa was given an extremely high percentage of tax credits because of the donor status to democrats. Those special interest cut outs that you dems purport to so hate? Yet they are ok if it forwards your agenda..."Parent Companies Receiving More Than $500M Since 2000
Parent Company Federal Grants and Allocated Tax Credits
Iberdrola $2,172,641,752
NextEra Energy $1,938,811,949
NRG Energy $1,730,060,410
Southern Company $1,475,553,962
Summit Power $1,441,936,555
SCS Energy $1,254,154,000
Tenaska $966,252,326
Duke Energy $898,436,173
General Electric $836,524,548
Exelon $734,674,010
EDP-Energias de Portugal $722,468,855
Leucadia National $651,647,087
SunEdison $649,564,635
General Atomics $614,658,667
Abengoa $605,128,646
Air Products & Chemicals $604,170,312
Ameren $594,809,786
E.ON $576,149,728
AES $566,920,950
Invenergy $531,915,559
General Motors $529,398,581"
from: Which Companies Get the Most Federal Subsidies?
But Tesla is the problem? Funny, I don't see anyone screaming about these companies.
My agenda? You mean like cutting dependence on foriegn oil, reducing damage to the environment, and bringing technological advances to the world? Ok. If you call that an "agenda", I am good with that.
Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyHigh end German automakers are coming out with EV and hybrids that will eat his lunch.
And using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
A chart showing estimated numbers of birds killed annually by each of several different causes. Data from various sources.
Causes of Bird Mortality - Sibley Guides
Completely off topic, Silly Billy. However, by the Sibley chart, before we worry about the windmills, we had better remove all our windows, kill all the cats, remove all the communication towers and high tension lines, stop using cars and pesticides, then we can worry about the windmills. LOL
And the top end Tesla S will still blow away almost all the other cars on the market to the legal limit, and doing smoothly without a lot of racket. And long after the Hellcat and Demon are rusting hulks in the junkyard, the Tesla's will still be running, and blowing the doors off most production cars.
What a fucked up liar you remain, Mr. Westwall.Most innvators dont need a constant supply of govt moneyHigh end German automakers are coming out with EV and hybrids that will eat his lunch.
And using technology that Tesla created.
Also, the German gov't provides huge incentives, subsidies and tax breaks for car manufacturers of all types, and are virtually funding the EV development there. I guess that would help them compete, wouldn't it?
And so far, none of them are eating his lunch. And BMW, Mercedes, and other have extensive production facilities in place. Tesla started from scratch in 2008.
But I guess innovation isn't an American value like it once was.
Most innovators are not trying to design, build, market and sell a totally new line of cars.
Neither is musk. EV's have been around for over 100 years now. The fact remains they are nowhere near as efficient as ICE powered vehicles no matter how much you wish to believe so. Their reliance on heavy, toxic batteries is their biggest downfall. A truly revolutionary vehicle would be one powered via broadcast energy system as envisioned by Tesla himself where there is no Grid. Come up with that truly revolutionary technology and ICE vehicles would disappear almost overnight.
What musk is peddling is a re wrapped old tech.
Interesting the 'Conservatives' hatred for an all American product that is at the cutting edge of technology. And their objections to the cost of the Tesla S are humorous, since they don't seem to object to the high cost of of the luxury cars that compete head on with the Tesla. But the price of the S, and other models, will be coming down shortly as the solid state batteries, sodium and lithium, come on market.
Toyota’s new solid-state battery could make its way to cars by 2020
Toyota is touting its progress on a new kind of battery technology, which uses a solid electrolyte instead of the conventional semi-liquid version used in today’s lithium-ion batteries. The car maker said that it’s near a breakthrough in production engineering that could help it put the new tech in production electric vehicles as early as 2020, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The improved battery technology would make it possible to create smaller, more lightweight lithium-ion batteries for use in EVs, that could also potentially boost the total charge capacity and result in longer-range vehicles.
Another improvement for this type of battery would be longer overall usable life, which would make it possible to both use the vehicles they’re installed in for longer, and add potential for product recycling and alternative post-vehicle life (some companies are already looking into putting EV batteries into use in home and commercial energy storage, for example).
Batteries remain a key limiting factor for electric vehicle design, because of how far tech companies focused on the problem have pushed existing science. The move to solid state would help make room for more gains in terms of charge capacity achieved in the footprint available in consumer vehicles, while helping to push further existing efficiencies achieved through things like the use of ultra-light materials in car frames and interiors.
Toyota isn’t saying yet where its batteries will end up, but any edge here is bound to be a big boon for automakers looking at a future that increasingly seems like it’ll be dominated by EVs.
Not hated......its just people don't want these cars because they are overpriced and a pita to maintain. Most people don't want the hassle of having to get home from work and charge the damn thing and pay waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more for doing it. Not to mention the worry of the charge.....one can post up a billion links about how easy it is but most people like routine and reliability. There is just no getting around it and again, especially when weighed against price.
Again and as Ive said in here many times..........to progressives, costs in life are no concern.......$ costs and time costs. But in the life of real Americans, costs do matter.
Last year, about 150,000 EV's were sold in America. C'mon now.........that's nothing short of laughable. Ford sold more F150 trucks in the first 2 months of last year.
Good, they don't need the subsidy and we're broke.One thing I cannot understand is why the hatred for Tesla? All the people calling it "ghey" or whatever.
If you don't like the car, don't buy one. If it is the money, look at where the gov't really wastes it. This is pocket change by comparison.
It seems like ignorance to me. And Teslas are all over Atlanta.
Killing the tax break is a mistake. But if anyone thinks taking away a $7,500 tax break will make people not buy a $100k to $160k car, they have lost their mind.
Yep.. Your windmills killing off the birds, allowing pests to increase, driving natural wildlife insane with low hum vibrations, Killing the environment with battery production (which equals the burning of 10 years of gas in one car for one EV battery) Then making fossil fuel plants run longer and heaver to charge your EV's when your solar and wind don't produce...ALL OF THOSE COMPANIES WERE RECEIVING MONIES FROM THEIR OWN EV's'. This reduction of tax credits will hit all the companies across the board. Telsa was given an extremely high percentage of tax credits because of the donor status to democrats. Those special interest cut outs that you dems purport to so hate? Yet they are ok if it forwards your agenda..."Parent Companies Receiving More Than $500M Since 2000
Parent Company Federal Grants and Allocated Tax Credits
Iberdrola $2,172,641,752
NextEra Energy $1,938,811,949
NRG Energy $1,730,060,410
Southern Company $1,475,553,962
Summit Power $1,441,936,555
SCS Energy $1,254,154,000
Tenaska $966,252,326
Duke Energy $898,436,173
General Electric $836,524,548
Exelon $734,674,010
EDP-Energias de Portugal $722,468,855
Leucadia National $651,647,087
SunEdison $649,564,635
General Atomics $614,658,667
Abengoa $605,128,646
Air Products & Chemicals $604,170,312
Ameren $594,809,786
E.ON $576,149,728
AES $566,920,950
Invenergy $531,915,559
General Motors $529,398,581"
from: Which Companies Get the Most Federal Subsidies?
But Tesla is the problem? Funny, I don't see anyone screaming about these companies.
My agenda? You mean like cutting dependence on foriegn oil, reducing damage to the environment, and bringing technological advances to the world? Ok. If you call that an "agenda", I am good with that.
You obviously haven't thought this through critically.. Your good with massive destruction of our environment and animals for your fantasy..
