temple mount

[Shusha]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

 

[fanger]

Hey shusha, I am posting in my free time, are you posting on your employers time?

Isn't it against the rules to fish for personal information?

When people start making personal attacks, I always assume an inability to reason and discuss the actual arguments.

not fishing,not asking for personal information it's just i have some personal investment in a Canadian bank and just wondered if the staff are working for the bank or pursuing religious agendas during work time

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hey shusha, I am posting in my free time, are you posting on your employers time?

Isn't it against the rules to fish for personal information?

When people start making personal attacks, I always assume an inability to reason and discuss the actual arguments.

not fishing,not asking for personal information it's just i have some personal investment in a Canadian bank and just wondered if the staff are working for the bank or pursuing religious agendas during work time nothing posted here will be collected and forwarded

Let us all laugh. Hahahahahahahahahaha

Such a good joke.

Time to pursue a career as a comic, instead of wasting so much time attacking Israel and Jews and anyone who does not agree with your beliefs.

Never mind if you are doing this during working hours, or your endless free time.


hahahahahahahahaha

 

[fanger]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

And Hardball they will get back

 

[Sixties Fan]

What exactly is the status quo?

 

[Hollie]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

And Hardball they will get back

Not from you, obviously.

 

[Roudy]

More Trouble expected at Noble Sanctuary (Temple Mount) tomorrow

"The Palestinian group Fatah, which controls the West Bank, has called for a ‘Day of Rage’ on 28 July in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The purpose of the action is to protest ongoing security measures implemented by Israeli authorities at the entrance to the Al-Aqsa Mosque, located on the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary complex in East Jerusalem’s Old City."
Situation report: Day of Rage protests expected in Palestine - opinion.red24.com

The Israelis' attitude toward the Palestinians has be founded on taking their land to establish a sectarian Jewish state.
Half a century ago this was compounded by the blockading of Gaza followed by periodic massacres of children and civilians.
The West Bank has also been occupied, renamed Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem has been annexed.
Settlements will also be annexed to Israel and the indigenous Palestinians are being kept in reservations.
To unilaterally move into the grounds of the Noble Sanctuary, Islam's third holiest site under the authority of Jordan, with gates and cameras as if Israel owned it, was rubbing salt in an open wound.
The Palestinians are outraged at long last.

Jewish police clash with Muslim worshipers at the Noble Sanctuary on Thursday

If they are going to rage, might as well put the camera and metal detectors back so the people praying at the wall will be safer.

Short of slitting their own throats, nothing Israel does will satisfy.

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

It isn't only about DNA. Israel has been the religious, ancestral, and cultural homeland of the Jews for the last four thousand years.

Exactly but many Arabs say they don't belong there because they are European Jews.
It's a ridiculous argument.

It's about as ridiculous as saying only Arab Muslims are allowed to live in Saudi Arabia / Mecca, no Muslims from Africa, Far East, Indonesia, etc. they're "fake Muslims". Ha ha ha. Ya gotta love it.

 

[Roudy]

If the Israelis went home it would help.

They are home.
DNA says all Jews and Arabs are of middle eastern decent.

Excuse some of my writing. I thought you might be anti Israel and anti Jews from what you wrote.

What did I write to make you think that?

Exactly what you wrote, that DNA proves that all Jews and Arabs
come from the Middle East. It did not specify where in the Middle East each came from, which does make a difference.
Mainly because some anti Israel posters tend to post that Palestinians and Israelis have the same DNA, which they do not.

The DNA of Palestinian Christians and Muslims is indistinguishable from the DNA of Arab Jews and Samaritans. In fact, Palestinians surnamed Buwarda, Kasem, Muslimani, Shakshir and Yaish are known to be Samaritan families that converted to Islam.

It is obviously different from Ashkenazi Jew DNA . Ashkenazi Jew DNA is European DNA.

Again with the DNA Shme-NA. Who cares! You just like to repeat the same shit propaganda over and over, regardless of the topic of the thread.

This boat has sailed a long time ago. The Jews are there now, and in control, and doing quite well. Even the "European Jews" are now third and fourth generation. Do you really think a bunch of IslamoNazi Arab Muslim terrorist animals are going to make them leave? Ha ha ha dream fucking on.

 

[Roudy]

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Gaza is under israeli blockade= an act of war

And?
You think there is no good reason ?
Gaza has not kept any peace treaty, Israel has tried to for 69 years.

Gaza = terrorist central. The entire area is governed by terrorists. Case closed.

 

[Roudy]

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".


If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

Why should the native people have accepted the partition of their land to give more than 50% of it to European colonists? I don't get your logic. No people would have accepted such a thing without violently resisting the theft.

The native Arab Jews of Palestine were not a problem for their fellow Muslims and Christians. They spoke Arabic and they had the same customs as the Muslim and Christian Arabs. It's the European colonizer that was and is the problem. Palestine filmed before the arrival of the bulk of the colonizers (in 1896) is depicted in this documentary.

"Native Arab Jews" ROTFLOL

That is such a good one. LOL Jews are Arabs.
No....wait....Arabs are Jews.....
No .....wait......wait.....wait.....

The Jews in Arab conquered lands had it good, hey? They were not mistreated at all, did not have to pay a special tax or else?
How long had the Jews been in Mesopotamia before the Arab conquest?

No, Monti, neither Jews nor Arabs are indigenous of Mesopotamia.
Nor Egypt. Nor Syria. Nor Phoenicia (Lebanon).

They had exactly the SAME CUSTOMS as the Muslim and Christian Arabs.

Yes, sure.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are exactly one and the same, and interchangeble, are they not Monti.?

No wonder you are so confused

Keep telling your tall stories about ALL Jews had become Christian and Muslims by this or that century.
Except, you cannot show any writing, book, nothing for evidence to this more than extraterrestrial theory.

The endless molehills you build out of clay.

I see you are confused and have never met an Arab Jew. I have met many. Tunisia was full of Arab Jews when I lived there as kid.

I have provided evidence of the conversion of the native people to Christianity 100s of times. Here is a Penn State University genetic study that says the same thing.

"By the fifth century AD, the majority of non-Jews and Jews had become Christians by conversion (Bachi 1974)."

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.401.6750&rep=rep1&type=pdf

It is you that present mythology and only mythology. All of your sources are Hasbara sources. What neutral observer can possibly take you seriously when you never, absolutely never, provide anything but propaganda as sources.

Here learn a little instead of constantly posting lies and bullshit.

" I am an Arab Jew. Or, more specifically, an Iraqi Israeli woman living, writing and teaching in the U.S. Most members of my family were born and raised in Baghdad, and now live in Iraq, Israel, the U.S., England, and Holland. When my grandmother first encountered Israeli society in the '50s, she was convinced that the people who looked, spoke and ate so differently--the European Jews--were actually European Christians. Jewishness for her generation was inextricably associated with Middle Easterness. My grandmother, who still lives in Israel and still communicates largely in Arabic, had to be taught to speak of "us" as Jews and "them" as Arabs. For Middle Easterners, the operating distinction had always been "Muslim," "Jew," and "Christian," not Arab versus Jew. The assumption was that "Arabness" referred to a common shared culture and language, albeit with religious differences. "

Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat

Ha Ha! Iraqi Jews! The same ones that Arab Muslim animals committed ethnic cleansing on! At one point a third of Baghdad was Jewish. How many are there today? Maybe five or six. You are a total ignoramus. Get lost.

 

[Roudy]

Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?

Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

WTF? Are you talking about the metal detectors? Every major holy site in the world uses them. The Muslims accessing the Temple Mount was the exception -- right up until they took advantage of that exception to murder people. Why should Muslims at the Temple Mount (a Jewish holy place) be the exception? Why should they get special privileges?

I think they should also remove all metal detectors from the Vatican! Muslims have a right to sneak in bombs and weapons! This oppression must stop! LOL

 

[fanger]

Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?

Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

WTF? Are you talking about the metal detectors? Every major holy site in the world uses them. The Muslims accessing the Temple Mount was the exception -- right up until they took advantage of that exception to murder people. Why should Muslims at the Temple Mount (a Jewish holy place) be the exception? Why should they get special privileges?

I think they should also remove all metal detectors from the Vatican! Muslims have a right to sneak in bombs and weapons! This oppression must stop! LOL

Put metal detectors on all synagogues and have them operated by non jews

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

(Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

Interesting that no church or mosque in the West Bank or Gaza have metal detectors.

 

[Roudy]

Israel can't handle peace, they provide nothing else but violence, and the leader scare everyone into giving them the (corrupt) power thru fear

Laughable in the wake of these past two weeks which was caused by Arab Muslim violence and Israel's response was metal detectors. And the Arab Muslim response to that simple thing, accepted every else in the world as normal, was "days of Rage".

Who's being violent here?

Why do israeli's in particular and jews in general, feel they have the right to control other people in their own daily life?

WTF? Are you talking about the metal detectors? Every major holy site in the world uses them. The Muslims accessing the Temple Mount was the exception -- right up until they took advantage of that exception to murder people. Why should Muslims at the Temple Mount (a Jewish holy place) be the exception? Why should they get special privileges?

I think they should also remove all metal detectors from the Vatican! Muslims have a right to sneak in bombs and weapons! This oppression must stop! LOL

Put metal detectors on all synagogues and have them operated by non jews

It's the Muslims that built their mosque on the site of an ancient Jewish temple, idiot. The land is now conquered and ruled by Jews. They did a big favor by trusting the Arabs and agreeing to let Muslims control themselves.

 

[Roudy]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

(Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

Interesting that no church or mosque in the West Bank or Gaza have metal detectors.

Interesting that you ignore that Palestinians Muslims have also set fire to churches in the West Bank, and desecrated the Tomb of the Patriarchs, an Jewish holy site in Hebron.

 

[fncceo]

... have them operated by non jews

Makes sense, goyim love minimum wage jobs.

 

[Hollie]

Not all the Muslims countries would dare to attack Israel. They know it is stronger then they are and that is why there has not been a full blown war as in 1948, 1956, 1967 or 1973 since then.

Israel has become stronger and they know it will beat them all.
And many of the Arab countries are counting on Israel to keep Iran away in case it attempts to attack any of them.

Exactly. So, the question is whether or not this is a good time for Israel to assert herself. Is it too soon? Should she wait a little longer?

The risk in waiting a bit longer is to allow the extremist factions to solidify their strength. The benefit of waiting a little longer is to solidify Israel's relationship with a few key players as allies. Tough call.

Both Jordan and Israel will face an internal threat as well as an external one.

I, like many others, think Israel should not have removed the security at the Mount.

Unfortunately, with all the incitement against Israel, a Jordanian tried to kill an Israeli.

And unfortunately Israel has to walk a thin line sometimes just to keep the Peace treaty which the Jordanians, and this King, do not really want, but needs to be maintained.
Egypt is now the same thing.
And look as to how Turkey yo-yos back and forth depending on its interests, if it is going to be nice with Israel or bash it.

If it was just between the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians, this would have ended long ago, after 1948.

But it is not the Palestinians.

It is the Arab Nation.

And it is the Muslim Nation, as they see the world and what can be done about what they ultimate Islamic goal is. Conquest of the world.

So, unless someone who can be decisive and make the Arabs fear Israel again, is going to become PM of Israel, than the egg shells status quo will remain for now.

We have Gaza. We have Hezbollah, we have Iran. Too many Muslims pointing their weapons at Israel, knowing that she will defeat them.

What will probably will need to happen first is the Gaza and Hezbollah issues taken care of. Yes, a war, or however Israel is going to deal with them in a decisive manner, as they cannot be allowed to build up again, which means taking care that Iran does not attack Israel, if its two lackeys do not succeed.

Once they are defeated and the peril of all three, and possibly ISIS has subsided, then one can impose on the Arabs and Muslims to negotiate and put an end to all of this.

Gaza, Hezbollah, Iran. Not an easy area to live. Not easy neighbors.

I don't think we disagree at all. Its a delicate situation and impossible to predict outcomes with so many players.

I would say the short version is that Israel should cement relations with her potential allies, and yes, that includes some reasoned compromises. (Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

But eventually it is going to come to war. And Israel is going to need to play hardball with the Palestinians in that war.

(Though I agree Israel should not have taken down the metal detectors).

Interesting that no church or mosque in the West Bank or Gaza have metal detectors.

Why would churches need metal detectors?

 

[peach174]

They had to.
Israel is there to stay ,they aren't going anywhere, including the European, American and African Jews who moved there back to their ancestral roots and homeland.

No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".

If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

It would be interesting to see what they think of the African Christian Jews.

Putting genetics and mixing it with their religion as one ,no wonder they are confused.
All Jewish DNA comes from the middle east.
Jews where chased out of their homeland and they fled.
Some to Europe, some to Africa others to America and other lands as well. For the last 2,000 years.
Jews just like everyone else can have a different religion or no religion.
DNA is DNA and has nothing to do with ones religion.
Never mind that all three religious books agree that that Israel is the homeland of all the Jews.

 

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No they didn't "have to" - any more than the Palestinians "had to" to fight for THEIR rights.

Israel is there to stay, and people need to accept that.
The Palestinians are there to stay also, and people need to accept that.

Yes if only those in Gaza would accept it, but they don't.

Those two facts need to be accepted by everyone as well as the fact that each has fundamental rights that must be respected.

Well the Palestinians refuse to accept the European Jews.

As we know, but the Arabs try to change it into them being "European natives", the European Jews came from Asia, specifically from Asia Minor, from the Land of Israel.

The Jews have accepted living with the Arabs under their sovereignty from the time of the Balfour Declaration.

The Arabs, being Muslims, and following a no-giving-up-any-Muslim-conquered-land-ever, cannot accept Arabs, or any Muslims living under Jewish sovereignty, even if the land is the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

Arabs, the Husseini clan, could not accept it and started the riots in 1920. Then 1921. Then 1929. That clan speared all other Arabs to not accept Jewish sovereignty on ancient Jewish homeland.

The Jews accepted TransJordan going to the Hashemites, against article 5 of the Mandate for Palestine.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1937.

The Jews accepted the partition of 1947.

The Muslims, Arabs, refuse not only the "European" Jews, they cannot accept any Jew, whether they stayed on the land or not.

So, to Coyote, Elroy and others:

How does one change the Muslim mentality which is to see Jews as animals, as less then human, as having to always be under Muslim
subjection.

This is not ALL Muslims. But too many of them, and well armed and too powerful for the rest of the Muslim, Arab world to be able to do anything about it.

Arabs from Jerusalem have been requesting citizenship to become Israelis because they do not want to be part of the "State of Palestine".

If the Israeli policies were so awful as it is usually said, why do Arabs want to stay, and not only reside there but become citizens of Israel and not of the State of Palestine, or Gaza. Or Jordan for that matter?

It would be interesting to see what they think of the African Christian Jews.

Putting genetics and mixing it with their religion as one ,no wonder they are confused.
All Jewish DNA comes from the middle east.
Jews where chased out of their homeland and they fled.
Some to Europe, some to Africa others to America and other lands as well. For the last 2,000 years.
Jews just like everyone else can have a different religion or no religion.
DNA is DNA and has nothing to do with ones religion.
Never mind that all three religious books agree that that Israel is the homeland of all the Jews.

The only difference between Christian Jews and Jews is Jews don't believe in Christ as their messiah that he will come in the future.
Christian Jews practice the same way only they believe that Christ is the messiah.
They do all of the jewish traditions and rituals as all jews do.
Believing in Christ does not change their jewish religion.

 

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The only difference between Christian Jews and Jews is Jews don't believe in Christ

Not the only difference ... but a major one. We also have substantially different concepts of the nature of sin and the after life. Belief in a divine entity other than G-d is polytheism (the awkward concept of The Trinity notwithstanding) and a Messianic 'Jew' would be considered a Jew in apostasy. Since Messianic Judaism is based in Protestantism many Messianic Jews aren't Jews at all (not being born to a Jewish mother) and hence they take on the identity of 'Jews' perfidiously.