Teens Sue Baseball Team Over 'God Bless America' Ejection

[Lonestar_logic]

by your account i failed 2 million times right?

I don't keep track of your failures, but I have noticed that you fail more often than not.

you don't have to keep track to call it 2 million times. you just have to apply a little lonestar logic.

Logic is something alien to you, and it shows.

 

[del]

In this case I think it would infringe on their first amendment rights if the guy doesn't own the stadium. I can see if they were being disorderly, but this is pretty much of a stretch.

the first amendment doesn't enter into a private commercial transaction, IMO.

I agree with you there. But it would enter into what goes on in a public facility.

the only application i see is if the owner refused to sell them the tickets for some reason. otherwise, i think it's within the rights of the issuing authority to revoke the license for pretty much any reason they want. the language on the back of every ticket i've seen is very broad.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I grew up in the Bronx. I watched the Towers go up, I watched them fall down.

If you can't stand for the 90 fucking seconds it takes to remember those who died in 9/11 and for the soldiers fighting overseas and to sing "God Bless America", which is how we usually take the 7th inning stretch in NYC, then, well yeah, my sister should kick your ass

 

[Modbert]

Could have been? Elder implied that nazis were at the game, I asked for a link and both of you have failed. But don't worry, I really enjoy watching you guys fall flat on your faces.

What laws have I talked about? As far as I know, no law was broken in this case, it was three guys exercising their right to be stupid and the owner exercising his right to oust the assholes.

Well yes, there could of been a Nazi in the audience. Isn't that much obvious?

Right to freedom of speech and expression, remember those? Are people like you only obsessed with the 2nd Amendment that you don't give a fuck what happens to the rest?

Wait for that slippery slope you go down. Today it's requiring Patriotism, what's tomorrow? Killing the "UnAmericans?"

The problem with things like this, is people like YOU like to try and define Patriotism to whatever you want. That way, you can control the word games like this. Then later on, you can define exactly what a 'UnAmerican" however I'm willing to bet lots of money that it's nothing you ever done.

If the owners like this clown had so much PATRIOTISM, then they should allow all veterans, etc in for free. How much are you wanting to bet that doesn't happen?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Were these "nazis" at the game?

Could of been. The minute you make Patriotism mandatory, it is no longer Patriotism and it is a violation of Constitutional Rights.

Whether you like it or not, this was their right to do so. Besides, do you want the precedent this will set? For all of you talking about laws, and such, this could result in a very ugly domino effect in the future.

Could have been? Elder implied that nazis were at the game, I asked for a link and both of you have failed. But don't worry, I really enjoy watching you guys fall flat on your faces.

What laws have I talked about? As far as I know, no law was broken in this case, it was three guys exercising their right to be stupid and the owner exercising his right to oust the assholes.

i did not imply that nazis where at the game, muppet. you choose to interpret my post that way because of your lonestar logic.

 

[Modbert]

I grew up in the Bronx. I watched the Towers go up, I watched them fall down.

If you can't stand for the 90 fucking seconds it takes to remember those who died in 9/11 and for the soldiers fighting overseas and to sing "God Bless America", which is how we usually take the 7th inning stretch in NYC, then, well yeah, my sister should kick your ass

You saying YOU watched them fall down means NOTHING here, it doesn't excuse you to act like a fucking Nazi.

Let me ask you this bucko, if a veteran of ANY war decided to be the one to sit down.Would you throw them out? Aren't they "disrespecting those who died on 9/11" and other soldiers serving overseas?

What now? Are you going to make exceptions?

 

[strollingbones]

i have to go with del....i dont know of any ticket to a public event that cant be revoke by management. most venue have rules, simple as that. up to management to decide if you are violating them..there is a big difference in "get out of my country" and "get out of my stadium"

 

[Modbert]

i have to go with del....i dont know of any ticket to a public event that cant be revoke by management. most venue have rules, simple as that. up to management to decide if you are violating them..there is a big difference in "get out of my country" and "get out of my stadium"

The problem is:

A.) There is no specified rule that says you are suppose to stand.

B.) It is violating one's rights.

Nobody seems to be focusing on:

A.) The Slippery Slope

B.) How these owners really could be "Patriots".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I grew up in the Bronx. I watched the Towers go up, I watched them fall down.

If you can't stand for the 90 fucking seconds it takes to remember those who died in 9/11 and for the soldiers fighting overseas and to sing "God Bless America", which is how we usually take the 7th inning stretch in NYC, then, well yeah, my sister should kick your ass

You saying YOU watched them fall down means NOTHING here, it doesn't excuse you to act like a fucking Nazi.

Let me ask you this bucko, if a veteran of ANY war decided to be the one to sit down.Would you throw them out? Aren't they "disrespecting those who died on 9/11" and other soldiers serving overseas?

What now? Are you going to make exceptions?

You should probably stay wherever "here" is and not be so disrespectful in my face, because it will get ugly and you will wish you were escorted out by ownership.

 

[Oddball]

I grew up in the Bronx. I watched the Towers go up, I watched them fall down.

If you can't stand for the 90 fucking seconds it takes to remember those who died in 9/11 and for the soldiers fighting overseas and to sing "God Bless America", which is how we usually take the 7th inning stretch in NYC, then, well yeah, my sister should kick your ass

Oh, off it, man.

What's next....Do we all rise after the second inning to remember Pearl Harbor, then the Maine after the third inning, then the Lusitania after the fourth??

Would it be appropriate to have a remembrance for Fort Sumter at Braves games??

Where does this all end?

 

[Ravi]

i have to go with del....i dont know of any ticket to a public event that cant be revoke by management. most venue have rules, simple as that. up to management to decide if you are violating them..there is a big difference in "get out of my country" and "get out of my stadium"

I did read that the team has a policy of not allowing people to sit during the song. I think it's retarded and would just avoid going somewhere where someone dictates my actions to that degree.

I still say it violates their rights, and they should get a refund if nothing else.

 

[del]

I grew up in the Bronx. I watched the Towers go up, I watched them fall down.

If you can't stand for the 90 fucking seconds it takes to remember those who died in 9/11 and for the soldiers fighting overseas and to sing "God Bless America", which is how we usually take the 7th inning stretch in NYC, then, well yeah, my sister should kick your ass

You saying YOU watched them fall down means NOTHING here, it doesn't excuse you to act like a fucking Nazi.

Let me ask you this bucko, if a veteran of ANY war decided to be the one to sit down.Would you throw them out? Aren't they "disrespecting those who died on 9/11" and other soldiers serving overseas?

What now? Are you going to make exceptions?

You should probably stay wherever "here" is and not be so disrespectful in my face, because it will get ugly and you will wish you were escorted out by ownership.

threats are a bannable offense. nuff said.

 

[Modbert]

You should probably stay wherever "here" is and not be so disrespectful in my face, because it will get ugly and you will wish you were escorted out by ownership.

I noticed you dodged my question. Do you make exceptions for veterans? How about a WW2 and Korea veteran? How about a Vietnam veteran (or do you not consider that a real war?)? How about a Gulf War Veteran? How about anyone who's served in the military? How about the widow or family of someone who died on 9/11? How about the widow or family of someone who over died overseas or is currently serving overseas?

You see what kind of slippery slope you create by doing this? Besides, you seem to be forgetting one key fact, 9/11 isn't something we go "rah rah rah" for Patriotism for. That is the day that this country failed those citizens in New York, etc and it is nothing to be proud of because we "moved on."

NYC sure does show their patriotism along with the Federal Government when they won't cover the medical costs of those who were the first responders on 9/11. You know, the ones who were patriots themselves and now 85% of them have Lung Cancer. Plus hundreds have already died.

So don't piss on me and call it rain when you ramble on about Patriotism. Terms like Patriotism lose all meaning when you FORCE people to show it.

Patriotism is love of and/or devotion to one's country. If one is FORCED to show such "love and devotion" than it is no longer love or devotion. Then it is merely being subjected to the will of someone more "powerful." If anything, it sounds like a abusive relationship.

And you want to go ahead and threaten me? I'm not afraid of fakes like you. You act like you're entitled to do whatever the fuck you want or say whatever the fuck you want because you saw the towers fall. So did MILLIONS of other New Yorkers and MILLIONS of other Americans but it doesn't give them a free "act like a complete nazi" card. So my response to your threat is to get the fuck off your high horse and come back to reality.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Could have been? Elder implied that nazis were at the game, I asked for a link and both of you have failed. But don't worry, I really enjoy watching you guys fall flat on your faces.

What laws have I talked about? As far as I know, no law was broken in this case, it was three guys exercising their right to be stupid and the owner exercising his right to oust the assholes.

Well yes, there could of been a Nazi in the audience. Isn't that much obvious?

Right to freedom of speech and expression, remember those? Are people like you only obsessed with the 2nd Amendment that you don't give a fuck what happens to the rest?

Wait for that slippery slope you go down. Today it's requiring Patriotism, what's tomorrow? Killing the "UnAmericans?"

The problem with things like this, is people like YOU like to try and define Patriotism to whatever you want. That way, you can control the word games like this. Then later on, you can define exactly what a 'UnAmerican" however I'm willing to bet lots of money that it's nothing you ever done.

If the owners like this clown had so much PATRIOTISM, then they should allow all veterans, etc in for free. How much are you wanting to bet that doesn't happen?

No it's not obvious to independent thinkers like myself, only to narrow minded individuals like you, Elder and other libnuts. Yes I remember those rights and those three teens exercised theirs, as did the owner. My definition of patriotism is love and devotion for one's country.

 

[L.K.Eder]

my nazi comparison was an intentional invocation of godwin's law and a mockery of all those ubiquitous nazi comparisons on the net and in real life.

maybe i failed after all.

 

[Modbert]

Oh, off it, man.

What's next....Do we all rise after the second inning to remember Pearl Harbor, then the Maine after the third inning, then the Lusitania after the fourth??

Would it be appropriate to have a remembrance for Fort Sumter at Braves games??

Where does this all end?

Hell freezes over, me and Dude agree.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Could of been. The minute you make Patriotism mandatory, it is no longer Patriotism and it is a violation of Constitutional Rights.

Whether you like it or not, this was their right to do so. Besides, do you want the precedent this will set? For all of you talking about laws, and such, this could result in a very ugly domino effect in the future.

Could have been? Elder implied that nazis were at the game, I asked for a link and both of you have failed. But don't worry, I really enjoy watching you guys fall flat on your faces.

What laws have I talked about? As far as I know, no law was broken in this case, it was three guys exercising their right to be stupid and the owner exercising his right to oust the assholes.

i did not imply that nazis where at the game, muppet. you choose to interpret my post that way because of your lonestar logic.

Now this is where your stupidity really starts to shine. You did imply nazis were at the game, your question, "you know who else did stand up when everyone else stood up?" was in response to my comments on the three idiots at the game who failed to stand. So you see, we were discussing the guys at the game, not people in general. Once again you fail!

 

[L.K.Eder]

Could have been? Elder implied that nazis were at the game, I asked for a link and both of you have failed. But don't worry, I really enjoy watching you guys fall flat on your faces.

What laws have I talked about? As far as I know, no law was broken in this case, it was three guys exercising their right to be stupid and the owner exercising his right to oust the assholes.

i did not imply that nazis where at the game, muppet. you choose to interpret my post that way because of your lonestar logic.

Now this is where your stupidity really starts to shine. You did imply nazis were at the game, your question, "you know who else did stand up when everyone else stood up?" was in response to my comments on the three idiots at the game who failed to stand. So you see, we were discussing the guys at the game, not people in general. Once again you fail!

yeah i misoverestimated the audience's capability of executing a near transfer.

 

[Ravi]

In my family, seventh inning stretch is code for last call. Maybe the real problem is that these boys aren't allowed to purchase beer...otherwise they'd be standing like everyone else...in line at the beer stand.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Freedom of speech and expression is a right, a right that may not be taken away by the government (federal. state or local). It does not require a private party to allow such freedom in a private venue.

The facts as stated:
The owner in this case sold tickets to persons to attend a ball game;
the owner objected to the behavior of these people and ejected them from the venue.

The owner had a duty to his customers to provide a ball game. The owner breached that duty and is liable to refund the price of the ticket. Unless, the customer had been advised that specific behavior was prohibited (such as running onto the field, or throwing objects in the stands).