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The problem is:
A.) There is no specified rule that says you are suppose to stand.
Apparently there was, but even if not I'm not sure it would be material in this case.
B.) It is violating one's rights.
Maybe in some philosophical sense, but it's not a violation of one's constitutionally protected rights.
Nobody seems to be focusing on:
A.) The Slippery Slope
I always like to be wary of slippery slopes, but I don't see one in this case. Please explain.
B.) How these owners really could be "Patriots".
I'll pass on this one since I have no idea what you're saying.
Gee... Let's see... I invite you into my house... and during blessing fo the meal, you disrepsect me by your refusal to stop talking as we ask the good lord for his grace...
I take that as your disrespect for my beliefs and summarily toss you out of my home.
Now what right do you have to accept my invitation to enter my private property and disrespect my customs and remain on my property?
Surely you have a right to speak; you have a right to disagree with my customs... but you don't have a right to be on my property after you've demonstrated disrespect for me and my customs, while enjoying my hospitality. And that doesn't change because you laid down earnest money to offset my expenses which I endured in hosting whatever activity is at hand.
Now be specific... cite whatever judicial ruling you like... but CITE THE REASONING; or the argument which was advanced at the foundation of that ruling; and this to avoid the certain failure common to Ad Verecundiam trainwrecks.
You do not have to stand for the anything... but you aren't entitled to disrespect the customs of those upon whose property you're standing; and remain there against his will.
I didn't pay you to come into your home. Besides, nobody told them to stand up, they would of if asked I'm sure.
Freedom of speech and expression is a right, a right that may not be taken away by the government (federal. state or local). It does not require a private party to allow such freedom in a private venue.
The facts as stated:
The owner in this case sold tickets to persons to attend a ball game;
the owner objected to the behavior of these people and ejected them from the venue.
The owner had a duty to his customers to provide a ball game. The owner breached that duty and is liable to refund the price of the ticket. Unless, the customer had been advised that specific behavior was prohibited (such as running onto the field, or throwing objects in the stands).
I'm not saying these teens are Libruls, the only thing that makes me think they are is their dispicible stance toward American traditions and had they been sitting near my family at a ballgame, my sister would have kicked all three of their unAmerica stink of Arab asses
NJ teens sue over 'God Bless America' ejection
AP
By BETH DeFALCO, Associated Press Writer Beth Defalco, Associated Press Writer Mon Sep 14, 6:32 pm ET
"TRENTON, N.J. Three teenagers who say they were tossed from a New Jersey ballpark over their refusal to stand during the song "God Bless America" are suing the minor league Newark Bears.
The boys argue that their constitutional rights were violated when they were asked to leave Newark's Bears and Eagles Riverfront Stadium on June 29 by Bears' president and co-owner Thomas Cetnar....
"We offered to sit with him and find out what his beef was and he asked for money," Wankmiller said. "That was about it." "
NJ teens sue over 'God Bless America' ejection - Yahoo! News
"No one asked them to stand", now these guys being 17 and 16 years old, didn't know to stand during the National Anthem?
A shame you're not so clear headed when you're arguing in favor of forcing your idea of "compassion" or "fairness" down everyone's throats.Oh, off it, man.
What's next....Do we all rise after the second inning to remember Pearl Harbor, then the Maine after the third inning, then the Lusitania after the fourth??
Would it be appropriate to have a remembrance for Fort Sumter at Braves games??
Where does this all end?
Hell freezes over, me and Dude agree.
Freedom of speech and expression is a right, a right that may not be taken away by the government (federal. state or local). It does not require a private party to allow such freedom in a private venue.
The facts as stated:
The owner in this case sold tickets to persons to attend a ball game;
the owner objected to the behavior of these people and ejected them from the venue.
The owner had a duty to his customers to provide a ball game. The owner breached that duty and is liable to refund the price of the ticket. Unless, the customer had been advised that specific behavior was prohibited (such as running onto the field, or throwing objects in the stands).
I think they were advised... as they were being kicked to the curb.
As is nearly always the case, you people tend to confuse fairness with equity. You may 'feel' that it's 'not fair' that the owner doesn't tolerate disrespect of his country by patrons to his facility... but the owner's intolerance for such is equitably enforced.
Now if the owner tolerated such from redheaded people... or sweet young hotties... but not brown-haired people of sub-standard looks... then you'd have a reasonable argument.
His stadium and he gets to decide what is and is not acceptable behavior at his facilitiy... as long as everyone is held to the same standard. And there's nothing on the table which indicates that such is the case.
Did I mention that I hate that dopey god bless america song?
Its still horrible.
could be worse, could be sweet fucking caroline <gag>
You should be whipped with a wet noddle for that.Its still horrible.
could be worse, could be sweet fucking caroline <gag>
Its still horrible.
could be worse, could be sweet fucking caroline <gag>
Don't be hatin' on Neil Diamond...
It does show patriotism, does it not ? And please, keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself.
It does show patriotism, does it not ? And please, keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself.
A gawd help us all, we always need to show our 'patriotism' don't we?
nice thing about private property....you can toss someone off in a heartbeat...that is the difference in private and public...
