Tea Partiers want to repeal the 17th amendment

[jillian]

no you don't want to restore anything. you want to fix elections and go back to the days when the landed gentry ran the country.

and that might be the most self-defeating most ignorant thing i've ever seen anyone want in politics...

unless, of course, you're worth a billion dollars or two.

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.


It's brainwashing of the highest order. Maybe Glenn Beck has magic hypnotising eyes. I can't watch him long enough to get sucked in I guess. He starts crying or acting psychotic and I have to turn the channel.

it's cute how they let a rodeo clown 'entertainer' manipulate them. or it would be if the loons weren't all out there.

 

[WillowTree]

Yeah. What sane person, who understands checks and balances, doesn't want to return Senate control back to the States and restore their power over the Federal Government?

what constitutes the 'state'? the people of a state? or the state legislature?

you people really are out of control.

you people..

 

[Avatar4321]

I find this so amazing that you people have such a difficulty understanding this:

We aren't supposed to have the power to elect Senators. It was designed for the States do this. And it was designed for a very good reason. We are supposed to have influence through the House.

 

[WillowTree]

no you don't want to restore anything. you want to fix elections and go back to the days when the landed gentry ran the country.

and that might be the most self-defeating most ignorant thing i've ever seen anyone want in politics...

unless, of course, you're worth a billion dollars or two.

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.


It's brainwashing of the highest order. Maybe Glenn Beck has magic hypnotising eyes. I can't watch him long enough to get sucked in I guess. He starts crying or acting psychotic and I have to turn the channel.

it's cute how they let a rodeo clown 'entertainer' manipulate them. or it would be if the loons weren't all out there.

take the blue pill.. you need it.

 

[Oddball]

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.

That's the strangest thing about Fabian socialist elitist snots....They're really, really so haughty to think that they can tell everyone else what's in their best interests.

 

[WillowTree]

demonize demonize demonize,, demonize demonize demonize,, how did you DUmmies get so mean anyway??

you don't read your own posts, do you?

why should I read em? I write em.. do you write yours and then have to read them to know what you said?? figures!

 

[Avatar4321]

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.

That's the strangest thing about Fabian socialist elitist snots....They're really, really so haughty to think that they can tell everyone else what's in their best interests.

My best interests would be to restore the checks and balances of this nations so we have less of a chance of losing our freedom to an all powerful Federal Government.

 

[Queen]

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.

That's the strangest thing about Fabian socialist elitist snots....They're really, really so haughty to think that they can tell everyone else what's in their best interests.

So it's haughty to think that protecting your right to vote is in your best interest?

If so, OK, call me haughty.

 

[Father Time]

Yeah. What sane person, who understands checks and balances, doesn't want to return Senate control back to the States and restore their power over the Federal Government?

I like Senate control with the actual people instead of the state legislatures. You think pork is bad now watch what happens when Senators need to appease the state legislatures to keep their job.

Watch what happens when the public can't hold them accountable for not looking out for their best interests.

 

[American Horse]

The state is it's people. The legislature is the representation of the people as elected by the people.

But......think about this.........with SCOTUS saying that corporations have the same rights as people and that they can contribute as much as they want, with the repeal of the 17th, corporations would have a very easy way to control the government.

Please describe such a scenario

 

[Avatar4321]

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.

That's the strangest thing about Fabian socialist elitist snots....They're really, really so haughty to think that they can tell everyone else what's in their best interests.

So it's haughty to think that protecting your right to vote is in your best interest?

If so, OK, call me haughty.

Your still going to be able to vote. You will still influence the Federal government through the House like you are supposed to.

 

[LuckyDan]

Are judges politicians?

This is a strawman. Stick to the topic.

But that's my point.

If we elected SC Justices they would be political beings (not that many aren't now). If appointment would make Senators less interested in being re-elected till they die, they might be the more deliberative, less political body they were originally meant to be.

I kinda like the idea, now that I think of it.

They would do the bidding (even worse than elected Senators do now) of the lobby that bought them their seat.

At least now, if a Senator does stuff we don't like we can vote them out. If the highest bidder appoints his man, we have no say.

We have nothing.

Now, we have our vote. We can call them up as I've called DiFi many times and tell them, I will not vote for you if you ____________ in fact I will campaign against you.

Now, we have a voice.

Teabag kooks want to take that away from us.

They would be appointed by the state legislature, not normally considered to be a "lobby."

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

In theory, the legislators would be you and I, or our neighbors, who ran for and were elected to serve in that capacity - citizen legislators.

Why so cynical?

 

[Queen]

I find this so amazing that you people have such a difficulty understanding this:

We aren't supposed to have the power to elect Senators. It was designed for the States do this. And it was designed for a very good reason. We are supposed to have influence through the House.

The Seventeenth Amendment was one of the critical reforms of the Progressive Era, along with enfranchising women; empowering voters with the direct primary election, initiative, referendum and recall, and establishing antitrust laws.

EDITORIAL: Repeal 17th Amendment? You've gotta be kidding

 

[Avatar4321]

Yeah. What sane person, who understands checks and balances, doesn't want to return Senate control back to the States and restore their power over the Federal Government?

I like Senate control with the actual people instead of the state legislatures. You think pork is bad now watch what happens when Senators need to appease the state legislatures to keep their job.

Watch what happens when the public can't hold them accountable for not looking out for their best interests.

They are supposed to appease the State legislatures to keep their jobs. The Senate is designed to be the check that the states have over the Federal Government.

 

[Father Time]

Yeah. What sane person, who understands checks and balances, doesn't want to return Senate control back to the States and restore their power over the Federal Government?

Tell me how taking the power away from the people and giving it to the back room dealings is a good thing.

It provides a check on the Federal Governments by the states. and a Check on the majority from creating a tyranical federal government.

We all ready have a court system for that, to throw out laws that restrict the individual's rights.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah. What sane person, who understands checks and balances, doesn't want to return Senate control back to the States and restore their power over the Federal Government?

I like Senate control with the actual people instead of the state legislatures. You think pork is bad now watch what happens when Senators need to appease the state legislatures to keep their job.

Watch what happens when the public can't hold them accountable for not looking out for their best interests.

Wrong-o!

With Senators appointed by the state legislatures, the states will once again have a say-so in the size of federal budgets....States can't just print up money like the feds can.

 

[Avatar4321]

I find this so amazing that you people have such a difficulty understanding this:

We aren't supposed to have the power to elect Senators. It was designed for the States do this. And it was designed for a very good reason. We are supposed to have influence through the House.

The Seventeenth Amendment was one of the critical reforms of the Progressive Era, along with enfranchising women; empowering voters with the direct primary election, initiative, referendum and recall, and establishing antitrust laws.

EDITORIAL: Repeal 17th Amendment? You've gotta be kidding

Yeah, it was a progressive program. Which has completely screwed up this nation.

In fact, the only progressive amendment I don't have a problem with is the one allowing women to vote, since it was long overdue.

 

[jillian]

ohhhhhh... you think it's a states' rights thing and you get around the supremacy of the feds this way?

raflmao...

 

[Oddball]

That's the strangest thing about teabaggers and Republicans. They constantly vote against their own interests.

That's the strangest thing about Fabian socialist elitist snots....They're really, really so haughty to think that they can tell everyone else what's in their best interests.

So it's haughty to think that protecting your right to vote is in your best interest?

If so, OK, call me haughty.

You're haughty....And arrogant...And ignorant...All rolled into one.

Happy now?

 

[Avatar4321]

Tell me how taking the power away from the people and giving it to the back room dealings is a good thing.

It provides a check on the Federal Governments by the states. and a Check on the majority from creating a tyranical federal government.

We all ready have a court system for that, to throw out laws that restrict the individual's rights.

That's not what the Court was designed for. It's what the Senate was designed for. And allow the States to prevent the Federal government from overpowering them.