TB has broken out at Occupy Atlanta

Either way, you're dead wrong, because I don't take Advair. (I can't, the side effects are too much)

Either way, advair is just a combination of a long acting B2 agonist (albuterol is a short acting B2) and a steroid. So whatever you are taking, it's working in the same manner as advair.

I DO take a steroid inhaler.

And they DO have side effects whether the pharmaceutical companies want to admit it or not.

Any doctor worth his salt will tell you, they DO have side effects like comprising your immune system.

Of course they compromise your immune system. That is the point. It's not a "side effect", it's the desired effect. Steroids are anti-inflammatory and work to combat the inflammatory nature of your reactive lung disease. The B2 agonist cause bronchodilation and help keep your bronchioles open.

I mean it's common sense. Asthma is inflammation. Your immune system causing inflammation in your lungs.

Reduce inflammation, you are reducing your immune response.

Don't tell this old war horse different. I've been through too many medications and doctors.

I won't. You are correct, with the exception of claiming that depressing your immune system is a side effect in this instance.

I've had asthma since 1964, I KNOW what I'm talking about.

And since my lungs are compromised in the first place (just from asthma) you are telling me I wouldn't be at risk for TB (steroids or no?)

I don't buy that one.

The "evidenced based medicine" states that asthma doesn't make you higher risk for TB. If you can find a better or more focused study, then I'd be happy to read it.

Investigation of the risk factors for tuberculosis: a case

It certainly makes you higher risk for pneumonia.

Don't need a doctor to tell me that one, as many times as I have contracted pneumonia and bronchitis!

I just don't buy that wouldn't make me at a higher risk for TB.

You can say otherwise, but I don't buy it.
 
Bwahahahaaa!

That's about as dumb as when our (former) Gov Rhodes said he thought litter was worse than rape, because litter pollutes everyone and rape only bothers "that lady." (yes, he really said that)

Only yours is backwards. It's OKAY to wish a PARTICULAR PERSON (aka a coservative) should die.

I mean, what could be wrong with wishing a conservative would die, right?

But it's NOT okay to call liberals dumb, because we haven't met each and every liberal?

We can't conclude anything from observing their actions, right?

Or even some REALLY STUPID RATIONALIZATIONS in posts like yours? :eusa_whistle:

BTW, did you libs MEET EACH AND EVERY TEA PARTY PERSON BEFORE YOU CONCLUDED THEY WERE VIOLENT, RACIST TEA BAGGERS?????????

Laughably pathetic hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I didn't say it wasN'T wrong to wish a person dead. tRY AGAIN FOR COMPREHENSION, THIS TIME. It's definitely wrong.

Oh bullshit you didn't.

You said it was FAR WORSE to call liberals stupid!

I ask again, did you libs meet each and every TEA Party advocate before you concluded we were racist, violent tea baggers?

Hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Umm, no I didn't.

I didn't make a judgement over which was worse, morally, at all.

I just said which was dumber. Not which was more evil. Again, try for comprehension this time, ya fuggin rick.
 
I didn't say it wasN'T wrong to wish a person dead. tRY AGAIN FOR COMPREHENSION, THIS TIME. It's definitely wrong.

Oh bullshit you didn't.

You said it was FAR WORSE to call liberals stupid!

I ask again, did you libs meet each and every TEA Party advocate before you concluded we were racist, violent tea baggers?

Hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Umm, no I didn't.

I didn't make a judgement over which was worse, morally, at all.

I just said which was dumber. Not which was more evil. Again, try for comprehension this time, ya fuggin rick.

And YOU don't think it's dumber to justify evil over "dumbness."

Got ya!

I think we have the new guy to coach at Penn State!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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What stupid statements?

All I said is, I didn't know we still had TB in this country.

And that curious statement demonstrates a complete ignorance of the subject matter.

You don't spend much time in hospitals or reading medical literature do you?

If you are even in an ER and notice fluorescent lights everywhere, ask the Doctor about them.

SO WHAT!

It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TB BEING AT THE OWS!

It actually does. You are acting like TB has sprung forth de novo out of the OWS movement and, as I attempt to decipher your bullshit, that unto itself is a reason to clamp down on them.

Those of us that know, realize that TB has always been in this country and that health care staff have been working around it and treating it for as long as you have been around.

The BCG vaccine didn't eradicate it. As much as you thought otherwise.

It's simply your attempt to deflect.

I've never made an issue OUT of being an expert on TB, UNLIKE YOU WHO TRIED TO MAKE IT OUT LIKE YOU WERE AN EXPERT ON ASTHMA MEDICATIONS.

You obviously aren't an expert on TB. I never claimed to be an expert on Asthma medications. However, again, if you want to take one simple error about asthma meds to be some sort of indicator of my knowledge base versus yours, I'd be happy to discuss medications in depth with you.

I already provided you with some help about the nature of your steroid treatment.

So, nice try, no cigar.

This is about the lack of sanitation at the OWS and how it's now causing disease.

I notice NONE OF YOU LIBS want to talk about that.

What is there to talk about? You didn't even realize that TB is a problem in this country until today.

It's endemic in the prison population. As I noted, we had soldiers who were exposed in Afghanistan.

Like any other disease, it's something to be recognized and treated intelligently (and not addressed through fear mongering).

I seriously doubt you are concerned with the public health aspects of this matter. However, if I am wrong, then I am happy to hear your solution. While you are at it, you should also address all the other instances where TB is a problem.

As it stands, a single case in Atlanta is hardly an epidemic.
 
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Don't need a doctor to tell me that one, as many times as I have contracted pneumonia and bronchitis!

I just don't buy that wouldn't make me at a higher risk for TB.

You can say otherwise, but I don't buy it.

It's not "me". It's the medical evidence.

Go ahead and dispute it. That's your prerogative. It's not going to change the facts of the matter.

As I said, there very well may be a contradictory study. I'd be happy to look at it. I didn't know the answer to your question, so I searched out an answer. You can do the same. Though, that would require some actual academic work on your part, which is just so taxing.

BTW, you can now rest easy knowing that immunosuppression is not an adverse effect of your steroids.
 
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Oh bullshit you didn't.

You said it was FAR WORSE to call liberals stupid!

I ask again, did you libs meet each and every TEA Party advocate before you concluded we were racist, violent tea baggers?

Hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Umm, no I didn't.

I didn't make a judgement over which was worse, morally, at all.

I just said which was dumber. Not which was more evil. Again, try for comprehension this time, ya fuggin rick.

And YOU don't think it's dumber to justify evil over "dumbness."

Got ya!

I think we have the new guy to coach at Penn State!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

No, moron.

Saying which one is dumber isn't justifying one or the other.

They're both fucking whack to do. Wishing death is wrong. Stereotyping, is wrong.

You're just a fuckin dumb bitch who can't stand the sight of herself so she takes her bitterness to da internetz daily. I pity you, son. Ylou're gunna be that ole' crusty bitch in a rocking chair on her front porch going "damn liberrhoidals, i'll tell ya whuuut!" as your grandkids all roll their eyes and run off and play.

You'd rather look to blame people for the ills of the world rather than getting off your fat computer loving ass to do something to make the world better.

You'd rather attack random usernames on messageboards with attack articles fabricated for you, because you're a mental midget, then you would go get off your fat ass and campaign for someone who you think would do the right thing for this place.

You'd rather point and giggle at others on the internets and listen to political hate speech about your opponents, rather than work on your own failings and faults.

You'd rather incite an internet argument and pat yourself on the back for imaginary "gotcha's!" at imaginary, anonymous internet liberals then go outside of your fucking house and have an ACTUAL conversation.

Get a fuckin life, hag. You win nothing. You own yourself, daily. :razz:
 
No,

Saying an entire group of anyone is "dumb" without having personally met and gotten to know them is actually considerably "more dumb" than wishing someone dies, yea, because wishing someone dies is very specific to one person and so you can at least base it on something other than some whoooshing stereotype.

Bwahahahaaa!

That's about as dumb as when our (former) Gov Rhodes said he thought litter was worse than rape, because litter pollutes everyone and rape only bothers "that lady." (yes, he really said that)

Only yours is backwards. It's OKAY to wish a PARTICULAR PERSON (aka a coservative) should die.

I mean, what could be wrong with wishing a conservative would die, right?

But it's NOT okay to call liberals dumb, because we haven't met each and every liberal?

We can't conclude anything from observing their actions, right?

Or even some REALLY STUPID RATIONALIZATIONS in posts like yours? :eusa_whistle:

BTW, did you libs MEET EACH AND EVERY TEA PARTY PERSON BEFORE YOU CONCLUDED THEY WERE VIOLENT, RACIST TEA BAGGERS?????????

Laughably pathetic hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I didn't say it wasN'T wrong to wish a person dead. tRY AGAIN FOR COMPREHENSION, THIS TIME. It's definitely wrong.
:lol: I didn't say I wished she would die. I said I wouldn't be sad if she did.

And lol at you teapee, thinking your kids got a TB shot. You really are quite brain dead.
 
Bwahahahaaa!

That's about as dumb as when our (former) Gov Rhodes said he thought litter was worse than rape, because litter pollutes everyone and rape only bothers "that lady." (yes, he really said that)

Only yours is backwards. It's OKAY to wish a PARTICULAR PERSON (aka a coservative) should die.

I mean, what could be wrong with wishing a conservative would die, right?

But it's NOT okay to call liberals dumb, because we haven't met each and every liberal?

We can't conclude anything from observing their actions, right?

Or even some REALLY STUPID RATIONALIZATIONS in posts like yours? :eusa_whistle:

BTW, did you libs MEET EACH AND EVERY TEA PARTY PERSON BEFORE YOU CONCLUDED THEY WERE VIOLENT, RACIST TEA BAGGERS?????????

Laughably pathetic hypocrites!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I didn't say it wasN'T wrong to wish a person dead. tRY AGAIN FOR COMPREHENSION, THIS TIME. It's definitely wrong.
:lol: I didn't say I wished she would die. I said I wouldn't be sad if she did.

And lol at you teapee, thinking your kids got a TB shot. You really are quite brain dead.

This chick is legitimately psycho, I don't care who says what to her tbh. I'll bet she got a big ole' Michael Strahan gap-tooth
 
Oooo, I'm hitting a nerve with liberals.

I forgot they hold up the OWS like they are all little messiahs for their dream of a socialist utopia! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Jesus fucking christ. Get a life, you idiot!

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Whatever gave you the idea that I am a liberal? BTW did you know it is a TOS violation to post a private message.
 
anyone out there with that disease should be quarantined.


How is Tuberculosis Spread? | eHow.com

And the people who work with them as well? :rolleyes:

It is at least theoretically possible for archeologists to dig up corpses that died of smallpox and have a resurgence of this disease again because the smallpox virus can lay dormant for years. AND we have stopped vaccinating for that. There are two vials of smallpox virus. One is in Russia, the other in Atlanta held by the CDC. We do not eraticate it because man has never deliberately eradicated a species from the earth. AND because it may, one day, become useful to us.

Are the people working with them carrying the disease?


Oh were you going to attempt some point?

"Carrying" the disease. Give us all a break! I worked for years with an indigent inner city population, and then with rural mountain people. I have had patients my entire career who have had active TB. I consider myself blessed byt he gods to have not had a positive PPD. Almost every provider I have worked with who works in this population is PPD positive. That does not mean that they are contageous. Geeze.

I thought people were supposed to have classes like Health in grammar school. Geeze, where did you people get all this silly shit.
 
You are right about that.

Why do people think bed bugs have made a resurgence in this country?

THANK YOU ILLEGALS!!!!!!!

Something that was relagated to nursery rhymes has become a reality in this country again.

There was a resurgence of bedbugs and head lice when it became illegal to use DDT in this country.

Bed Bugs - A Health Problem Returns to The US

Head Lice in History

Well guess who's responsible for that??????

LIBERALS!!!!!!!

Thanks to eco-nuts and the book "Silent Spring" you can't use DDT anymore.

So, it's coming back to haunt liberals, only as usual, everyone suffers as well.

DDT is lethal to humans. That's why it is no longer used.
 
There are only two choices. Authorities move in there and forcibly clean up, arrest, and drag sick people off to the hospital. Or, leave them be to die from the choices they make.

Which would you prefer? Already there has been violence when authorities want to pressure wash the shit off the ground.

Stop the spread of crime and disease by making sure the protesters can't harm anyone else and let them alone.

You have no idea about the natural course and progression of Tuberculosis, do you?

Quarantine has been used to deal with TB for a very long time. We have a group of individuals who believe that having and spreading disease is a civil right. What else can be done except protect the innocent as best you can?

You have already been told by an NP and an (almost) MD that TB just isn't that easty to catch.
 
DDT is also lethal to humans.

BULLSHIT!

They used to spray it on our WWII soldiers to keep them disease free when fighting in places like the Phillipines.

And we also used Agent Orange in Viet Nam. Which means, it can't be lethal. If the government uses it in a combat zone, it obviously can't be lethal.


Of couse not immediately! It will just give you dibetes, Parkinson's disease, mutate your genetic material so your children have spina bifida, to name a few things it DOES do.

I'm a board certified NP. You're in medical school. We are talking to people who didn't even graduate third grade. And they think centrists can't be educated! LOL

Edited to post the complete list:

*Again mods, please don't truncate. This is government material and not copyrighted.

Agent Orange: Diseases Related to Agent Orange Exposure
VA assumes that certain diseases are related to qualifying military service. These are called "presumptive diseases." VA has recognized certain cancers and other health problems as presumptive diseases related to exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides during military service.

■Veterans' Diseases Related to Agent Orange Exposure
■Birth Defects in Children of Vietnam and Korea Veterans
Also, VA presumes amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) diagnosed in all Veterans with 90 days or more continuous active military service is related to their service.

Veterans' Diseases Related to Agent Orange Exposure
Veterans may be eligible for disability compensation and health care benefits for diseases that VA has recognized as related to exposure to Agent Orange or other herbicides.

Surviving spouses, dependent children and dependent parents of Veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange and died as the result of diseases related to Agent Orange exposure may be eligible for survivors' benefits.

■Acute and Subacute Peripheral Neuropathy
A nervous system condition that causes numbness, tingling, and motor weakness. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within 1 year of exposure to herbicides and resolve within 2 years after the date it began.
■AL Amyloidosis
A rare disease caused when an abnormal protein, amyloid, enters tissues or organs.
■Chloracne (or Similar Acneform Disease)
A skin condition that occurs soon after exposure to chemicals and looks like common forms of acne seen in teenagers. Under VA's rating regulations, chloracne (or other acneform disease similar to chloracne) must be at least 10% disabling within 1 year of exposure to herbicides.
■Chronic B-cell Leukemias
A type of cancer which affects white blood cells.
■Diabetes Mellitus (Type 2)
A disease characterized by high blood sugar levels resulting from the body’s inability to respond properly to the hormone insulin.
■Hodgkin’s Disease
A malignant lymphoma (cancer) characterized by progressive enlargement of the lymph nodes, liver, and spleen, and by progressive anemia.
■Ischemic Heart Disease
A disease characterized by a reduced supply of blood to the heart, that leads to chest pain.
■Multiple Myeloma
A cancer of plasma cells, a type of white blood cell in bone marrow.
■Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
A group of cancers that affect the lymph glands and other lymphatic tissue.
■Parkinson’s Disease
A progressive disorder of the nervous system that affects muscle movement.
■Porphyria Cutanea Tarda
A disorder characterized by liver dysfunction and by thinning and blistering of the skin in sun-exposed areas. Under VA's rating regulations, it must be at least 10% disabling within 1 year of exposure to herbicides.
■Prostate Cancer
Cancer of the prostate; one of the most common cancers among men.
■Respiratory Cancers
Cancers of the lung, larynx, trachea, and bronchus.
■Soft Tissue Sarcoma (other than Osteosarcoma, Chondrosarcoma, Kaposi’s sarcoma, or Mesothelioma)
A group of different types of cancers in body tissues such as muscle, fat, blood and lymph vessels, and connective tissues.

http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/diseases.asp
 
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If you are concerned about bed bugs, thank the EPA. The chemicals used to kill them are illegal.

DDT is also lethal to humans.

BULLSHIT!

They used to spray it on our WWII soldiers to keep them disease free when fighting in places like the Phillipines.

Effects on human healthPotential mechanisms of action on humans are genotoxicity and endocrine disruption. DDT may be directly genotoxic,[45] but may also induce enzymes to produce other genotoxic intermediates and DNA adducts.[45] It is an endocrine disruptor; The DDT metabolite DDE acts as an antiandrogen (but not as an estrogen). p,p'-DDT, DDT's main component, has little or no androgenic or estrogenic activity.[45] Minor component o,p'-DDT has weak estrogenic activity.

[edit] Acute toxicityDDT is classified as "moderately toxic" by the United States National Toxicology Program (NTP)[46] and "moderately hazardous" by the World Health Organization (WHO), based on the rat oral LD50 of 113 mg/kg.[47] DDT has on rare occasions been administered orally as a treatment for barbiturate poisoning.[48]

[edit] Chronic toxicity[edit] DiabetesDDT and DDE have been linked to diabetes. A number of studies from the US, Canada, and Sweden have found that the prevalence of the disease in a population increases with serum DDT or DDE levels.[49][50][51][52][53][54]

[edit] Developmental toxicityDDT and DDE, like other organochlorines, have been shown to have xenoestrogenic activity, meaning they are chemically similar enough to estrogens to trigger hormonal responses in animals. This endocrine disrupting activity has been observed in mice and rat toxicological studies, and available epidemiological evidence indicates that these effects may be occurring in humans as a result of DDT exposure. The US Environmental Protection Agency states that DDT exposure damages the reproductive system and reduces reproductive success. These effects may cause developmental and reproductive toxicity:

A review article in The Lancet states, "research has shown that exposure to DDT at amounts that would be needed in malaria control might cause preterm birth and early weaning ... toxicological evidence shows endocrine-disrupting properties; human data also indicate possible disruption in semen quality, menstruation, gestational length, and duration of lactation."[23]
Human epidemiological studies suggest that exposure is a risk factor for premature birth and low birth weight, and may harm a mother's ability to breast feed.[55] Some 21st century researchers argue that these effects may increase infant deaths, offsetting any anti-malarial benefits.[56] A 2008 study, however, failed to confirm the association between exposure and difficulty breastfeeding.[57]
Several recent studies demonstrate a link between in utero exposure to DDT or DDE and developmental neurotoxicity in humans. For example, a 2006 University of California, Berkeley study suggests that children exposed while in the womb have a greater chance of development problems,[58] and other studies have found that even low levels of DDT or DDE in umbilical cord serum at birth are associated with decreased attention at infancy[59] and decreased cognitive skills at 4 years of age.[60] Similarly, Mexican researchers have linked first trimester DDE exposure to retarded psychomotor development.[61]
Other studies document decreases in semen quality among men with high exposures (generally from IRS).[62][63][64]
Studies generally find that high blood DDT or DDE levels do not increase time to pregnancy (TTP.)[65] There is some evidence that the daughters of highly exposed women may have more difficulty getting pregnant (i.e. increased TTP).[66]
DDT is associated with early pregnancy loss, a type of miscarriage. A prospective cohort study of Chinese textile workers found "a positive, monotonic, exposure-response association between preconception serum total DDT and the risk of subsequent early pregnancy losses."[67] The median serum DDE level of study group was lower than that typically observed in women living in homes sprayed with DDT.[68]
A Japanese study of congenital hypothyroidism concluded that in utero DDT exposure may affect thyroid hormone levels and "play an important role in the incidence and/or causation of cretinism."[69] Other studies have also found the DDT or DDE interfere with proper thyroid function.[70][71]
[edit] OtherOccupational exposure in agriculture and malaria control has been linked to neurological problems (i.e. Parkinsons)[72] and asthma.[73]

[edit] CarcinogenicityDDT is suspected to cause cancer. The NTP classifies it as "reasonably anticipated to be a carcinogen," the International Agency for Research on Cancer classifies it as a "possible" human carcinogen, and the EPA classifies DDT, DDE, and DDD as class B2 "probable" carcinogens. These evaluations are based mainly on the results of animal studies.[1][23]

There is evidence from epidemiological studies (i.e. studies in human populations) that indicates that DDT causes cancers of the liver,[23][35] pancreas[23][35] and breast.[35] There is mixed evidence that it contributes to leukemia,[35] lymphoma[35][74] and testicular cancer.[23][35][75] Other epidemiological studies suggest that DDT/DDE does not cause multiple myeloma,[23] or cancers of the prostate,[23] endometrium,[23][35] rectum,[23][35] lung,[35] bladder,[35] or stomach.[35]

[edit] Breast cancerThe question of whether DDT or DDE are risk factors of breast cancer has been repeatedly studied. While individual studies conflict, the most recent reviews of all the evidence conclude that pre-puberty exposure increases the risk of subsequent breast cancer.[35][76] Until recently, almost all studies measured DDT or DDE blood levels at the time of breast cancer diagnosis or after. This study design has been criticized, since the levels at diagnosis do not necessarily correspond to levels when the cancer started.[77] Taken as a whole such studies "do not support the hypothesis that exposure to DDT is an important risk factor for breast cancer."[45] The studies of this design have been extensively reviewed.[23][78][79]

In contrast, a study published in 2007 strongly associated early exposure (the p,p'- isomer) and breast cancer later in life. Unlike previous studies, this prospective cohort study collected blood samples from young mothers in the 1960s while DDT was still in use, and their breast cancer status was then monitored over the years. In addition to suggesting that the p,p'- isomer is the more significant risk factor, the study also suggests that the timing of exposure is critical. For the subset of women born more than 14 years before agricultural use, there was no association between DDT and breast cancer. However, for younger women—exposed earlier in life—the third who were exposed most to p,p'-DDT had a fivefold increase in breast cancer incidence over the least exposed third, after correcting for the protective effect of o,p'-DDT.[45][80][81] These results are supported by animal studies.[35]

DDT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
heartless pack of Americans the tea party has clustered

How many years did you spend in college studying a medical specialty in order to help the huddled masses. My guess is you didn't make it out of second grade. You are so full of shit that you make the toilets jealous! The people on this thread who have the expertise in the topic at hand are people who have dedicted their lives to working with others with the possibility of becomeing infected themselves. It is your kind that is an ignorant bunch of raving lunatics.
 

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