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If taxes are "always collected by force," because "that is the only way the government can collect them," then you should have no problem in producing a mountain of cases where federal agents armed with guns have attacked a non-compliant taxpayer in an attempt to collect. Strangely, I have yet to see a SINGLE case where this has happened, and you and the rest of your paranoid Internet libertarians have failed to post any evidence of even one such instance occurring, despite my repeated requests for it.
That was funny.
Perhaps you should inform the NYT that this never happened.
3 Businessmen Testify of Armed Raids by I.R.S. - NYTimes.com
Really? 3 alleged incidents from the 90's are all you can come up with? You'll have to do better than that, conspiratard.
If you'd actually bothered to read your article, you'd know that only two of those three raids were said to have involved "armed agents"; in the detailed summaries of the case presented further down in the article, and not just the first few lines of yellow journalism that conspiratards like to read, it never states that the armed agents were with the IRS. It says that IRS agents were there, but they are not stated to have been armed themselves.
The IRS agents were, however, accompanied by drug-sniffing dogs--who were more than likely being handled not by some pencil-pushers from the IRS, but by police officers or federal drug agents. The armed law enforcement officers were there because they were investigating--and I quote from your article--claims of "money laundering, gunrunning and drug dealing", claims at least partially substantiated by the raids turning up "a fairly sizable quantity of marijuana".
"Those accused drug dealers were abused by the government, just ask the one who was caught with drugs in his home, he'll tell you!" It's ridiculous that you think this is what constitutes a logical, level-headed argument. The claims put forth by those suspected criminals were so absurd, U.S. Senators were publicly mocking them.
"Sometimes forced" by the courts? No, the IRS drops cases often and completely voluntarily. It openly acknowledges a massive tax gap--the difference between reported income and actual income, representing the amount of taxes left unlevied and uncollected--in the billions of dollars and routinely writes off uncollected amounts.
Again, when I ask you for more details, you only respond with more evasiveness. Explain your comments more fully. Why do you "object to the system we have now"? What would you prefer to replace it with?
I did explain my comments, you just failed to grasp the explanation.
You did not explain your comments, not in the least. The shitposting you refer to as your "explanation" was limited to "hurrr u hav no proofs i's a anarchist durr lol umad", which explains nothing about your views at all. You, for whatever reason, have yet to deny being an anarchist, and are limiting your statements to legalistic "no proof, lololol" evasions of the topic at hand. So, for the third time: Why do you "object to the system we have now"? What would you prefer to replace it with?
Who ever said that IRS agents with guns would show up to arrest you? The fact is men with guns who work for the government show up to arrest you and take your stuff if you don't pay your taxes. Now you're trying to move the goal posts by insisting they have to be IRS agents. It doesn't matter which agency they work for. The bottom line is they work for the government. Their job is to use guns against people who refuse to pay taxes. I provided you about half a dozen examples already. You want to ignore those because you can't dispute them.
Case closed.
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