Taxation is Theft

[Skull Pilot]

Taxation isn't theft. Excessive taxation...like we are seeing now, and uncontrolled spending are bringing the country to its knees.

Define excessive taxation, and who is currently being targeted by it. Do you think that corporations and millionaires, for example, are paying too much in taxes? Do you think that we're getting taxed in too many different areas--or are you fine with a multitude of taxes, as long as the rates are kept relatively low?

When the government takes 35% of your income that is theft.

 

[ChrisL]

While this was not your assignment, I do appreciate the effort you have put into completing it. However, your "arguments" were entirely non-sequitur as they do not address the prompt, which was: Explain in detail how taxes are currently being used in the United States "for the advancement of the ruling classes and continued subjugation of the productive working class."

Mymbyrs of Cyngryss being paid ridiculous sums of money, while an outrage, does not in and of itself advance the ruling class, nor does it subjugate the working class.

The only thing taxes advance is government growth. Anyone who thinks the government is actually interested in "helping the poor," needs help IMO.

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Taxation isn't theft. Excessive taxation...like we are seeing now, and uncontrolled spending are bringing the country to its knees.

Define excessive taxation, and who is currently being targeted by it. Do you think that corporations and millionaires, for example, are paying too much in taxes? Do you think that we're getting taxed in too many different areas--or are you fine with a multitude of taxes, as long as the rates are kept relatively low?

When the government takes 35% of your income that is theft.

You live in a modern technological infrastructure that requires government $$$.

No, it is not theft, and, yes, you are wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

Don't pay your state/federal taxes? Guys with GUNS will seize your assets to pay for them.

I've just gone through several rounds of asking kaz to prove this same allegation. I guess it's your tyrn now. Show me ONE instance of federal agents wielding firearms while collecting federal or state income taxes, or I will be forced to assume that you're as full of shit as he is.

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OCALA, Fla. — Wesley Snipes was released on $1 million bond after pleading not guilty to federal charges including falsely claiming millions of dollars in tax refunds, two months after he was indicted in central Florida.

The actor, known for films such as the “Blade” trilogy, didn’t speak at a court appearance in Ocala on Friday. He went there after arriving in Orlando on a private jet from the African nation of Namibia, where he was filming “Gallow Walker,” his publicist said.

“I look forward to clearing my name and resolving this issue posthaste,” Snipes, wearing blue tinted glasses and a suit, said after the hearing. He didn’t comment further.

Snipes, 44, was charged in October with fraudulently claiming refunds totaling nearly $12 million in 1996 and 1997 on income taxes already paid. He was also charged with failure to file returns from 1999 through 2004. If convicted, he faces up to 16 years in prison.

You were saying?

 

[bripat9643]

Define excessive taxation, and who is currently being targeted by it. Do you think that corporations and millionaires, for example, are paying too much in taxes? Do you think that we're getting taxed in too many different areas--or are you fine with a multitude of taxes, as long as the rates are kept relatively low?

When the government takes 35% of your income that is theft.

You live in a modern technological infrastructure that requires government $$$.

No, it is not theft, and, yes, you are wrong.

The "infrastructure" of the Nazi death camps also required government tax dollars.

How does the government's desire for your money prove that taking it isn't theft?

 

[bripat9643]

While this was not your assignment, I do appreciate the effort you have put into completing it. However, your "arguments" were entirely non-sequitur as they do not address the prompt, which was: Explain in detail how taxes are currently being used in the United States "for the advancement of the ruling classes and continued subjugation of the productive working class."

Mymbyrs of Cyngryss being paid ridiculous sums of money, while an outrage, does not in and of itself advance the ruling class, nor does it subjugate the working class.

The only thing taxes advance is government growth. Anyone who thinks the government is actually interested in "helping the poor," needs help IMO.

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously they can't expect any help from you.

 

[itfitzme]

The only thing taxes advance is government growth. Anyone who thinks the government is actually interested in "helping the poor," needs help IMO.

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't rreally more that can be said about it.

 

[itfitzme]

The only thing taxes advance is government growth. Anyone who thinks the government is actually interested in "helping the poor," needs help IMO.

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't really more that can be said about it.

It would certainly be intresting, in a mobid sort of way, to see someone try to present evidence "that the goal is to not help the poor" or " they don't want us to think for ourselves".

You seem to be confusing the government with your mommy. Trust me on this, there is no one on the planet that wants you to need them.

 

[ChrisL]

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't really more that can be said about it.

It would certainly be intresting, in a mobid sort of way, to see someone try to present evidence "that the goal is to not help the poor" or " they don't want us to think for ourselves".

You seem to be confusing the government with your mommy. Trust me on this, there is no one on the planet that wants you to need them.

Sure there is, the government wants you to need them. It's the truth. They love being able to promise people stuff in return for votes. I mean really, this is just common sense!

 

[itfitzme]

When the government takes 35% of your income that is theft.

There is an interesting idea. Can you make an accounting of exactly how many direct and indirect $ of value that you personally benefit from?

It is an interesting problem.

 

[ChrisL]

And how can we help them without tax money with which to do so? Think before you post.

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't rreally more that can be said about it.

It's called "socialism."

 

[itfitzme]

Obviously, you didn't look at the link I posted showing government waste and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Besides, the goal is to not help the poor (because they just remain poor, welfare is a trap); it is to keep them poor and make more people dependent upon government. Of course, they don't want us to think for ourselves and be able to do for ourselves because then we wouldn't need them so much.

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't really more that can be said about it.

It would certainly be intresting, in a mobid sort of way, to see someone try to present evidence "that the goal is to not help the poor" or " they don't want us to think for ourselves".

You seem to be confusing the government with your mommy. Trust me on this, there is no one on the planet that wants you to need them.

Sure there is, the government wants you to need them. It's the truth. They love being able to promise people stuff in return for votes. I mean really, this is just common sense!

Well now, don't you have an over inflated sense of importance. Wow, it must be great.


No, really, you could die tommorow and the world wouldn't give it a moments notice.

That is common sense. What you've got going there is... I don't know what to call it. What it isn't is common sense.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I saw this concept briefly mentioned in another thread. I think it deserves its own discussion.

For those of you who believe that taxation is theft:

Taxes are proposed in and approved by legislative bodies, the members of which are elected by and accountable to their constituents. You either voted for the lygyslytyrs who created/raised various taxes, or you have failed to lobby the majority of the populace in your area to support candidates, policies, or referendums that would result in the reduction or abolition of taxation. By continuing to live in an area that levies taxes--be they locally-determined property taxes, statewide sales taxes, or the federal income tax--you are consenting to paying whatever taxes your elected representatives, or their agents in various revenue departments, determine that you owe.

"B-b-but, LM," you are undoubtedly saying, "My representatives aren't accountable to me, so the entire premise of your explanation of how taxation isn't theft is flawed!"

Not so, conservatards. You see, every elected representative in this country IS accountable to his or hyr constituents as a consequence of them being subject to election in the fyrst place--and in some instances, also subject to recall. Whether or not you and your fellow butthurt Wrongpublican voters actually do hold your representatives accountable for their actions is a circumstance irrelevant to the static, unchanging fact that anyone serving as an elected representatives is, by nature of their position, accountable to We the Pyyple.

So when you libertardians whine about "how far this country has fallen" and ask why "them thar taxes hafta be so derned high," remember that you did this. Every bit of it. Your actions (or more accurately for conservatards, your inactions) paved the way for the wyrld we live in today. The next time you're about to decry the American dream as being dead, stop yourself and remember: Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose.

Taxation is theft because people are forced to pay at the point of a gun.

Show me evidence that this has ever been the case. Show me state or federal agents using guns during their collection of income taxes. There are at least three pyyple in this thread who maintain that this happens, and yet none of you have produced even a shred of evidence to support this wild accusation.

No one is as stupid as you are pretending to be. Taxes are always collected by force, that is the only way the government can collect them. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing any government that does not take action against people who refuse to pay taxes.

As to funding government, what makes you think I want to fund it?

My apologies; I assumed that you were a rational, thynkyng lybyryl lyke mysylf. If you are an anarchist who wants no gyvyrnmynt, explain why this is the better option, in terms of our discussion on the issue of taxation. Or do you simply want the gyvyrnmyntto be run on an all-volunteer basis, or through some other means? Explain your comments more fully.

I am rational, which is why I asked what makes you think I want to fund government. The mere fact that I do not want to fund the government we have is not proof that I am an anarchist, it just proves I object to the system we have now.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, now that is just ridiculous. There isn't really more that can be said about it.

It would certainly be intresting, in a mobid sort of way, to see someone try to present evidence "that the goal is to not help the poor" or " they don't want us to think for ourselves".

You seem to be confusing the government with your mommy. Trust me on this, there is no one on the planet that wants you to need them.

Sure there is, the government wants you to need them. It's the truth. They love being able to promise people stuff in return for votes. I mean really, this is just common sense!

Well now, don't you have an over inflated sense of importance. Wow, it must be great.


No, really, you could die tommorow and the world wouldn't give it a moments notice.

That is common sense. What you've got going there is... I don't know what to call it. What it isn't is common sense.

Apparently the point has gone right over your head. Obviously I am not talking about myself Einstein. Don't you know what socialism is? Tell us what it is.

 

[ChrisL]

I am stunned that anyone could be happy and satisfied with the amount of taxes we citizens have to pay for monstrosity of a government and how our government handles our tax dollars. Our deficit, our foreign aid programs, entitlement programs, etc., etc. I'll tell you, these people who think it's good must be really stupid. Lol!

 

[JakeStarkey]

When the government takes 35% of your income that is theft.

You live in a modern technological infrastructure that requires government $$$.

No, it is not theft, and, yes, you are wrong.

The "infrastructure" of the Nazi death camps also required government tax dollars.

How does the government's desire for your money prove that taking it isn't theft?

Godwin's Law. you lose.

How does the We the Peoples' lege passing taxation become theft?

You are only going, "Wah, I don't like this," and no one cares what an anarcho commie thinks.

 

[ShackledNation]

You live in a modern technological infrastructure that requires government $$$.

No, it is not theft, and, yes, you are wrong.

The "infrastructure" of the Nazi death camps also required government tax dollars.

How does the government's desire for your money prove that taking it isn't theft?

Godwin's Law. you lose.

How does the We the Peoples' lege passing taxation become theft?

You are only going, "Wah, I don't like this," and no one cares what an anarcho commie thinks.

Godwin's law is not necessarily a fallacy, just a description of a phenomenon. What you have committed, however, is a non sequitor. Just because X requires Y to function does not mean Y is not Z.

For example, I require food to sustain my body. My action of taking food against my neighbor's will is theft regardless of if I require food or not.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Using no less than 200 wyrds, and citing no less than two sources (no more than one of which can be from the Internet), explain in detail how taxes are currently being used in the United States "for the advancement of the ruling classes and continued subjugation of the productive working class."

Are two hundred words really necessary?

Members of congress are paid 174,000 dollars per year. Plus expenses. To work about one third of the year. And get full retirement for life after simply taking the oath of office.

I think I have saved a hundred plus words here.

While this was not your assignment, I do appreciate the effort you have put into completing it. However, your "arguments" were entirely non-sequitur as they do not address the prompt, which was: Explain in detail how taxes are currently being used in the United States "for the advancement of the ruling classes and continued subjugation of the productive working class."

Mymbyrs of Cyngryss being paid ridiculous sums of money, while an outrage, does not in and of itself advance the ruling class, nor does it subjugate the working class.

You aren't qualified to hand out leaflet's let alone assignments. But the best part of your reply is you actually proving the point and not even realizing it.

Congress getting paid ridiculous amounts of money at the expense of the tax payers is exactly what advancing the ruling class and subjugating the tax payers is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"What you have committed, however, is a non sequitor. Just because X requires Y to function does not mean Y is not Z" is your silly fallacy. In bripat's case his fallacy is that We the People tax legislation is theft. No, it is not.

And your defense demonstrates you do not understand how logical fallacies operate.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Additionally, you say that "taxation is a right". Is this a typo for "taxation is right", or did you mean that the gyvyrnmynt has a ryght to tax its cytyzyns? Or perhaps, that cytyzyns have a ryght to impose taxation upon themsylves via referendum or some other means?

No, quite literally, taxation is a right of the Citizenry. If no taxes were paid at all, their Government, no matter how benevolent its leaders, would disintegrate. At that point, the Citizenry would actually demand to be taxed in order to main Rule of Law.