Tax dollars being spent to condemn free speech

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  1. Quantum Windbag
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    Gotta love a government that stands up for principles.

    Pakistan: anti-film ads feature Obama, Clinton - Yahoo! News
     
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    Human lives > "Principles".

    I'm completely in favor of unregulated free speech, and I don't think there should be any laws restricting it - but there's no reason why the State Dept. shouldn't have the same freedom of speech to denounce the film.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Let me see if this tracks with your complete misunderstanding of rights. The State Department is the government, the government does not have rights, it has powers granted to it voluntarily by the people of the United States, therefore the State Department does not have rights.
     
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    becasue its just driving the meme that the video was the driving force, and some video speaks for us all via collective guilt mewling, and we ostensibly agree its worth using our highest offices to denigrate, that just feeds their angst imho.
     
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    Free speeh is a jewel, except when it bites you in the ass.
     
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    "Freedom of speech" doesn't mean that the Government must agree with you in that speech, or that they can't publicly disagree.

    The semantics of what is or isn't a "right" are meaningless.
     
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    Here's the thing.

    The video didn't cause the attacks on the embassies - but that doesn't mean that the video hasn't "outraged" millions of people.

    I see no reason that the State Dept. shouldn't publicly state that we as a country don't stand behind the film.

    This isn't about "principles". This is about diplomacy.
     
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    Do you really understand the concept of Free Speech?

    If I condemn what you say and do not stand behind it, then I am exercising my right.

    The First Amendment does not protect you from being called out as an asshole.

    Fred Phelps, Terry Jones, this anti-Islam film producer crook and the jerk in Texas who hung a chair. Assholes.

    We can shame them, mock them, condemn them, and tell them to STFU. That's our right to protest and make our voice heard.

    Exercising your free speech rights can have consequences. If you exercise your free speech rights in an extreme manner, you may get an extreme response. Live with it.
     
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    You really are confused aren't you? Point out where I said that the official position of the government cannot be different from that of a private citizen. Can't do it, can you?

    The simple truth is that the government has policy positions, and private citizens do not have to agree with those positions.There is nothing wrong with that, there is, however, something wrong with the government publicly airing the fact that private citizens disagree with it in foreign markets.

    That isn't even what happened here. The constitution specifically prohibits the government from taking positions regarding religion. Yet, for some reason, assholes like you love the fact that the government is coddling a bunch of religious nuts.

    By the way, the difference between rights and power is not a semantic issue. It is the foundation of our legal system and our government. In fact, it is the foundation of every government legal system on the planet. Your willingness to trash that simply for the convenience of your position is really sad.
     

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