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The argument of this thread amounts to, "This one deal above any other incident is what has finally given al-Qaeda and the Taliban the strength to fight back against America.
Thanks, Obama."
Good, solid Republican logic. Why can't Obama just go back to the good ol' Reagan days when Muslim terrorists were our friends?
Do you know why Reagan supported the Muslims in Afghanistan? I would like to hear it if you do.
Though Bergdahl's captivity might not be correctly called a "kidnapping" since he appears to have voluntarily walked over and joined them, the rest is as predictable as night following day.
The Taliban sees that they have uncovered a gold mine. Did some of your top people get captured by the Americans? No problem. Just grab a few Americans in turn, and the American "leaders" will fall down on their knees and let your people go back to you before you can take a deep breath.
And the Americans you managed to kill while your people were being captured, are "the icing on the cake" - you can have them for free.
Who wouldn't take a deal like that, and do everything they could to expand it?
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Taliban commander claims more kidnappings to come after Obama's hostage trade | Mail Online
Taliban commander claims more kidnappings will come now that Obama has completed his 5-for-1 hostage trade
by David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
Published: 12:16 EST, 5 June 2014
Updated: 12:45 EST, 5 June 2014
A Taliban commander in Afghanistan said Thursday that Americans can expect to see more kidnappings to ransom accused terrorists held by the United States.
Terrorists under his command, the Taliban leader said, would work to take more Americans prisoner, since the Obama administration's deal to free Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has shown captive U.S. troops can be used as leverage.
'It's better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,' the commander told TIME magazine.
'It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.'
I have a story to tell you.
When I was a little kid, I did stupid things like all kids do. Invariably, later on I was hard pressed to explain what possessed me to do X.
At one point, my father in frustration said the following to me.
"You behave as if stupidity were a virtue." It was funny...and true. I've never forgotten it.
Let's just move past the point about WHY in God's name you take the Taliban at their word since they likely need no other reason to kidnap Americans than the ones they already have. Truth is, if they could, they WOULD kidnap more.
So, now that I've jumped beyond the obvious, let me touch on something that's a wee bit more subtle, but not by much.
Do you think that the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan monitor the American media that's broadcast all around the world on satellite?
If the answer is yes, what are they seeing?
Answer: They're seeing and hearing conservatives attack Bergdahl AND the president and plunging our media into yet one more rhetorical fist fight. Hell, they helped orchestrate the whole thing with their propaganda video. To THEM, this is a GOOD thing.
Think they'd feel the way if the country just welcomed Bergdahl back, and we seemed united?
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
Under those circumstances, of COURSE the Taliban would love to kidnap another American if they thought they could recreate this kind of discord here at home.
So, again, I can't help but be drawn to those words of my father. Allow me to paraphrase it to make it accurate to the occasion.
Conservatives behave as if stupidity were a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think that the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan monitor the American media that's broadcast all around the world on satellite?
If the answer is yes, what are they seeing?
Answer: They're seeing and hearing conservatives attack Bergdahl AND the president and plunging our media into yet one more rhetorical fist fight. Hell, they helped orchestrate the whole thing with their propaganda video. To THEM, this is a GOOD thing.
Think they'd feel the way if the country just welcomed Bergdahl back, and we seemed united?
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
The same can be said for the whackos who shoot 20 kids in a school. If they COULDN'T expect weeks of blazing headlines long after the police kill them, do you think they would still shoot 20 kids in a school? Probably not (though it's hard to tell with insane whackos).
But if the solution is to muzzle the press and prevent them from writing blazing headlines and the articles that go with them... it's a solution we can't use.
Sorry. Back to the drawing board.
One more from the Bush releaes:
Abdul Rahman Noorani was a citizen of Afghanistan who was held in extrajudicial detention in the United States Guantanamo Bay detainment camps, in Cuba.[1] His Internment Serial Number was 582.
He was repatriated on July 16, 2003.[2]
Yes, Obama is President now, but pretending Bush did not release Gitmo "detainees" that returned to the Taliban is silly. How do we end the extremists grip on some Muslim populations? Invading the secular Iraq sure didn't do it.
why would we release the detainees?Here's the thing.
Once we have wound down the war in Afghanistan at the end of the year, we are going to start releasing the rest of the detainees. Prisoner exchange or no prisoner exchange.
The Bergdahl thing changes nothing. The Taliban would be snatching more Americans if they could anyway. It's just that you don't find many Americans wandering around the wilds of Afghanistan or Pakistan. You have the occasional idiot backpackers wandering into Iran and shit, but that's about it. Then there's the random Christian missionary pushing Bibles. Those kinds of people have been being taken since long before Bergdahl's release.
This exchange changes nothing in that respect. If you are a defenseless American and wander across the vision of a terrorist, you are getting taken down, Bergdahl or no Bergdahl.
This meme that Bergdahl's release increases danger to Americans is bogus.
Yeah all they have to do is wait for someone to leave their post, capture them, wait 5 years and hope it goes well.
According to you, the war is over.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/357977-there-was-no-letter-on-the-bed-9.html#post9213776
So why are you posting at all?
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
Under those circumstances, of COURSE the Taliban would love to kidnap another American if they thought they could recreate this kind of discord here at home.
So, again, I can't help but be drawn to those words of my father. Allow me to paraphrase it to make it accurate to the occasion.
Conservatives behave as if stupidity were a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!
Though Bergdahl's captivity might not be correctly called a "kidnapping" since he appears to have voluntarily walked over and joined them, the rest is as predictable as night following day.
The Taliban sees that they have uncovered a gold mine. Did some of your top people get captured by the Americans? No problem. Just grab a few Americans in turn, and the American "leaders" will fall down on their knees and let your people go back to you before you can take a deep breath.
And the Americans you managed to kill while your people were being captured, are "the icing on the cake" - you can have them for free.
Who wouldn't take a deal like that, and do everything they could to expand it?
----------------------------------------------------
Taliban commander claims more kidnappings to come after Obama's hostage trade | Mail Online
Taliban commander claims more kidnappings will come now that Obama has completed his 5-for-1 hostage trade
by David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
Published: 12:16 EST, 5 June 2014
Updated: 12:45 EST, 5 June 2014
A Taliban commander in Afghanistan said Thursday that Americans can expect to see more kidnappings to ransom accused terrorists held by the United States.
Terrorists under his command, the Taliban leader said, would work to take more Americans prisoner, since the Obama administration's deal to free Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has shown captive U.S. troops can be used as leverage.
'It's better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people,' the commander told TIME magazine.
'It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.'
I have a story to tell you.
When I was a little kid, I did stupid things like all kids do. Invariably, later on I was hard pressed to explain what possessed me to do X.
At one point, my father in frustration said the following to me.
"You behave as if stupidity were a virtue." It was funny...and true. I've never forgotten it.
Let's just move past the point about WHY in God's name you take the Taliban at their word since they likely need no other reason to kidnap Americans than the ones they already have. Truth is, if they could, they WOULD kidnap more.
So, now that I've jumped beyond the obvious, let me touch on something that's a wee bit more subtle, but not by much.
Do you think that the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan monitor the American media that's broadcast all around the world on satellite?
If the answer is yes, what are they seeing?
Answer: They're seeing and hearing conservatives attack Bergdahl AND the president and plunging our media into yet one more rhetorical fist fight. Hell, they helped orchestrate the whole thing with their propaganda video. To THEM, this is a GOOD thing.
Think they'd feel the way if the country just welcomed Bergdahl back, and we seemed united?
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
Under those circumstances, of COURSE the Taliban would love to kidnap another American if they thought they could recreate this kind of discord here at home.
So, again, I can't help but be drawn to those words of my father. Allow me to paraphrase it to make it accurate to the occasion.
Conservatives behave as if stupidity were a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!
why would we release the detainees?Here's the thing.
Once we have wound down the war in Afghanistan at the end of the year, we are going to start releasing the rest of the detainees. Prisoner exchange or no prisoner exchange.
The Bergdahl thing changes nothing. The Taliban would be snatching more Americans if they could anyway. It's just that you don't find many Americans wandering around the wilds of Afghanistan or Pakistan. You have the occasional idiot backpackers wandering into Iran and shit, but that's about it. Then there's the random Christian missionary pushing Bibles. Those kinds of people have been being taken since long before Bergdahl's release.
This exchange changes nothing in that respect. If you are a defenseless American and wander across the vision of a terrorist, you are getting taken down, Bergdahl or no Bergdahl.
This meme that Bergdahl's release increases danger to Americans is bogus.
The war wont be over.
No one is telling us that they are laying down their arms.
There wont be a treaty.
There wont be a cease fire.
We are leaving THAT front, but the war wont be over by any means.
Why do you think the war is ending?
Obama = Jimmy Carter on steroids.Obama must know what he is doing:
"A Taliban commander close to the negotiations over the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl told TIME Thursday that the deal made to secure Bergdahl’s release has made it more appealing for fighters to capture American soldiers and other high-value targets."
Taliban commander warns of more kidnappings after Bowe Bergdahl - TIME
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Obama is following Bush's example, so Obama is wrong and Bush is irrelevant.
Remind us again who started this bullshit war in the first place? It was Obama in 2008, right?
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
Under those circumstances, of COURSE the Taliban would love to kidnap another American if they thought they could recreate this kind of discord here at home.
So, again, I can't help but be drawn to those words of my father. Allow me to paraphrase it to make it accurate to the occasion.
Conservatives behave as if stupidity were a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!
So because Republicans opposed the trade, the Taliban will want to do it again, but if people had been happy we made the trade, they wouldn't.
Hmm.
You act like stupidity is a virtue.
why would we release the detainees?Here's the thing.
Once we have wound down the war in Afghanistan at the end of the year, we are going to start releasing the rest of the detainees. Prisoner exchange or no prisoner exchange.
The Bergdahl thing changes nothing. The Taliban would be snatching more Americans if they could anyway. It's just that you don't find many Americans wandering around the wilds of Afghanistan or Pakistan. You have the occasional idiot backpackers wandering into Iran and shit, but that's about it. Then there's the random Christian missionary pushing Bibles. Those kinds of people have been being taken since long before Bergdahl's release.
This exchange changes nothing in that respect. If you are a defenseless American and wander across the vision of a terrorist, you are getting taken down, Bergdahl or no Bergdahl.
This meme that Bergdahl's release increases danger to Americans is bogus.
The war wont be over.
No one is telling us that they are laying down their arms.
There wont be a treaty.
There wont be a cease fire.
We are leaving THAT front, but the war wont be over by any means.
Why do you think the war is ending?
The war is over when we say it is over because the terrorists-r-us side doesn't have the means capable of outpacing our intelligence community too well, and in the rare instance that they do we can (and should) handle it like a criminal investigation.
When we leave, they have no means to boat all of their troops over here and continue the "war."
We can end it whenever we like, and the remnants of it would be them chasing our heels while being picked off little by little by special forces as fed by intelligence. That's not "war," and we can definitely end the war unilaterally.
The Taliban have jerked your chain once already, and they're doing it AGAIN. And the REASON why they're doing it is because of YOU and people LIKE you who have this kind of reaction and turn the whole thing into a controversy which serves to do nothing but distract us as a nation and draw the attention of our leaders away from the war effort just to deal with this.
Under those circumstances, of COURSE the Taliban would love to kidnap another American if they thought they could recreate this kind of discord here at home.
So, again, I can't help but be drawn to those words of my father. Allow me to paraphrase it to make it accurate to the occasion.
Conservatives behave as if stupidity were a virtue!!!!!!!!!!!
So because Republicans opposed the trade, the Taliban will want to do it again, but if people had been happy we made the trade, they wouldn't.
Hmm.
You act like stupidity is a virtue.
I didn't say they wouldn't want to do it again. In fact, I said they already had reasons to want to do it they could which was clearly stated in the part of my post you neglected to include in your response.
What I also said is that they would love to recreate this kind of discord now that they've seen how they can manipulate people like you. Since you didn't seem to understand what I clearly said, who's the stupid one?
Our scumbag dimocrap pals will buy this, but is anybody else that stupid?