Syria Intervention

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    The point of the Empire's sword is directed toward Syria. The following is an issues list related to the Syrian intervention.

    * Sanctions always hurt civilian populations. Carried to an extreme, as with Iraq, sanctions can decimate the population of a nation. In addition, sanctions do not hit the privileged elites anywhere near as hard as they do the general population.

    * Military intervention always hurts civilian populations. The Western powers are already intervening in Syria, with disastrous results for the Syrian people.

    * Attacks on Syria by Western powers strengthen domestic support for the Assad regime. The Syrian people rightly perceive foreign assaults as being imperialistic.

    * Much of the reporting on Syria consists of dubious propaganda. Both sides of the civil war lie, but the Western media plays up the side of the Syrian opposition without applying any appropriate degree of skepticism.

    * Syria is a stepping stone on the path to regime change in Iran. Not only is Syria an Iranian ally, Syria also funnels arms into Lebanon. Those arms could be used against Israel if Israel attacks Iran. Thus, the Western powers want Syria out of the way in order to facilitate regime change in Iran.

    * Sunni/Shia divisions - Syria, Iran, Lebanon(mixed), and Iraq form a Shia alliance. Saudi Arabia leads a Sunni alliance(Turkey, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, and United Arab Emirates) that wants to break up the Shia alliance. The Western powers want to play up the divide, in a classical imperialist manner, in order to maintain and extend hegemony over the Middle East.

    * It is a grievous mistake to align yourself with any government. The Syrian government, the United States government, the Russian government, the Saudi Arabian government, etc., all have their own agenda that has nothing to do with the welfare of the Syrian people. The critical point is to allow the Syrians, and everybody else, to determine their own fate.

    * The assault on the Syrian government is straining the relationship between the United States and Russia, a Syrian ally. Anything that strains the relationship between the two nuclear superpowers is a bad thing.

    * Foreign powers are funneling arms to the Syrian rebels. The result is not only an increase in violence, but the whole opposition movement is being taken over by the most violent elements.

    * Imposing regime change on Syria is likely to have dire consequences for religious minorities. For example, religious minorities in Iraq suffered enormously after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

    * In a time when the United States government is running deficits of over a trillion dollars a year in order to prop up its teetering economy, and the European banking system is in danger of collapse, do the Western powers really need to take on the expense of imposing regime change in Syria?

    * Do the actions of the United States toward Syria conform to international law?

    * What should opponents of a Syrian intervention do to stem the assault? At Tolstoy put it, what is to be done?
     
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    * What US/Europe elites do is an "expense" for the "great unwashed" masses of their respective countries; from elites' stand point -- it's an investment.

    Post WW2 US is like an alien from a film: it needs a "host body" to exist. The reason US came out of its horrendous economic depression and built itself into what it is now, is -- after WW2 US latched onto the countries of the Western Europe, then it moved onto sucking the life out of Africa...

    By the end of 1980-s the West and US were slipping into a deep economic depression, US needed some other "host body" in order to survive. That "host body" became the USSR and the former socialist block of East European countries. US robbed them like there is no tomorrow, and it allowed US to postpone the crisis until 2007.

    Now, to destroy and plunder Libya and the ME is no longer enough for US to survive; it needs all it can get out of Central Asia and Russia. Without this mega plunder the US as a superpower will collapse.

    The stakes are too high for US and allied to it UK, French and to a lesser degree -- German elites to back off.

    * US and EU idiots buried international law the day they recognised Kosovo.

    * Pray for another Stalin in Russia; save that, pray for Putin to have enough balls to break away from US constructed oligarchic system of Russian elites and together with China to stop the US.
     
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    Total garbage, no wonder the turd didn't provide a link.

    "$1 trillion per year deficits," just too fucking hilarious.
     
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    This part is 100% correct. :cool:
     
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    its so good of the shiites and sunnis to have engaged in slitting each others throats for the past 1400 years -----JUST SO THE USA CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LITTLE DISPUTE
     
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    590 Bodies Found In Syria this weekend...
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    At least 150 reported killed across Syria; activist says families executed
    Sun August 26, 2012 - Activists report 62 killed in Damascus and its suburbs, including an entire family; Video shows Syrian VP in Damascus after defection claims; An opposition activist says Daraya is under fire because it revolted against the regime; 440 people were reported dead Saturday, including more than 200 bodies found in Daraya
    See also:

    New Cold War emerging between U.S., Russia
    Opposite positions over Syria set up conflict
     
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    ?????!!!!!!! Good Lord! News do travel slow in the West!

    This "New Cold war" is already reaching a stage of a "hot" one along Caucasian and Central Asian Russian borders!
     
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    Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan opposed intervention of the international community in the internal affairs of Syria.

    "We are concerned about the continuing bloodshed in Syria, the increase in the number of dead and wounded. We believe that the interference in the internal affairs of Syria and any attempt at outside influence can lead to a complication of the situation not only within the state but also in the region as a whole ", - said Abibullayev
     
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    Civil War Closes In On Damascus...
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    Residents in Syria's capital 'stuck in the middle' as civil war closes in
    Mon September 17, 2012 - "I am worried sick ... but there is nothing we can do," a woman in Damascus says; Another worries about how to respond to regime or rebel fighters who might stop her; Artillery shells explode just a few miles away from busy city streets
     
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    Western media is trying to keep the tune going; but in actual fact, the OPEN WAR phase is practically over. Syrian forces are cleaning up outskirts of some major cities and pushing "revolutionaries" towards the Turkish border.
     

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