Summary of Evidence Released - What It Says

[Syriusly]

Okay, so no problem then accurately describing the dossier as a steaming pile that should not have been used to get permission to spy on an American. Works for me.

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

 

[Faun]

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Just two more days until the clock runs out for Trump to release the Democrats’ rebuttal memo.

 

[Syriusly]

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Just two more days until the clock runs out for Trump to release the Democrats’ rebuttal memo.

How long did it take for Trump to authorize release of the Nunes memo?

I think it is sad how the GOP and the Trump administration have been willing to sacrifice the FBI just to protect his presidency.

Just look how they have tried in the course of a year to paint Comey and Muehler as out of control leftists trying to pull off a coupe- when just 2 years ago they were the darlings of the GOP.

 

[task0778]

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

I question it. Show your proof the FBI presented the FISC unverified Intel.....

This as written in January 2018, by The Atlantic, not exactly a RW news source. Do you realize who Steele's sources were? RUSSIANS. I highly doubt the FISA court knew that.

What’s notable about the dossier is that it appears not to have been intended as a statement of ultimate truth for public consumption: It was what Steele’s sources were telling him, and what he as an intelligence veteran believed to be persuasive, but it was not proven. Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified (though Steele reportedly believes it is largely correct). BuzzFeed editor Ben Smith defended the release of the dossier as a victory for transparency and press freedom in a New York Times op-ed Wednesday, but it remains hard to argue that publishing unverified information aided the press. The dossier was effectively hearsay, providing useful leads, but not fact—which is what separates it from bonafide primary sources that journalists reproduce for their readers, like court documents. The willingness of the press to publish the dossier despite not having verified its contents likely tainted the press’s reputation, especially with Trump supporters.

What 'Fire and Fury' Shares With the Steele Dossier

Holyfuckingshit!

You’re telling me there’s nothing verified in the dossier — and then YOU post this...

Parts of the dossier have been borne out​

C’ya

It wasn't verified then. Where did I say there's nothing verified in the dossier AT THE TIMES it was presented to the FISA Court. Do try to read the whole thing:

" Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified "

 

[Faun]

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Just two more days until the clock runs out for Trump to release the Democrats’ rebuttal memo.

How long did it take for Trump to authorize release of the Nunes memo?

I think it is sad how the GOP and the Trump administration have been willing to sacrifice the FBI just to protect his presidency.

Just look how they have tried in the course of a year to paint Comey and Muehler as out of control leftists trying to pull off a coupe- when just 2 years ago they were the darlings of the GOP.

He took 4 days with the Republican memo. And the right are like puppets for him, attacking any and all perceived threats to Trump. Look at how they attack the press. Then they attack having an independent counse. Now it’s our Justice Department and FBI. Who’s next?

 

[task0778]

Who is telling you that you have to 'respect' the Steele dossier? Certainly not me- who is saying you have to believe the Steel dossier?

And who are you to tell me I have to respect the Nunes steaming pile of a hit piece?

Remember- the entire theme of the Nunes hit piece is the claim that the FBI did not reveal the bias of the Steele Dossier to the court- but Nunes lied about that in the memo- flat out lied in the memo about that.

Far from everything being 'verified' what the FBI and others have pointed out is that the Nunes memo has falsehoods, and also left out key data. Matter of fact- the Nunes memo is everything the GOP claims the Steele memo is- it is politically biased, produced by a man with a open bias towards President Trump. It leaves out key information- stating that the Steele Dossier was paid for by the Democrats- but leaving out that it was also funded by Conservatives. The Nunes memo also leaves out that the FBI knew that the Russians attempted to recruit Page several years ago- so he was a person of interest even before any of this happened.

And finally- how the hell can this be proof of an attack on the Trump campaign- when Page wasn't a member of the Trump campaign anymore?

Okay, so no problem then accurately describing the dossier as a steaming pile that should not have been used to get permission to spy on an American. Works for me.

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown,.

Why is it 'yet unknown'?

Because:
a) Nunes decided not to tell us and because he doesn't have the authority to release that information
b) Nunes blocked the release of the Democrats rebuttal so that it would not compete with the GOP propaganda piece.
There are House rules that the GOP followed to release the Nunes memo. I see no reason why the Dems shouldn't got through the same process, it's going to get released anyway.

What we do know for certain is that the FISA application was not based solely on the Steele Dossier- and that Nunes lied about what was in the FISA application.

Actually we don't know that for certain, presumably much of the rest of the application was media reports that were actually based on what was in that Dossier. We also know that according the McCabe without that dossier the application wouldn't have made it to the FISA Court in the 1st place,he said so himself and that's a matter of record.

 

[task0778]

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Just two more days until the clock runs out for Trump to release the Democrats’ rebuttal memo.

How long did it take for Trump to authorize release of the Nunes memo?

I think it is sad how the GOP and the Trump administration have been willing to sacrifice the FBI just to protect his presidency.

Just look how they have tried in the course of a year to paint Comey and Muehler as out of control leftists trying to pull off a coupe- when just 2 years ago they were the darlings of the GOP.

He took 4 days with the Republican memo. And the right are like puppets for him, attacking any and all perceived threats to Trump. Look at how they attack the press. Then they attack having an independent counse. Now it’s our Justice Department and FBI. Who’s next?

The GOP wrote their memo so there wouldn't be any mention of name, places, and methods that might require redaction. Hence, it sailed right through. Some people say the Dems deliberately included stuff they knew would have to be redacted just to make it look like Trump was slow walking it.

 

[Faun]

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Just two more days until the clock runs out for Trump to release the Democrats’ rebuttal memo.

How long did it take for Trump to authorize release of the Nunes memo?

I think it is sad how the GOP and the Trump administration have been willing to sacrifice the FBI just to protect his presidency.

Just look how they have tried in the course of a year to paint Comey and Muehler as out of control leftists trying to pull off a coupe- when just 2 years ago they were the darlings of the GOP.

He took 4 days with the Republican memo. And the right are like puppets for him, attacking any and all perceived threats to Trump. Look at how they attack the press. Then they attack having an independent counse. Now it’s our Justice Department and FBI. Who’s next?

The GOP wrote their memo so there wouldn't be any mention of name, places, and methods that might require redaction. Hence, it sailed right through. Some people say the Dems deliberately included stuff they knew would have to be redacted just to make it look like Trump was slow walking it.

He’s only on day 3, relax. And the Dem version is also much larger, so he might need that extra day.

 

[Syriusly]

Okay, so no problem then accurately describing the dossier as a steaming pile that should not have been used to get permission to spy on an American. Works for me.

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown,.

Why is it 'yet unknown'?

Because:
a) Nunes decided not to tell us and because he doesn't have the authority to release that information
b) Nunes blocked the release of the Democrats rebuttal so that it would not compete with the GOP propaganda piece.
There are House rules that the GOP followed to release the Nunes memo. I see no reason why the Dems shouldn't got through the same process, it's going to get released anyway.

What we do know for certain is that the FISA application was not based solely on the Steele Dossier- and that Nunes lied about what was in the FISA application.

Actually we don't know that for certain, presumably much of the rest of the application was media reports that were actually based on what was in that Dossier. We also know that according the McCabe without that dossier the application wouldn't have made it to the FISA Court in the 1st place,he said so himself and that's a matter of record.

Actually we don't know that for certain, presumably much of the rest of the application was media reports that were actually based on what was in that

Well that is what the Nunes memo said

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.

Of course Nunes doesn't say that the FISA application was citing the news articles as corroboration- or as others have suggested- as examples of how this information has been made public.

We can presume lots of things. And I think it is pretty clear that Nunes intended for his memo to encourage people to presume things that he wanted people to presume.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Okay, so no problem then accurately describing the dossier as a steaming pile that should not have been used to get permission to spy on an American. Works for me.

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

I question it. Show your proof the FBI presented the FISC unverified Intel.....

This as written in January 2018, by The Atlantic, not exactly a RW news source. Do you realize who Steele's sources were? RUSSIANS. I highly doubt the FISA court knew that.

What’s notable about the dossier is that it appears not to have been intended as a statement of ultimate truth for public consumption: It was what Steele’s sources were telling him, and what he as an intelligence veteran believed to be persuasive, but it was not proven. Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified (though Steele reportedly believes it is largely correct). BuzzFeed editor Ben Smith defended the release of the dossier as a victory for transparency and press freedom in a New York Times op-ed Wednesday, but it remains hard to argue that publishing unverified information aided the press. The dossier was effectively hearsay, providing useful leads, but not fact—which is what separates it from bonafide primary sources that journalists reproduce for their readers, like court documents. The willingness of the press to publish the dossier despite not having verified its contents likely tainted the press’s reputation, especially with Trump supporters.

What 'Fire and Fury' Shares With the Steele Dossier

Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified (though Steele reportedly believes it is largely
correct).

Now, what parts do you imagine would have been relevant to a warrant specific to Carter Page?

 

[Faun]

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

I question it. Show your proof the FBI presented the FISC unverified Intel.....

This as written in January 2018, by The Atlantic, not exactly a RW news source. Do you realize who Steele's sources were? RUSSIANS. I highly doubt the FISA court knew that.

What’s notable about the dossier is that it appears not to have been intended as a statement of ultimate truth for public consumption: It was what Steele’s sources were telling him, and what he as an intelligence veteran believed to be persuasive, but it was not proven. Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified (though Steele reportedly believes it is largely correct). BuzzFeed editor Ben Smith defended the release of the dossier as a victory for transparency and press freedom in a New York Times op-ed Wednesday, but it remains hard to argue that publishing unverified information aided the press. The dossier was effectively hearsay, providing useful leads, but not fact—which is what separates it from bonafide primary sources that journalists reproduce for their readers, like court documents. The willingness of the press to publish the dossier despite not having verified its contents likely tainted the press’s reputation, especially with Trump supporters.

What 'Fire and Fury' Shares With the Steele Dossier

Holyfuckingshit!

You’re telling me there’s nothing verified in the dossier — and then YOU post this...

Parts of the dossier have been borne out​

C’ya

It wasn't verified then. Where did I say there's nothing verified in the dossier AT THE TIMES it was presented to the FISA Court. Do try to read the whole thing:

" Parts of the dossier have been borne out, especially as regards Russian hacking efforts and meetings between Carter Page and Russians, but the vast majority remains unverified "

Now you’re simply making shit up to cover for your accidental surrender.

Where does it say when parts of the dossier were confirmed??

 

[WEATHER53]

It all boils down to liberals squealing "we have serious misgivings about you obtaining proof of our myriads of illegal acts"

 

[easyt65]

It all boils down to traitors collaborating with / paying a foreign spy working with RUSSIANS, a foreign spy the FBI itself assessed to be a DESPERATE liar determined not to let Trump be elected President...paid him through a company working for the Russians...for Russian propaganda and used it illegally in a US election AND the FBI leadership did knowingly withhold required information to illegally acquire a FISA warrant to spy on the political opponent during an election.

 

[easyt65]

Evidence now shows the $145 Million from the Russians to Hillary and the $500k per speech to Bill WERE BRIBES, according to the FBI's own informant!

 

[WEATHER53]

Remember how broke Hills and Bills were Loudly & publicly procclaiming they were after his term. They sure fixed that fast and plenty but how?

 

[Faun]

Evidence now shows the $145 Million from the Russians to Hillary and the $500k per speech to Bill WERE BRIBES, according to the FBI's own informant!

What a pity that $145m from Russians to the Clintons is just a figment of your imagination.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama's publisher made up the $145,000,000 figure

 

[dudmuck]

Evidence now shows the $145 Million from the Russians to Hillary and the $500k per speech to Bill WERE BRIBES, according to the FBI's own informant!

You dont have any evidence.
You've got that confused with Russian money going to NRA.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Breaking News:

President Donald Trump announced Friday night that he refuses to release the Democratic rebuttal of Rep. Devin Nunes’ (R-CA) memo alleging anti-Trump bias among the Justice Department and FBI’s highest ranks.

“Although the President is inclined to declassify the February 5th Memorandum, because the Memorandum contains numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages, he is unable to do so at this time,” White House counsel Donald McGahn said Friday in a letter to the House Intelligence Committee.

Trump Stirs The Nunes Memo Pot By Denying Democratic Rebuttal Release

 

[S.J.]

I don't know whether the dossier is pure bullshit or not- none of us do.

But we do know that the Steele dossier certainly wasn't the only thing that was used to get permission to spy on an American- in addition- just what we do know- because Nunes was playing fast and furious with the facts:

• Page had been previously contacted by the Russian who wanted to recruit him as a spy.
• The FBI had heard about the Russians offering Clinton evidence to the Trump campaign by Papadopolus months before.

Is there more? Will Trump release the Democrats 'memo'?

We will have to see. But Nunes memo itself- was a pure propaganda hit piece- and it certainly is a steaming pile of BS.

Also, evidence from Papadopoulos was used to obtain a warrant on Page. The FBI has sufficient cause and concern to spy on someone other than Trump. Leave it to the conservative cult to claim Obama’s FBI spied on Trump with fake evidence.

They used unverified information to get that FISA warrant, that much is unquestioned. We know the FISA court declined an earlier request, so Obama's FBI/DOJ added the Steele dossier and tried again. What they actually disclosed to the FISA court is as yet unknown, but they did NOT have sufficient cause and concern enough to convince the FISA court to allow them to spy on anybody without using unvetted information and that is the truth. To this very day the FBI/DOJ still cannot verify the information in that dossier, so all you Lefties out there should consider whether or not the FBI/DOJ should put any American citizen under surveillance if the provenance and accuracy of their supporting evidence is unverified.

That is a fascinating fantasy you have come up with.

Also fascinating is that the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases- or whether any American other than Carter Page might have had 'unverified' information as the basis for the FISA request.

What we do know is that Nunes lied in his memo about the information about the Steele memo not being provided.

Why do you assume the GOP doesn't care about any other FISA cases, you have no reason to support that claim. In fact I am quite sure the Repubs do indeed have a great deal on interest and concern for FISA requests being granted without enough verified information. A helluva lot more than the democrats did under the Obama Admin or at the present time.

As for the Nunes memo, it states:

1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of—and paid by—the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

Actually, we do not yet know for sure whether these statements are true or not. So as yet there is no proof whatsoever of any lie in that memo in this regard.

Sure we do have proof as to lies in the memo.

This was a lie by omission:
1) The “dossier” compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign

Nunes knew that Steele had originally been funded by a Conservative publication- and deliberately left that out- citing only the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

And this was a flat out lie- which Nunes has admitted to:

“Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,”

But we found out:
Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small

the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application

The Nunes memo was a political hit piece by a man who was part of the Trump campaign and who has shown he has allegiance to Trump- not the American people.

Your link does not say the dossier was accurate, let alone prove it.