Suddenly dissent is no longer *patriotic*. Funny how things change...

[koshergrl]

Racist.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The issue I had with liberals under W criticizing him for the invasion was the "Bush lied" bull shit. Democrats were in the White House 8 of the 9 years before the buildup to the invasion, they had led the Senate Intelligence committee until recently (then) and were still all over it. That Bush had in one year manipulated all the intelligence while the Democrats on the Intelligence committee were watching it was just plain idiotic. Had Democrats said we realized "we" were wrong, I'd have respected them. The shallow lie Bush had misled them was ridiculous, partisan and unpatriotic.

My main concern was that the USA does not preemptively invade a country because of that that country might do.

The Bush Doctrine now exists and is his legacy.

And you're demonstrating my point on the vacuousness of the left. I'm against invading countries that are not threatening us and I'm against meddling in their business. And I'm against it all the time.

You attack Bush and let the Democrats who went arm and arm with him off that cliff completely off the hook. You are a hypocrite. But hey, as long as there's free government cheese in it for you, doesn't matter, right uscitizen?

I love how democrats pretend their representatives don't vote to fund wars...

When it comes to Obama - he is way more active than Bush when it comes to war - and his fellow democrats are funding all these military operations, yet progressives still have the audacity to attempt to play the anti-war card???

This has gone way beyond hypocritical and moved into the realm of delusional.

Michael Savage is 100% right when he calls "liberalism" a mental disorder.

 

[Truthmatters]

why are you disrepecting the American flag?

 

[kaz]

how do you prove that claim?

I should prove Bush believed what he said, you don't need to prove he lied. All I have for you is that this is typical of you because you're a dumb bimbo. I hope you're hot because the only way you're making a living is on your back.

 

[kaz]

the only thing different about him is hes black

Obama is black, and yet we treat him like Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of your Stalinistic leaders. Wow you're right, that is so racist. We can't go around treating blacks like white's.

Dumb bimbo.

 

[uscitizen]

My main concern was that the USA does not preemptively invade a country because of that that country might do.

The Bush Doctrine now exists and is his legacy.

And you're demonstrating my point on the vacuousness of the left. I'm against invading countries that are not threatening us and I'm against meddling in their business. And I'm against it all the time.

You attack Bush and let the Democrats who went arm and arm with him off that cliff completely off the hook. You are a hypocrite. But hey, as long as there's free government cheese in it for you, doesn't matter, right uscitizen?

I love how democrats pretend their representatives don't vote to fund wars...

When it comes to Obama - he is way more active than Bush when it comes to war - and his fellow democrats are funding all these military operations, yet progressives still have the audacity to attempt to play the anti-war card???

This has gone way beyond hypocritical and moved into the realm of delusional.

Michael Savage is 100% right when he calls "liberalism" a mental disorder.

Partisanism is a mental disorder.
The extremes of both sides are mentally deficient.

 

[BlindBoo]

It wasn't the Democrats in Congress the he mislead and lied to mostly, (they, like the Statist Republicans wanted the war with Iraq and were blindly pushing for the invasion). It was the people

This is the same stupid game that uscitizen and the Democrats play. Dude, anyone with the least bit of intellectual integrity (oops, you just fell off the bus) could see that W believed what he was saying. To be a lie, he would have to know it to be false.
The point is there's a better way. We can stay out of other's business and let evil corporations get their own oil and we can let consumers pay what it costs to get it. That way we don't have to fight endless wars with terrorists and we don't unsustainable needs for oil the market can't satisfy without government involvement.

But you...uscitizen...and the rest of the Democrats have to keep repeating your mind fuck lie that Republicans are liars when they aren't, they are just wrong. So are you and your party. Start finding a better way, the free government cheese isn't worth it.

Just can't help yourself huh?

Of course they knew they were misleading us and of course they lied lots.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - CIA - Salon.com

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq.

 

[asaratis]

All you whiney-assed liberals are predictable. You whine and bitch and moan when your ilk is not in control and you whine and bitch and moan when they are. What a bunch of goddamned pimply-faced babies.

Now that you have a black man in the White House, it is quite simple for you to play the race card whenever any criticism of the goddamned Marxist asshole comes to light. You don't differentiate between bigotry against Marxism and racism. I AM a bigot. I am not racist. Had there been no bigots against Hitler, the earth would likely have been renamed "Germany".

You play the race card repeatedly simply to apply an illegitimate coat of racist paint on those of us who striving to save this country from complete destruction at the hands of that goddamned Marxist bastard in the White House.

I realize that many of you braindead liberals are living in an ether of blind loyalty to your dear leader and you simply do not understand the separation between political ideology and racism...so you will never recognize our criticism of the goddamned Marxist for what it is.

How utterly fucking liberal of you.

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

Believe me...the most powerful enemy we have right now is sitting in the Oval Office.

 

[kaz]

Just can't help yourself huh?

Of course they knew they were misleading us and of course they lied lots

He got lots of conflicting information. I gave you a great point, which is to figure out what we should do and stop playing the finger pointing game. You said no, you want finger pointing, which is my whole point, useless partisan hack.

OK, so you want to go back to this one? Everyone knew the French, Russians and Germans had better intelligence then us. The French, Russians, and Germans said he had them, they just wanted another way besides invasion. He did have them, he used them dumb ass. On the Iranians and on his own people. Stockpiles are irrelevant because you don't need stockpiles. The technology to produce them is relevant because then you can produce what you need. That you can find an article on two people who SAID Hussein didn't have stockpiles is as irrelevant as it is intellectually lazy to only point out that in all the conflicting investigations there were conflicting views.

Two words, no duh. You have zero, except you insist on proving my point. Leave partisanship, argue there is a better way, staying out of it. Democrats don't want to stay out of it, they just want the steering wheel. They are driving down the same road. Grow up, grow a pair, grow a brain.

 

[Mac1958]

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This all seems pretty silly.

Of COURSE lefties change the rules when the rules have to apply to them. Funny thing is, so do the righties. They both do precisely the same thing, they both scream and moan when the other "side" does it, and they both deny and divert when they are exposed doing it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it happen in response to this post. It's part of the pathology of being a partisan ideologue. Doesn't everyone know that?

It's also why neither ridiculous end of the spectrum has any credibility whatsoever.

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[kaz]

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This all seems pretty silly.

Of COURSE lefties change the rules when the rules have to apply to them. Funny thing is, so do the righties. They both do precisely the same thing, they both scream and moan when the other "side" does it, and they both deny and divert when they are exposed doing it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it happen in response to this post. It's part of the pathology of being a partisan ideologue. Doesn't everyone know that?

It's also why neither ridiculous end of the spectrum has any credibility whatsoever.

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I was with you until the conclusion. Actually, as you pretty well pointed out, they are basically the same. There is little difference between them in behavior or goals.

Right now, it's worth voting Republican and I will gladly for the first time since the 80s to try to get Obamacare repealed, that is beyond what they "both" do. But other then that, I have no plan to make supporting Republicans permanent and it's for the reason you accurately point out. What's the difference?

 

[Mac1958]

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This all seems pretty silly.

Of COURSE lefties change the rules when the rules have to apply to them. Funny thing is, so do the righties. They both do precisely the same thing, they both scream and moan when the other "side" does it, and they both deny and divert when they are exposed doing it. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it happen in response to this post. It's part of the pathology of being a partisan ideologue. Doesn't everyone know that?

It's also why neither ridiculous end of the spectrum has any credibility whatsoever.

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I was with you until the conclusion. Actually, as you pretty well pointed out, they are basically the same. There is little difference between them in behavior or goals.

Right now, it's worth voting Republican and I will gladly for the first time since the 80s to try to get Obamacare repealed, that is beyond what they "both" do. But other then that, I have no plan to make supporting Republicans permanent and it's for the reason you accurately point out. What's the difference?

I'd submit that you don't inhabit one end of the spectrum. My guess is that each end is about 5% of the populace, loud and shrill and very silly. Your post doesn't strike me as someone who would qualify for that. But it's not hard to find on this board!

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[Inthemiddle]

the only thing different about him is hes black

Obama is black, and yet we treat him like Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of your Stalinistic leaders. Wow you're right, that is so racist. We can't go around treating blacks like white's.

Dumb bimbo.

I thought Obama was nothing more than Bush continued....

 

[Dr.Drock]

the only thing different about him is hes black

Obama is black, and yet we treat him like Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of your Stalinistic leaders. Wow you're right, that is so racist. We can't go around treating blacks like white's.

Dumb bimbo.

I thought Obama was nothing more than Bush continued....

You thought right.

 

[BlindBoo]

All you whiney-assed liberals are predictable. You whine and bitch and moan when your ilk is not in control and you whine and bitch and moan when they are. What a bunch of goddamned pimply-faced babies.

Now that you have a black man in the White House, it is quite simple for you to play the race card whenever any criticism of the goddamned Marxist asshole comes to light. You don't differentiate between bigotry against Marxism and racism. I AM a bigot. I am not racist. Had there been no bigots against Hitler, the earth would likely have been renamed "Germany".

You play the race card repeatedly simply to apply an illegitimate coat of racist paint on those of us who striving to save this country from complete destruction at the hands of that goddamned Marxist bastard in the White House.

I realize that many of you braindead liberals are living in an ether of blind loyalty to your dear leader and you simply do not understand the separation between political ideology and racism...so you will never recognize our criticism of the goddamned Marxist for what it is.

How utterly fucking liberal of you.

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

Believe me...the most powerful enemy we have right now is sitting in the Oval Office.

No need to call you a racist. You're just a hatefilled maroonie. The President is no more a Marxist than was his predecessor.

 

[kaz]

the only thing different about him is hes black

Obama is black, and yet we treat him like Kerry, Gore, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of your Stalinistic leaders. Wow you're right, that is so racist. We can't go around treating blacks like white's.

Dumb bimbo.

I thought Obama was nothing more than Bush continued....

Not sure what point you're making relevant to the discussion. I doubt you do either.

Bush sucked, Barry is MOS for sure.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just can't help yourself huh?

Of course they knew they were misleading us and of course they lied lots

He got lots of conflicting information. I gave you a great point, which is to figure out what we should do and stop playing the finger pointing game. You said no, you want finger pointing, which is my whole point, useless partisan hack.

OK, so you want to go back to this one? Everyone knew the French, Russians and Germans had better intelligence then us. The French, Russians, and Germans said he had them, they just wanted another way besides invasion. He did have them, he used them dumb ass. On the Iranians and on his own people. Stockpiles are irrelevant because you don't need stockpiles. The technology to produce them is relevant because then you can produce what you need. That you can find an article on two people who SAID Hussein didn't have stockpiles is as irrelevant as it is intellectually lazy to only point out that in all the conflicting investigations there were conflicting views.

Two words, no duh. You have zero, except you insist on proving my point. Leave partisanship, argue there is a better way, staying out of it. Democrats don't want to stay out of it, they just want the steering wheel. They are driving down the same road. Grow up, grow a pair, grow a brain.

The article was about the head of the CIA briefing Preisdent Bush on the matter.

Of course he had them in the 1980's! But that is a different story(Iraqgate) and the invasion propaganda was not based on those but on new WMD production and stockpiles.

The BBC reported on February 11, 2003, that, “France, Germany, and Russia have released an unprecedented joint declaration on the Iraq crisis, demanding more weapons inspectors and more technical assistance for them . . . ‘Nothing today justifies a war,’ Mr Chirac told a joint news conference with Mr Putin. ‘This region really does not need another war.’ He said France did not have ‘undisputed proof’ that Iraq still held weapons of mass destruction.”

Think Again: Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction: Did ?Everyone? Agree?

The International Atomic Energy Agency declared in 1998 that Iraq’s nuclear program had been completely dismantled. The UN Special Commission on Iraq estimated then that at least 95 percent of Iraq’s chemical weapons program had been similarly accounted for and destroyed. Iraq’s potential to develop biological weapons is a much bigger question mark, since such a program is much easier to hide. However, UNSCOM noted in 1998 that virtually all of Iraq’s offensive missiles and other delivery systems had been accounted for and rendered inoperable.


You have proved no point.

 

[paulitician]

Oh, the Socialists/Progressives will get right back to pretending they care about Freedom & Liberty as soon as the Republicans get the power back. You can bet on that. Same ole same ole. Nothing ever changes.

 

[skookerasbil]

Outstanding thread koshergrl!!!

 

[daveman]

What is different is the left's response.

When the GOP is in power, you proclaim dissent is "patriotic".

When dems are in power, you proclaim it's criminal, and call out the goons.

youre only look at how one side is viewing things.

right now the GOP sees dissent at patriotic, because they arent in power. remember Jan Brewer at the airport, and "You Lie"? they say that at patriotic. but when the GOP is in power and the Dems are against their way of governing, the dems are now "unpatriotic."

your argument is retarded.

Yes, that explains why the Bush White House set up [email protected] and AttackWatch so people could report on folks critical of Bush.

Oh, wait...