Subject: Our Presidential Candidates

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    Subject: Our Presidential Candidates



    Very Interesting. What are we gonna do?

    The only thing we can do is educate people and vote.

    In Just One Year
    This email comes in three parts: (The first is very important)

    Part 1
    In just one year. Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following:
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

    Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
    1) Consumer confidence plummet;
    2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
    4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
    (stock and mutual fund losses);
    5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
    6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

    America voted for change in 2006 , and we got it!

    Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

    Part 2:
    Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
    The Tax Foundation - U.S. Federal Individual Income Tax Rates History, 1913-2008
    Taxes under Clinton 1999
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750


    Taxes under Bush 2008
    Single making 30 K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250



    Our Democratic candidate will return to the higher tax rates It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama is elected, he says he will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

    PART 3:
    You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

    Boy, am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: FAIR: Immigration and Welfare

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
    Verify at: Center for Immigration Studies

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0..html

    5. $17 Billion do llars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    Verify at CNN.com - Transcripts

    6. $3 Mi llion Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt..01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    Verify at: CNN.com - Transcripts

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
    Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt .01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/ 12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions
    of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the S outhern border.
    Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
    Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
    Verify at: Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?

    14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
    Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

    You don't think hussein and the rest of the liberals can't ruin America? Think again.
     
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    Pretty telling when there's not one single response to such a fact filled post as this. It shows the level of antipathy we have in this country today.

    But that's pertaining to the conservatives. I fully understand why the hussein kool aide drinkers didn't respond.
     
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    The republicans have been in control for over 30 years now, this argument is about as dumb as one can get. Reagan's deficit spending killed Bush Sr, and Bush Jr's absurd deficit spending, along with an added dose of pure incompetence is killing us all now.
     
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    In the following article, this author points out the mistakes President Bush made.:
    Did Bush Makes Mistakes? | Hypocrisy

    Why doesn't anyone ever remember the good he has done? Everyone can point the finger, and play the blame game, but do we live with him and see day to day what being the President of the United States entails? Were we there on 9/11 when he had to make vital decisions that impacted our world?
    Any of you who reply and make fun of me, or try to show your superiority over me, only show true ignorance. Instead of pointing the finger, don't you think it's time to remember that soon he will no longer be our President, because we have to vote for a new leader?
     
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    Please tell us the good things he has done? - If nothing happened that does not count as a good thing by the way.
     
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    Sanctuary State of Mind (Rudy Loves Illegal Immigration)

    and

    I used to live in Dunc Hunter's district, and got the total we love and need the illegals lecture their office used to put out. Ole Dunc had businesses where he hired illegasls.....

    Oh, and that anchor baby thing......

    As for the tax thing, I am for a flat tax, 10% everyone pays, no exceptions, and a consumption tax (national sales tax) on non-essentials, 15% (clothing costing more than 100$, food, toilet paper, laundry soap are essentials - you get the drift)

    Taxes are a necessity, time to get over the whine. This country is enough of a pigsty without dispensing with taxes.
     
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    [FONT=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial] Whoever produced this chart simply applied tax tables from 1999 and 2008 to various income amounts, apparently without understanding the difference between marginal tax rates and average tax rates and without allowing for even the standard deduction. As The Tax Foundation noted, when those factors are correctly applied, the chart should look like this:

    Taxes under CLINTON 1999 Taxes under BUSH 2008 Single making 30K - tax $3,157.50 Single making 30K - tax $2,756.25 Single making 50K - tax $7,262.50 Single making 50K - tax $6,606.25 Single making 75K - tax $14,262.50 Single making 75K - tax $12,856.25 Married making 60K - tax $6,585.00 Married making 60K - tax $5,512.50 Married making 75K - tax $9,426.50 Married making 75K - tax $7,762.50 Married making 125K - tax $23,426.50 Married making 125K - tax $19,462.50
    Note that the largest difference between 1999 and 2008 taxes in this revised table is only $3,964.00 (for married couples making at least $125,000), while the original table (incorrectly) posits comparable or larger differences in five out of the six sample brackets.

    Errors aside, the limited amount of simplified information offered here (which assumes all taxpayers have no children and take the standard deduction, doesn't account for inflation or the Alternative Minimum Tax, etc.) provides only a small glimpse of a much larger and complex whole.

    snopes.com: Taxes: Clinton vs. Bush
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    Colorado Media Matters - Boyles touted as "study" an email collection of anti-immigration activist falsehoods and unsubstantiated assertions
     
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    So, PR, your way of educating people is to post bogus bullshit.

    Why would anyone believe you?
     
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