Subject: 545 People

[mal]

We have deficits because voters just like all of you vote the people out that raise their taxes and then vote the people out that cut spending on programs that you support.

Right Wingers are like spoiled little children.

You people don't want to have to pay your taxes, but you're more than happy to go fight an expensive war overseas. And God forbid anyone should mention cuts in Medicare spending.

You get the most money in federal funding, per capita, pay the least taxes, per capita, and have the most representation, per capita, and then you just complain and complain about spending and taxes. Well, here's a hint YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.

You all complain and complain about your politicians, but how do you think they got there? YOU VOTED FOR THEM. Right-wingers in general have MORE representation, per capita, than democrats, because a larger percentage of them come from smaller states.

The average person in Wyoming, for instance has 1 representative in congress for every 177,556 people (including one House epresentative and 2 Senators). While the average person in California has 1 representative in congress for every 668,303 people.

That means that every citizen of Wyoming has almost four times the representation of the average citizen of California. And Washington DC, which has more people in it than Wyoming, has no representation at all.

You complain about deficit spending and the debt, but you voted the administrations into office that CREATED ALL THE DEBT. We have 11 Trillion Dollars of debt, almost all of which was created during Republican administrations. Administrations that the majority of the people that thanked the OP for their post voted for.

And you wait until NOW to voice your "outrage"? What the hell were you all doing in 1984, 1988, 2000 and 2004? You know, the years you all voted in the people that created the debt?

Oh, that's right, you were listening to their promises about how lower taxes were the solution for all of our ills. Yeah, lower taxes, that's just workd out so well, hasn't it?




And the OP goes on and on about how congress is responsible, of course they're responsible, so here's how you fix the problem. STOP VOTING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE BEEN VOTING FOR.

It's not "Nancy Pelosi" or someone else's congressman that's the problem, it's YOUR CONGRESSMAN that's the problem.

Lower Taxes Seemed to Preceed the End of Carter/Reagan Recession and were Followed by an Economic Boom...

And that Debt... It was Reagan Spending on Military and the DemocRATS getting a Blank Check to Let him... Politics is a Bitch, ain't she.

It Certainly wasn't REPUBLICan Tax Increases that Caused the Longest Economic Expansion in History... The 90's.

A Recession that Ended in 1991 and an Expansion that Lasted until the Year of 9/11.

And of course what was the Answer to the Recession in 2001 just before 9/11?...

Didn't (43) Force Through some Tax Relief?...

And how Bad did that Recession get, even Coupled with 9/11?...

6.4% Unemployment?...

(43) Obviously Lost his Way and Barry and the DemocRAT Congress are going to and VERY MUCH ARE Turbo Charging those Errors as we Speak...

The Misery Index is Upon us.

Gone are the Days of 50 Month Expansions with 5% Unemployment.

But Keep Throwing Money at it...

I am Sure it will Work Eventually.



peace...

Since it's getting Props, I am Bumping it...



peace...

 

[Vast LWC]

A good honest and mature political discussion/debate is fun. However, the vile, insulting, frothing at the mouth, obama ass kissing zealot liberals here are far from fun. They RUIN every thread they enter. I believe they do this attempting to divert attention away from how utterly pathetic and worthless they really are.

Oh, I'm sorry Pale, did some big bad liberal come and disturb your little pat-yourselves-on-the-back echo chamber thread?

LOL.

Hey Pale, if you want to just hear people who think the same way, and don't argue with your point of view, perhaps you need to move on over to TownHall.com or some other Right-Wing bubble web site.

Here on USMB we actually have different points of view.

 

[Vast LWC]

Lower Taxes Seemed to Preceed the End of Carter/Reagan Recession and were Followed by an Economic Boom...

An economic boom spurred by giant spending increases, creating 4.1 Trillion dollars in Debt that is still unpaid and has gathered an additional approximately 2 Trillion dollars in interest so far.

In other words, after taxes were lowered, the revenue was not enough to cover spending.

And that Debt... It was Reagan Spending on Military and the DemocRATS getting a Blank Check to Let him... Politics is a Bitch, ain't she.

Military spending is spending. Period. Our nation spends more than the rest of the world COMBINED on military spending.

It Certainly wasn't REPUBLICan Tax Increases that Caused the Longest Economic Expansion in History... The 90's.

You're right, it certainly wasn't Republican anything. After all, Republicans weren't the ones who helped the internet get into place to start that expansion, now were they?

No, they were too busy laughing at Al Gore for his contributions in getting the ball rolling.

And besides, they thought the internet was a "Series of Tubes".

A Recession that Ended in 1991 and an Expansion that Lasted until the Year of 9/11.

So you're saying it took 11 years for the Republicans to end the Carter recession, and then have Republicans responsible for the period of productivity that followed?

And of course what was the Answer to the Recession in 2001 just before 9/11?...

Didn't (43) Force Through some Tax Relief?...

And how Bad did that Recession get, even Coupled with 9/11?...

6.4% Unemployment?...

Which was entirely the effect of the Housing bubble and the resulting credit default swaps. Once a correction occurred, and people realized that all the wealth that had been created actually didn't exist, everything tumbled right back down to where it was in 2000.

Leaving us with no revenue, giant spending increases that occurred during the Bush years, and a MASSIVE debt.

(43) Obviously Lost his Way and Barry and the DemocRAT Congress are going to and VERY MUCH ARE Turbo Charging those Errors as we Speak...

The Misery Index is Upon us.

Gone are the Days of 50 Month Expansions with 5% Unemployment.

Which were a result of running the country on a giant credit card. Now the debt's come due, and you're trying to blame it on the Democrats.

But Keep Throwing Money at it...

I am Sure it will Work Eventually.



peace...

Seems like Republicans were the ones throwing money at things, and lowering taxes at the same time.

That's why we have an 11 Trillion dollar national debt.

Let's make this simple. Laffer curve aside (as we passed the level where lowering taxes was good for revenue long ago)...

If you increase spending, and lower taxes, you incur debt. Period.

Democrats, the adults in the room, realize this. So when they spend, they try to fund the spending with taxes.

Republicans are like spoiled little children. They want to spend all the money, but they don't want to pay for it. So they borrow all the money they need, and pass the bill on to the rest of the country to deal with later. Giving us 11 Trillion dollars in debt.

That way, they make the periods where they're in control seem like boom times, and the periods where Democrats are in control are when they demand that the bills be paid.

 

[saveliberty]

Are you suggesting government spending is better then private spending? How sustainable is your government spending model?

 

[Vast LWC]

Are you suggesting government spending is better then private spending? How sustainable is your government spending model?

I am not.

What I'm suggesting is that such spending be used for emergency stimuli, and not just general tax cuts or spending to get people re-elected.

Therefore, a onetime stimulus, whether in the form of a tax break or government redistrbution to stave off an economic crisis is a good thing. Lowering the tax rate permanantly without lowering spending is a bad thing.

Theoretically, there is a level to which lowering the tax rate will create a larger revenue due to increased productivity, but that level was reached years ago, and long term spending continued to rise, and taxes continued to be lowered.

 

[saveliberty]

I have no problem with reducing the spending level. Maintaining the tax rates are probably necessary in order to reduce the deficit. Thanks for the reply.

 

[MaggieMae]

I think it is time we put the politicians in the water, literally. ship them to another country. Start over. Yes, that may mean a "REVOLUTION" but it would not be the first time. I would join, but I don't have the energy to start it. LOL

Keep a close eye on what happens next year. I think a revolution is coming and no one will have to fire a shot. However, if the later is needed, if things get worse, one could be coming.

Somewhere I started a thread on the effect a third party would have on the next elections, but it got sidetracked. But here is the problem:

More Americans would vote for a "Tea Party" candidate than a Republican, according to a Rasmussen poll released Monday that quizzed voters on a hypothetical three-way ballot. Respondents were asked to assume that the "Tea Party" was an organized new party, despite the fact that it is highly unlikely the grassroots conservative movement that has gained momentum this year will become a third party.

A majority of Americans said they would vote Democratic (36 percent), while the number who said they would vote "Tea Party" (23 percent) slightly edged out Republican voters (18 percent). Another 22 percent say they were undecided.

Among voters not affiliated with either party, the Tea Partiers had a clear advantage: 33 percent said they would support a Tea Party candidate, compared with 30 percent who said they were undecided, 25 percent Democrat and only 12 percent Republican.
Rasmussen Poll: Tea Party Beats GOP on Generic Three-Way Ballot -- Politics Daily

So the news for the Democrats and Republicans is not good when you look at pitiful numbers like that, but a third party is more likely to draw from the GOP than the Democrats which could ensure Democrats staying in power into perpetuity.

There's Rasmussen, and then there's ALL the others.
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[MaggieMae]

Keep a close eye on what happens next year. I think a revolution is coming and no one will have to fire a shot. However, if the later is needed, if things get worse, one could be coming.

Somewhere I started a thread on the effect a third party would have on the next elections, but it got sidetracked. But here is the problem:

More Americans would vote for a "Tea Party" candidate than a Republican, according to a Rasmussen poll released Monday that quizzed voters on a hypothetical three-way ballot. Respondents were asked to assume that the "Tea Party" was an organized new party, despite the fact that it is highly unlikely the grassroots conservative movement that has gained momentum this year will become a third party.

A majority of Americans said they would vote Democratic (36 percent), while the number who said they would vote "Tea Party" (23 percent) slightly edged out Republican voters (18 percent). Another 22 percent say they were undecided.

Among voters not affiliated with either party, the Tea Partiers had a clear advantage: 33 percent said they would support a Tea Party candidate, compared with 30 percent who said they were undecided, 25 percent Democrat and only 12 percent Republican.
Rasmussen Poll: Tea Party Beats GOP on Generic Three-Way Ballot -- Politics Daily

So the news for the Democrats and Republicans is not good when you look at pitiful numbers like that, but a third party is more likely to draw from the GOP than the Democrats which could ensure Democrats staying in power into perpetuity.

If by some unfortunate twist of fate liberals retained power, and we got more of what we already have, I could all but guarantee you, that would force another revolution. When people go broke, when they're paying 60-70% of their income in taxes, when unemployment is 20%, when the government is telling them what they can and can't do from the time they're born 'til when and how they die, when America is just another socialist, broke, third world shit hole, the people will revolt. There will be another Civil War. We're damn close to it now.

Hate to break it to you, but certain people opposing the winner in presidential elections have always screamed and yelled and threatened to start a revolution over [ fill in the blank ]. Just because you travel in circles who think like you do, you presume that there are "millions" just like you. Well there are not. So put your guns away and calm down. Another bunch of politicians more to your liking will come along in a few years and have a chance to fuck things up too.

 

[Vast LWC]

If by some unfortunate twist of fate liberals retained power, and we got more of what we already have, I could all but guarantee you, that would force another revolution. When people go broke, when they're paying 60-70% of their income in taxes, when unemployment is 20%, when the government is telling them what they can and can't do from the time they're born 'til when and how they die, when America is just another socialist, broke, third world shit hole, the people will revolt. There will be another Civil War. We're damn close to it now.

Hate to break it to you, but certain people opposing the winner in presidential elections have always screamed and yelled and threatened to start a revolution over [ fill in the blank ]. Just because you travel in circles who think like you do, you presume that there are "millions" just like you. Well there are not. So put your guns away and calm down. Another bunch of politicians more to your liking will come along in a few years and have a chance to fuck things up too.

It's hysterical when certain people claim to be "real" Americans, right up until the point that they lose an election, and then suddenly they don't like our Democratic (well Representative Republic anyway) system anymore.

 

[MaggieMae]

Lower Taxes Seemed to Preceed the End of Carter/Reagan Recession and were Followed by an Economic Boom...

And that Debt... It was Reagan Spending on Military and the DemocRATS getting a Blank Check to Let him... Politics is a Bitch, ain't she.

It Certainly wasn't REPUBLICan Tax Increases that Caused the Longest Economic Expansion in History... The 90's.

A Recession that Ended in 1991 and an Expansion that Lasted until the Year of 9/11.

And of course what was the Answer to the Recession in 2001 just before 9/11?...

Didn't (43) Force Through some Tax Relief?...

And how Bad did that Recession get, even Coupled with 9/11?...

6.4% Unemployment?...

(43) Obviously Lost his Way and Barry and the DemocRAT Congress are going to and VERY MUCH ARE Turbo Charging those Errors as we Speak...

The Misery Index is Upon us.

Gone are the Days of 50 Month Expansions with 5% Unemployment.

But Keep Throwing Money at it...

I am Sure it will Work Eventually.



peace...

Since it's getting Props, I am Bumping it...



peace...[/QUOTE]

Revisionist history is always an attention getter, especially if posted in snippets. Here's an excerpt from Bush 43's first address to a joint session of Congress on the economy. Can you tell us what happened to the trillion dollar 'rainy day' fund he explained would be available in addition to spending increases AND tax cuts?

My budget has funded a responsible increase in our ongoing operations. It has funded our nation's important priorities. It has protected Social Security and Medicare. And our surpluses are big enough that there is still money left over.

Many of you have talked about the need to pay down our national debt. I listened, and I agree.

We owe it to our children and grandchildren to act now, and I hope you will join me to pay down $2 trillion in debt during the next 10 years.

At the end of those 10 years, we will have paid down all of the debt that is available to retire.

That is more debt repaid more quickly than has ever been repaid by any nation at any time in history.

We should also prepare for the unexpected, for the uncertainties of the future. We should approach our Nation's budget as any prudent family would, with a contingency fund for emergencies or additional spending needs. For example, after a strategic review, we may need to increase defense spending, we may need additional money for our farmers, or additional money to reform Medicare.

And so my budget sets aside almost a trillion dollars over 10 years for additional needs. That is one trillion additional reasons you can feel comfortable supporting this budget.

Bush Speech to Congress: 27 Feb 2001

 

[007]

Somewhere I started a thread on the effect a third party would have on the next elections, but it got sidetracked. But here is the problem:

More Americans would vote for a "Tea Party" candidate than a Republican, according to a Rasmussen poll released Monday that quizzed voters on a hypothetical three-way ballot. Respondents were asked to assume that the "Tea Party" was an organized new party, despite the fact that it is highly unlikely the grassroots conservative movement that has gained momentum this year will become a third party.

A majority of Americans said they would vote Democratic (36 percent), while the number who said they would vote "Tea Party" (23 percent) slightly edged out Republican voters (18 percent). Another 22 percent say they were undecided.

Among voters not affiliated with either party, the Tea Partiers had a clear advantage: 33 percent said they would support a Tea Party candidate, compared with 30 percent who said they were undecided, 25 percent Democrat and only 12 percent Republican.
Rasmussen Poll: Tea Party Beats GOP on Generic Three-Way Ballot -- Politics Daily

So the news for the Democrats and Republicans is not good when you look at pitiful numbers like that, but a third party is more likely to draw from the GOP than the Democrats which could ensure Democrats staying in power into perpetuity.

If by some unfortunate twist of fate liberals retained power, and we got more of what we already have, I could all but guarantee you, that would force another revolution. When people go broke, when they're paying 60-70% of their income in taxes, when unemployment is 20%, when the government is telling them what they can and can't do from the time they're born 'til when and how they die, when America is just another socialist, broke, third world shit hole, the people will revolt. There will be another Civil War. We're damn close to it now.

Hate to break it to you, but certain people opposing the winner in presidential elections have always screamed and yelled and threatened to start a revolution over [ fill in the blank ]. Just because you travel in circles who think like you do, you presume that there are "millions" just like you. Well there are not. So put your guns away and calm down. Another bunch of politicians more to your liking will come along in a few years and have a chance to fuck things up too.

Yes, there are millions just like me. More now than in any other time in history since the last Civil War.

 

[007]

A good honest and mature political discussion/debate is fun. However, the vile, insulting, frothing at the mouth, obama ass kissing zealot liberals here are far from fun. They RUIN every thread they enter. I believe they do this attempting to divert attention away from how utterly pathetic and worthless they really are.

Oh, I'm sorry Pale, did some big bad liberal come and disturb your little pat-yourselves-on-the-back echo chamber thread?

LOL.

Hey Pale, if you want to just hear people who think the same way, and don't argue with your point of view, perhaps you need to move on over to TownHall.com or some other Right-Wing bubble web site.

Here on USMB we actually have different points of view.

You liberals punks can grunt and slobber out whatever pathetic little inane jokes and insipid partisan piles of crap you want. Fact of the matter remains, the current crop of liberal, socialist, marxists in power right now are ruining the country, and whether or not YOU admit it is irrelevant. YOU are part of the problem. The uneducated, quota, welfare check collecting, trailer trash, mouth breathing, idiots of the world. You're no more independent than a worm on a hook, and haven't much more independent thought than that either. You are to be bitch slapped, brushed to the side and told to shut the fuck up. You don't and have never contributed anything worth hearing, or any of your moron liberal friends.

 

[MaggieMae]

Seems like Republicans were the ones throwing money at things, and lowering taxes at the same time.

That's why we have an 11 Trillion dollar national debt.

Let's make this simple. Laffer curve aside (as we passed the level where lowering taxes was good for revenue long ago)...

If you increase spending, and lower taxes, you incur debt. Period.

Democrats, the adults in the room, realize this. So when they spend, they try to fund the spending with taxes.

Republicans are like spoiled little children. They want to spend all the money, but they don't want to pay for it. So they borrow all the money they need, and pass the bill on to the rest of the country to deal with later. Giving us 11 Trillion dollars in debt.

That way, they make the periods where they're in control seem like boom times, and the periods where Democrats are in control are when they demand that the bills be paid.

That's the kinder way of putting what I've said many times: Democrats are always labeled the "Tax-And-Spend-Party," but Republicans are the "Don't-Tax-But-Spend-Anyway Party." I never got a laugh out of that.

 

[MaggieMae]

A good honest and mature political discussion/debate is fun. However, the vile, insulting, frothing at the mouth, obama ass kissing zealot liberals here are far from fun. They RUIN every thread they enter. I believe they do this attempting to divert attention away from how utterly pathetic and worthless they really are.

Oh, I'm sorry Pale, did some big bad liberal come and disturb your little pat-yourselves-on-the-back echo chamber thread?

LOL.

Hey Pale, if you want to just hear people who think the same way, and don't argue with your point of view, perhaps you need to move on over to TownHall.com or some other Right-Wing bubble web site.

Here on USMB we actually have different points of view.

You liberals punks can grunt and slobber out whatever pathetic little inane jokes and insipid partisan piles of crap you want. Fact of the matter remains, the current crop of liberal, socialist, marxists in power right now are ruining the country, and whether or not YOU admit it is irrelevant. YOU are part of the problem. The uneducated, quota, welfare check collecting, trailer trash, mouth breathing, idiots of the world. You're no more independent than a worm on a hook, and haven't much more independent thought than that either. You are to be bitch slapped, brushed to the side and told to shut the fuck up. You don't and have never contributed anything worth hearing, or any of your moron liberal friends.

Ah, there's the Pale Rider we've come to know and love. Must have been smoking some really sweet shit when you posted your OP.

 

[California Girl]

All this 'it's your fault' by Republicans and Democrats is too fucking funny. It's both your parties faults, you stupid partisan assclowns.

Would be a great day if the rest of us turn around and tell you all to shut the fuck up and we'll run the damned country.... and we'll do it right.

 

[MaggieMae]

All this 'it's your fault' by Republicans and Democrats is too fucking funny. It's both your parties faults, you stupid partisan assclowns.

Would be a great day if the rest of us turn around and tell you all to shut the fuck up and we'll run the damned country.... and we'll do it right.

Wouldn't you have to have leaders? Organization? Specialists in charge of all the myriad areas of interest? How soon could you get such a thing going? Next month? Next Year? In the meantime, you would be running around like Keystone Kops, jockeying for position, biting each other's backs, and it would all be available for viewing on YouTube.

Still look like a good idea?

 

[SFC Ollie]

All this 'it's your fault' by Republicans and Democrats is too fucking funny. It's both your parties faults, you stupid partisan assclowns.

Would be a great day if the rest of us turn around and tell you all to shut the fuck up and we'll run the damned country.... and we'll do it right.

Wouldn't you have to have leaders? Organization? Specialists in charge of all the myriad areas of interest? How soon could you get such a thing going? Next month? Next Year? In the meantime, you would be running around like Keystone Kops, jockeying for position, biting each other's backs, and it would all be available for viewing on YouTube.

Still look like a good idea?

The current Administration does not have room to talk, Almost a year now and still a hundred appointed posts unfilled, to include the head of Medicare. Think about it.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

All this 'it's your fault' by Republicans and Democrats is too fucking funny. It's both your parties faults, you stupid partisan assclowns.

Would be a great day if the rest of us turn around and tell you all to shut the fuck up and we'll run the damned country.... and we'll do it right.

now people are speaking my language.

Lets get it on!!!!!!!!!

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

All this 'it's your fault' by Republicans and Democrats is too fucking funny. It's both your parties faults, you stupid partisan assclowns.

Would be a great day if the rest of us turn around and tell you all to shut the fuck up and we'll run the damned country.... and we'll do it right.

Wouldn't you have to have leaders? Organization? Specialists in charge of all the myriad areas of interest? How soon could you get such a thing going? Next month? Next Year? In the meantime, you would be running around like Keystone Kops, jockeying for position, biting each other's backs, and it would all be available for viewing on YouTube.

Still look like a good idea?

Hell no the stuff is in place, we just vote out the muttonheads that all of us americans in both parties have idiodically put into power. We always vote in scumbags, then we realize they suck and re elect them anyway.

Start kicking out all your incumbents and either voting 3rd party or someone totally new to the game. Then after their first term kick them out too.....rinse lather repeat and we control the country again as it was meant to be.

Enough of the dumb shit, lets get it on and kick the bums out.

Hey what's it say up there under my name?

 

[antagon]

Hell no the stuff is in place, we just vote out the muttonheads that all of us americans in both parties have idiodically put into power. We always vote in scumbags, then we realize they suck and re elect them anyway.

Start kicking out all your incumbents and either voting 3rd party or someone totally new to the game. Then after their first term kick them out too.....rinse lather repeat and we control the country again as it was meant to be.

Enough of the dumb shit, lets get it on and kick the bums out.

Hey what's it say up there under my name?

*pondering this bold, 'dont let em get in the groove' theory*