Study: Free birth control leads to fewer abortions; Romney wants to cut access.

Some states allow midwives to dispense IUDs. Implants are even easier to use than an IUD and can dispensed by a trained pharmacist. The only reason the government requires a prescription is that politicians are afraid of the negative impact of making the Pill OTC.

We have NPs doing insertions and removals. You're right about that. I never heard of a pharmacist inserting the norplant.

I don't know enough about body chemistry but we do feature 11 different brands of Oral Contraceptives all with different amounts of hormones (Ortho Cept, Gildess, Micronor, Levlen etc...). It would stand to reason if they were all interchangeable, there would be only one of them being purchased; i.e. we purchase one type of 200mg ibuprofen, one type of 400mg ibuprofen....

The reason there are so many different brands is because the government makes people get a prescription for them. If they were all OTC and had to compete on price and effectiveness you would be buying them the same way you do Ibuprofen, you would simply choose between the does and whether you wanted to pay extra for the brand name Advil.

No; there's different chemicals and different amounts;

Levora (Levlen): ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel
Ortho Cept: desogestrel 0.15 mg / ethinyl estradiol 0.03 mg
Micronor: norethindrone

just off the top of my head. I would imagine the prescription is needed because each hormone reacts differently depending on body chemistry. Mick is for breastfeeding women so I assume it has a quality that makes it inert for nursing children.
 
No; he wants to eliminate Title X funding which will save (according to his website) $300M or the equivalent of about $1 per year per citizen. The stated reason on his website is that it will starve funding for abortion groups.

It's a mystery why he thinks more pregnancies (what you get when you don't use contraception) will lead to less abortions but then again, he's your candidate.

In other words, you are opposed to any attempt to balance the budget.

So in other words, you'll make asinine statement after asinine statement because you have nothing better to do.

We need to cut spending in order to balance the budget. Contraception is a multibillion dollar industry, it won't miss the $300 million in corporate welfare it gets from Title X.
 
We have NPs doing insertions and removals. You're right about that. I never heard of a pharmacist inserting the norplant.

I don't know enough about body chemistry but we do feature 11 different brands of Oral Contraceptives all with different amounts of hormones (Ortho Cept, Gildess, Micronor, Levlen etc...). It would stand to reason if they were all interchangeable, there would be only one of them being purchased; i.e. we purchase one type of 200mg ibuprofen, one type of 400mg ibuprofen....

The reason there are so many different brands is because the government makes people get a prescription for them. If they were all OTC and had to compete on price and effectiveness you would be buying them the same way you do Ibuprofen, you would simply choose between the does and whether you wanted to pay extra for the brand name Advil.

No; there's different chemicals and different amounts;

Levora (Levlen): ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel
Ortho Cept: desogestrel 0.15 mg / ethinyl estradiol 0.03 mg
Micronor: norethindrone

just off the top of my head. I would imagine the prescription is needed because each hormone reacts differently depending on body chemistry. Mick is for breastfeeding women so I assume it has a quality that makes it inert for nursing children.

Yep, and most women get use the first thing the doctor prescribes for their entire lives, yet they have to go back and get a new prescription every year.

Why?
 
The reason there are so many different brands is because the government makes people get a prescription for them. If they were all OTC and had to compete on price and effectiveness you would be buying them the same way you do Ibuprofen, you would simply choose between the does and whether you wanted to pay extra for the brand name Advil.

No; there's different chemicals and different amounts;

Levora (Levlen): ethinyl estradiol and levonorgestrel
Ortho Cept: desogestrel 0.15 mg / ethinyl estradiol 0.03 mg
Micronor: norethindrone

just off the top of my head. I would imagine the prescription is needed because each hormone reacts differently depending on body chemistry. Mick is for breastfeeding women so I assume it has a quality that makes it inert for nursing children.

Yep, and most women get use the first thing the doctor prescribes for their entire lives, yet they have to go back and get a new prescription every year.

Why?

scripts are only good for one year and blood pressure must be kept track of.
 
Incidently, I'll take the word of this wise man on whether our support of Batista was wrong or not.

— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[11]

Funny, you'll take his word when it agrees with your twisted ideology. But you do the exact opposite of his most famous quote ever.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" — U.S. President John F. Kennedy

If he's so "wise", why don't you stop asking what this country can do for you and other parasites, and start asking what all of you can do for the U.S.?
 
You come off as a party hack who is frustrated by Obama being ahead in the polls

The only thing that frustrates me is listening to ignorant people like you and JoeB. spout pure bullshit all day.

I've fucking DESTROYED JoeB. all day today - showed how is own arguments contradict themselves. Yet both of you sit here back pedaling and trying to convince everyone you actually have some kind of point :rofl:

Case in point - here you sit claiming "Obama is ahead in the polls" when he took a legendary ass kicking in November 2010, gave rise to the Tea Party because of his radical marxism, and got humiliated in the most important presidential debate in US history. He's behind in EVERY poll that isn't part of the left-wing propaganda campaign and you know it. Yet here you sit with your bullshit trying to get a rise out of people by claiming things you know to be blatantly false. Just like JoeB. and his claim that Fidel Castro's acknowledgement that centralized planning is an epic failure doesn't mean anything.
 
No, I just realize that good schools, good roads, clean water are more important than rich douchebags having dancing horsies...

  • Fact: We spend more on education now than any point in US history, and we have worse results (so much for your theory on that - like all of your other inaccurate bullshit theories)

  • Fact: We've always had clean water (more JoeB. bullshit)

  • Fact: we've always had "good roads" (more JoeB. bullshit)
I just realized, the "B" in JoeB. stands for bullshit. Joe Bullshit. He's FULL of it!


Fact- We don't spend enough on education. NOw, I would agree with you that what we do spend is spent badly, and there is serious need for reform in a lot of areas. But a large part of the problem is how big corporations have corrupted the process. For instance, because the State of Texas is the biggest purchaser of textbooks, they dumb down the textbooks so Texas will buy them.

Also, we spend less per student than we did 30 years go, adjusted for inflation.

Fact- Obviously, you never heard of the Cayahuga River. When I was a kid, it used to catch on fire on a regular basis. The Chicago river used to be so polluted that it became a joke when Boss Daley talked about some day fishing in it. But then that radical commie, socialist bastard Richard Nixon (no, really) came along and established the EPA and started work on cleaning that stuff up.

Fact- We used to have really crappy roads before another "Communist" named Dwight D. Eisenhower looked at the German Autobahns and realized how inadequate our roads were. Now while there were some military considerations in his plan (Need for possible mass evacuations of cities, Need to move military units across the country quickly), the economic benefits were also there for people to see, and the private sector never would have taken such an undertaking on its own.

Sadly, because now our priorities are on Dancing Horsies for Mitt's Ugly Wife, we have roads that are crumbling pretty badly. That's not from me, that's from the ASCE.

America's infrastructure crumbling, says American Society of Civil Engineers

Fact: you have the education of the average 6 year old. You've misspelled so many words by such a tragic margin (go back through your posts and figure out how to spell INCIDENTALLY) that nobody can take you serious.

Fact: It's spelled Cuyahoga river (NOT "Cayahuga" river you ignorant wretch).

Fact: The water we drink NEVER came untreated from the CUYAHOGA river stupid. Our drinking water is 100% clean and always has been and you fucking know it. We have CLEAN WATER. Nobody is getting violently ill from American drinking water and (again) you fucking know it.

Fact: We spend more on education now than we have at any point in history, and we're getting worse results than ever (as evidenced by your atrocious spelling). No amount of lies on your part will change this.

Fact: We've NEVER had bad roads in the U.S.

Fact: You hate everyone who has wealth and success because you have not been able to achieve either (and based on your spelling, it's a fucking wonder :rofl:)
 
Incidently, I'll take the word of this wise man on whether our support of Batista was wrong or not.

— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[11]

Funny, you'll take his word when it agrees with your twisted ideology. But you do the exact opposite of his most famous quote ever.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" — U.S. President John F. Kennedy

If he's so "wise", why don't you stop asking what this country can do for you and other parasites, and start asking what all of you can do for the U.S.?

Only parasites I see are the wealthy sucking the life out of the middle class..
 
Well, she's not self-sufficient if she's lost her insurance and job and has to go to the Church food pantry for food.

Actually, that's the very definition of self-sufficient, stupid. She's not being a burden to ANYONE. She's not living off of the government or demand that other's pay her way as you and the other parasites do.

The food at a church pantry is there by the good heart of people, not by force, and is there for people to utilize as their needs require. She's not being a drain on society in ANY capacity under this scenario. Once again, you defeat your own argument.
 
Incidently, I'll take the word of this wise man on whether our support of Batista was wrong or not.

— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[11]

Funny, you'll take his word when it agrees with your twisted ideology. But you do the exact opposite of his most famous quote ever.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" — U.S. President John F. Kennedy

If he's so "wise", why don't you stop asking what this country can do for you and other parasites, and start asking what all of you can do for the U.S.?

Only parasites I see are the wealthy sucking the life out of the middle class..

First of all, your avoiding the issue again. You love Kennedy, he flat out told people like you to stop being parasites to this country, and start doing something for it. Why aren't you listening to your hero?

Second, because of our freedoms that you are trying to take, the wealthy CAN'T do anything to the middle class. So your post, as always, is just the incoherent ramblings of an uneducated mad man.
 
Fact: you have the education of the average 6 year old. You've misspelled so many words by such a tragic margin (go back through your posts and figure out how to spell INCIDENTALLY) that nobody can take you serious.

Whining about typos... always the sign a guy has lost an argument right after big fonts.


Fact: It's spelled Cuyahoga river (NOT "Cayahuga" river you ignorant wretch).

Fact: The water we drink NEVER came untreated from the CUYAHOGA river stupid. Our drinking water is 100% clean and always has been and you fucking know it. We have CLEAN WATER. Nobody is getting violently ill from American drinking water and (again) you fucking know it.

Go back and read my argument. I said "clean water" not "clean drinking water". Although that's important too, and wouldn't happen without government sanctioned water filtration systems.

I think rivers that caught on fire were really an indication of a problem, dumbass. So did Dick Nixon.


Fact: We spend more on education now than we have at any point in history, and we're getting worse results than ever (as evidenced by your atrocious spelling). No amount of lies on your part will change this.

Guy, again, I make money off my writing... just because I don't waste time spellchecking for you doesn't make a difference.

And I was a product of Catholic education, so if your argument was correct, that deflates the argument for school choice.


Fact: We've NEVER had bad roads in the U.S.

ASCE disagrees with you. So did Presdient Ike. Our roads are falling apart, and it will take trillions to fix them all.

Fact: You hate everyone who has wealth and success because you have not been able to achieve either (and based on your spelling, it's a fucking wonder :rofl:)

Actually, I make money off my writing... thanks for asking, though.

Incidently, I'm very successful at everything I've tried professionally. Wealth isn't something I care about.

I hate the wealthy because they are ruining the country for the rest of us...
 
First of all, your avoiding the issue again. You love Kennedy, he flat out told people like you to stop being parasites to this country, and start doing something for it. Why aren't you listening to your hero?

Second, because of our freedoms that you are trying to take, the wealthy CAN'T do anything to the middle class. So your post, as always, is just the incoherent ramblings of an uneducated mad man.

Other than what the military paid me for serviing my country, I don't take any money from the government... so maybe learning what you are talking about would be a good place to start.

Incidently, JFK's comments were just as much directed towards the rich as the poor.. and he proceeded to found organizations like the Peace Corps and other large government programs to give back to the poor. So another argument you've lost.
 
... with every generation.

Now the RW has come up with the perfect recipe for making the movie "Idiocracy" a reality sooner, rather than later:

First, make sure that only rich and/or intelligent women can afford birth control and consider it important enough to purchase.

That will insure that most babies are born of poor and stupid women into poor and uneducated households.

Second, make sure that abortion is 100% illegal. That will ensure that stupid women who might have money to afford abortions of their unwanted pregnancies are forced nevertheless to bear their children.

The result, after a few generations of politicized "natural" selection for stupidity and poverty?

Well, you can figure that out. :cool:

-- Paravani
 
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... with every generation.

Now the RW has come up with the perfect recipe for making the movie "Idiocracy" a reality sooner, rather than later:

First, make sure that only rich and/or intelligent women can afford birth control and consider it important enough to purchase.

That will insure that most babies are born of poor and stupid women into poor and uneducated households.

Second, make sure that abortion is 100% illegal. That will ensure that stupid women who might have money to afford abortions of their unwanted pregnancies are forced nevertheless to bear their children.

The result, after a few generations of politicized "natural" selection for stupidity and poverty?

Well, you can figure that out. :cool:

-- Paravani

Why not be honest and call for the government to sterilize everyone who you disapprove of?
 
once again for the terminally stupid...

The rate of unintended pregnancies has gone UP, not DOWN, since the legalization of abortion and the increased availability of birth control for the masses.

UP. Not DOWN.

So please quit pretending that it's the exact opposite.
 
FACT: There is no such thing as "free" birth control other than you being too ugly to find a mate. Nothing in life is free, certainly not birth control, the Tax Payers actually have to pay for it and we're getting sick and tired of paying for other people's crap.

I agree; free is wrong. But it should be included in the prescription drug program.

As for "sick and tired of paying for other people's crap"; are you sick of paying for prisons that are overcrowded?


Yup, sure am. We have too many non-violent criminals serving time in max security prisons for bs drug charges and other 3 strike non-violent offenses. These people should be working off their debt to society by doing community service work or some other form of punishment and restitution, rather than locking them up for 20yrs with violent predators. We also have too many people that have shown they cannot live in a free society by the fact they have sheets that include multiple violent felonies starting at as young teens. These people should be executed after their 2nd violent felony. We have too many child molestors doing their avg. 4yrs in prison even though it's a proven fact that child predators cannot be rehabilitated. These people should also be executed. By executing all offenders that have committed multiple violent crimes, by executing violent rapists and child predators and by making alternative sentencing for non-violent offenders the norm, we would clear out over 50% of our prison population, saving us untold trillions of dollars.
 
I could never understand conservative opposition to abortion and then fighting every possible program that would reduce the need for an abortion

No, of course you wouldn't understand it. It's all based upon our belief in personal responsibilty, and you, being an entitlement minded, nannny state, liberal can never understand that concept.
 
... with every generation.

Now the RW has come up with the perfect recipe for making the movie "Idiocracy" a reality sooner, rather than later:

First, make sure that only rich and/or intelligent women can afford birth control and consider it important enough to purchase.

That will insure that most babies are born of poor and stupid women into poor and uneducated households.

Second, make sure that abortion is 100% illegal. That will ensure that stupid women who might have money to afford abortions of their unwanted pregnancies are forced nevertheless to bear their children.

The result, after a few generations of politicized "natural" selection for stupidity and poverty?


Well, you can figure that out. :cool:

-- Paravani

Coo coo, Coo coo, Coo coo.
 
I don't think mandatory sentencing is a good thing...it removes the ability of the courts to apply common sense to sentencing or to take into consideration all circumstances.
I'm also not for applying the death sentence liberally...actually, I can't support the death penalty at all but to kill people for any violent felony instead of just capital murder...that's just as insane if not more insane than throwing 3x drug felons into jail for life.
 

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