Steven Spielberg's movie about Lincoln is pure bullshit !!!!!!!

[JakeStarkey]

You have no knowledge on the subject, as this thread clearly proves.

Move along, sonny.

Conty clearly does not comprehend Lincoln, the times, or the Civil War.

That's OK, because his agenda has nothing to do with history but rather his desired future.

You've already established your thorough ignorance on those subjects.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bripat and so many of the far right simply cannot critically think while handling the evidence.

Shoot, ask bigrebnc to trot all of the evidence about Hitler and his supposed socialism. biggie shoots himself in the ass every time.

 

[Toro]

Suspended habeas corpus, jailed political dissidents. Dude was a tyrant.

The Constitution grants a president those powers.

No it doesn't. It grants Congress those powers.

Lincoln was a dictator. He's right up there with Stalin and Hitler. In fact, both men learned a lot from Lincoln.

hahahahahahaha

 

[JakeStarkey]

bripat has far more in common with Htiler and this thugs than he does with American and its values.

 

[regent]

Lincoln bent the constitution, no question, but many presidents have bent the constitution, and as Lincoln said this was a military emergency. Lincoln was also insistent that the Thirteenth Amendment be added to the constitution, in fact, the Republican platform for his 1864 reelection had a demand for the constitutional amendment.

 

[elvis]

Suspended habeas corpus, jailed political dissidents. Dude was a tyrant.

The Constitution grants a president those powers.

No it doesn't. It grants Congress those powers.

Lincoln was a dictator. He's right up there with Stalin and Hitler. In fact, both men learned a lot from Lincoln.

Most ignorant statement of the year. You make Truthmatters sound brilliant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bripat makes koshergrl sound brilliant.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Historians praise its accuracy, but if you say it's pure BS, they must all be wrong.

William Lloyd Garrison (December 10, 1805 – May 24, 1879) was a prominent American abolitionist, journalist, and social reformer. He is best known as the editor of the abolitionist newspaper The Liberator, and was one of the founders of the American Anti-Slavery Society. He promoted "immediate emancipation" of slaves in the United States."

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And today there are those who demand immediate freedom to same sex couples to marry. The lesson is obvious, is it not? The battle for freedom will always be fought against bigoted assholes who demand the freedom to suppress others.

 

[Political Junky]

I saw the movie today, and it was perfect. Great performances by all. Lots of Oscars are going to that film.

 

[elvis]

I saw the movie today, and it was perfect. Great performances by all. Lots of Oscars are going to that film.

It was far from perfect. Great jobs by Lewis, Field, and Jones, though.

 

[The Infidel]

Historians praise its accuracy, but if you say it's pure BS, they must all be wrong.

Which historians?

Contumacious ..... he has his bona fides

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only wack libertarians or far righty extremists will have problem with the movie. History is different for them, all seven of them.

 

[gipper]

The Constitution grants a president those powers.

No it doesn't. It grants Congress those powers.

Lincoln was a dictator. He's right up there with Stalin and Hitler. In fact, both men learned a lot from Lincoln.

Most ignorant statement of the year. You make Truthmatters sound brilliant.

Lincoln was a traitor and a tyrant. He chose to war on Americans merely to impose his will.

The constitution clearly outlines what a traitor is. Lincoln fits the definition perfectly.

This from Dishonest Abe's first inaugural address.

I therefore consider that in view of the Constitution and the laws the Union is unbroken, and to the extent of my ability, I shall take care, as the Constitution itself expressly enjoins upon me, that the laws of the Union be faithfully executed in all the States. Doing this I deem to be only a simple duty on my part, and I shall perform it so far as practicable unless my rightful masters, the American people, shall withhold the requisite means or in some authoritative manner direct the contrary. I trust this will not be regarded as a menace, but only as the declared purpose of the Union that it will constitutionally defend and maintain itself.
In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.
Abraham Lincoln: First Inaugural Address. U.S. Inaugural Addresses. 1989

It is easy for those of us capable of reason, that this statement clearly reveals his intentions to commit war upon fellow Americans, should they refuse the national authority of collecting tariffs.

All Americans should vilify Lincoln...not venerate him.

But like the great comedian said, "You can't fix stupid."

 

[Katzndogz]

If revisionist historians praise its accuracy, it can't be accurate.

Lincoln didn't care whether slavery ended or not. He wanted to use ending slavery to punish the south for seceeding. What he really wanted was to round up all the black people and send them back to Africa. He was a member of the American Colonization Society, he was not an abolitionist. Does the movie contain this? Does it cover his efforts to remove black people from America down to the last one? As it was, he removed hundreds and sent them to the newly created country of Liberia. Created for the purpose of receiving the displaced former slaves.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Katz is another myth believer instead of one who knows the narrative.

If revisionist historians praise its accuracy, it can't be accurate.

Lincoln didn't care whether slavery ended or not. He wanted to use ending slavery to punish the south for seceeding. What he really wanted was to round up all the black people and send them back to Africa. He was a member of the American Colonization Society, he was not an abolitionist. Does the movie contain this? Does it cover his efforts to remove black people from America down to the last one? As it was, he removed hundreds and sent them to the newly created country of Liberia. Created for the purpose of receiving the displaced former slaves.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

One of the biggest lies in history is the idea that the CW was fought to free the slaves. How can that possibly be true when there were 4 northern states that allowed slavery during the entire war and when General US Grant was a slave owner during the war and so to Lincoln's second vice president Andrew Johnson.?

They create a history that suits their narrative, the truth be damned.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The North went to war to preserve the Union, the South to own humans.

By the middle of 1862, Lincoln realized to save the Union he would have to end slavery.

He was, thank heavens, ruthless about it.

 

[MHunterB]

Thomas DiLorenzo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See also: Lincoln Unmasked and The Real Lincoln

DiLorenzo has devoted much effort to historical revisionism, focusing on what he has been called "the myth of Lincoln" as a political and historical phenomenon. He said, "Lincoln is on record time after time rejecting the idea of racial equality. But whenever anyone brings this up, the Lincoln partisans go to the extreme to smear the bearer of bad news." [5] In the same vein, DiLorenzo has spoken out in favor of the secession of the Confederate States of America, defending the right of these states to secede in a view similar to that of abolitionist Lysander Spooner.[6] He has also criticized the crediting of the New Deal for ending the Great Depression.[7]

In 2002, DiLorenzo debated Harry V. Jaffa on the merits of Abraham Lincoln's statesmanship prior to and during the civil war.

DiLorenzo is a frequent speaker at von Mises Institute events, and offers several online courses on political subjects on the Mises Academy platform.[3]

He was formerly an affiliated lecturer of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the pro-secession League of the South[8] He has denied any lasting affiliation, noting that he only gave a few lectures there shortly after its founding.[9][10]

The Southern Poverty Law Center considers DiLorenzo one of the most important intellectuals "who form the core of the modern neo-Confederate movement." They believe DiLorenzo's depiction of president Abraham Lincoln paints Lincoln as a "paragon of wickedness, a man secretly intent on destroying states' rights and building a massive federal government."[11]


Uh-Huh. 'Nuff Said.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Lincoln was a man committed to the economic opportunity for the white working classes and the continuation of slavery only in the Old South. His understanding of racial matters evolved over time far in advance of most white Americans by his death, only surpassed by the few true civil rights believes among the Radical Republicans.

 

[Jroc]

The North went to war to preserve the Union, the South to own humans.

By the middle of 1862, Lincoln realized to save the Union he would have to end slavery.

He was, thank heavens, ruthless about it.

Lincoln spoke out against slavery well before 1862 genus

"What I do say is, that no man is good enough to govern another man, without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle - the sheet anchor of American republicanism." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Speech at Peoria, Illinois" (October 16, 1854), p. 266.

"In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Letter to Joshua F. Speed" (August 24, 1855), p. 320.

I think slavery is wrong, morally, and politically. I desire that it should be no further spread in these United States, and I should not object if it should gradually terminate in the whole Union." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Speech at Cincinnati, Ohio" (September 17, 1859), p. 440.

"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, (August 1, 1858?), p. 532.

So plain that no one, high or low, ever does mistake it, except in a plainly selfish way; for although volume upon volume is written to prove slavery a very good thing, we never hear of the man who wishes to take the good of it, by being a slave himself." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Fragment on Slavery" (April 1, 1854?), p. 222.

Abraham Lincoln Quotes About Slavery (Including Sources)